LOL, Who heard Tebow say God Bless??

[RogueScholar]

Archie, that was a beautiful piece you just wrote. My little cousin is in the middle of Catechism, and I, as the "book-learned" one in the family, often find myself fielding the tough questions. You just gave a little boost in the faith department to me, as I found my answers to her lacking the conviction that you were able to convey with just your written words.

I think God will bless you, Archie, for sharing your thoughts in such an unassailable manner with a community like SBR, that is so desperately in need of salvation.

[bettilimbroke999]

It is a southern Christian thing maybe. I hear it every now and then when someone gives a speech and was taught to pray that way as a kid, blessing people I know in the name of God.

As a Christian I loved the John 3:16 under his eyes. His family really is a great testament. Selling everything they own to go on mission work in the Phillipines. God bless the Tebows.

I have prayed for everyone here at SBR in the past and will in the future.

I've been gettin barrelled in last couple months, pray harder!

[bettilimbroke999]

Chi get off the pipe, do you think god bestowed his favor on Pacman, Vick, Burress b/c they lived a clean life, fuk no they're rich b/c genetically they are more athletic animals

People are created by two animals nuttin inside one another, god has nothin to do with it, if ur pop didnt jizz inside ur mom you wouldnt be here, quit wasting ur time believing that garbage, there is no god, send some AIDS orphans in Africa 10% of your money instead of your 20 story church and your effort to "do good" and live a "clean life" might actually amount to something

[Chi_archie]

BET, never did I say I believed anything..... I'm giving an alternate point of view here... amazes me how defensive people get about others' opinions.....


you proved my point.....

Pacman, Vick, Burress these guys have the most incredible talent... but would you trade positions with them? they are all in jail, or facing jail... they WASTED their awesome animal/athletic abilities.

They could have been and could BE so much more..

the point of my post was, that whether you agree with what Tim Tebow beleives or not.... HIS BELIEFS/LIFESTYLE MADE HIM BETTER.

compare Tebow's athletic talent to Vick's.... its not even close.. Vick would kill him in anything test, skill, ping pong game ect..

when all is said and done I bet ya when these two guys are 80 years old... Tebow will look back on a happy and satisfied life... Vick will be drinking a 40 (if he is alive) and saying what if.....and regretting some bad decisions in his life...

Tebow could pray to a pile or dog crap for all I care... but if his belief in that dog crap kept him away from drugs, drinking, ect...and gave him the faith to beleive all his hard hard work would pay off then I say in the long run that pile of crap blessed him and had favor upon him..... (think outside the box here no the way most people/christians say Bless).....

He was blessed because somthing inside of him that believed... kept him away from evil and drew him towards good, and In my opinion no doubt led to him having success..


doesn't mean that tomorrow or next year or in ten years we don't hear about tebow getting caught up in some male prostitute scandal... your faith is only as good as it is that day. And if he slips from what he believes in he may end up in a scandal or he may end up a greedy mult-millionare who knows... but for yesterday...... I feel his blind faith got him to where he was, and helped him accomplish what he did

[Chi_archie]

Chi get off the pipe, do you think god bestowed his favor on Pacman, Vick, Burress b/c they lived a clean life, fuk no they're rich b/c genetically they are more athletic animals

People are created by two animals nuttin inside one another, god has nothin to do with it, if ur pop didnt jizz inside ur mom you wouldnt be here, quit wasting ur time believing that garbage, there is no god, send some AIDS orphans in Africa 10% of your money instead of your 20 story church and your effort to "do good" and live a "clean life" might actually amount to something

oh didn't notice this earlier... I don't send my money anywhere.... I save it and actually travel to places like Africa to help in sustainable indigenous leadership development...

The only time I send my money anywhere is for micro-loans to 3rd world entrepreneurs (farmers who need to buy tools, who then give the money back and it gets lent to a women to buy knitting tools, who pays the money back, which gets lent to a family to buy livestock, and so on and so forth)

I've never been inside of a 20 story church... I don't live in Dallas... I hate mega-churches, i hate 99% of Christians and what they stand for... so don't be so quick to pigeon hole me... I'm a little more complex then your average person who can only see things in black and white.... and jumps to conclusions lumping all sorts of people groups together in bigotry

[bettilimbroke999]

Well that's good Chi, least ur donations are doin somethin, I have to say though the reason Vick, Burress etc. are screwed up is b/c they broke the laws of man, had nothing to do with God, also the Bible does not condemn speeding, illegal parking, the kinds of things that the laws of man do fine you for, you're not living an unclean life if you drive fast, I think its easy for ppl who believe just about anything on blind faith to attach some sort of religious significance to every minor/major success/failure in their life or the lives of others when in reality there is no connection, if you were born in MidEast youd believe blowin up planes would get you 80 virgins here in the US you believe accept JC as your savior then he'll meet you after you die and set you up in heaven for eternity, gullible ppl exist in every part of the world thats why there are so many religions, most ppl require no evidence they simply believe 100% whatever the majority believe

[pavyracer]

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right, God loves all players and people the same.. God doesn't care about one team vs another, or one sport vs another..


but if you believe in God, then you would say that God "Blesses" those who follow his precepts.... not like a benevolent old man up in heaven giving treats/rewards to those who did somthing good....

but in a more indirect way... For example young men/women that do not have sex until marriage will never have to worry about STD's or unwanted pregnancy before being married... a small blessing (with a huge sacrifice)

USE CONDOMS. **** WHEN YOU WANT NOT WHEN GOD TELLS YOU IS RIGHT.

If you follow the Bible's instruction to follow all laws of the land put in place by governmental authorities, then you will never worry about getting a speeding ticket, or parking ticket ect.

THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN BY THE JEWS. I WILL NEVER OBEY A BOOK WRITTEN BY BIGOTS.

I think that by Tebow living a clean life, his faith has indirectly and directly allowed him to reach ALL of his full potential in every area...body, mind, spirit, ect. had he been a juvenile delinquent he may never have reached his full potential. Tebow's life style allowed him to be as good as he is. So indirectly God bestowed his "favor" upon him and Tebow/FL benefitted.

TEBOW IS GOOD BECAUSE HE IS SMART, ATHLETIC AND HARD WORKING. GOD HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS FOOTBALL SKILLS.

not saying that bad people aren't great athletes... the obviously are. But my point is maybe they would have been better had they not had so much baggage ect. how good could Michael Vick had been if he wasn't all caught up in junk outside of football.

VICK IS A DOUCHE AND GOD HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS ACTIONS. IF GOD LIKED HIM HE WOULDN'T HAVE SEND HIM TO PRISON.

[Chi_archie]

missing the point... the point of my posts wasn't to say that if you believe in God everyone will do better, or to argue if God exists, the validity of the Bible

my point was Tebow's faith in somthing, anything (it happens to be a triune God in this case) has kept him from getting in trouble, and his faith has informed most of his decisions... and that has turned out good for him..

If i'm a coach, and Tebow is on my team I'd be very happy for his faith, as it keeps him out of trouble... that's Tebows perception and that's Tebows reality.


In many other cases, people's faiths have prob messed them up in sports and in other walks of life.. ect... my only point here is...
That in TEBOW'S MIND, God has blessed him because for the most part Tebow has strived to live a life of obedience to HIS GOD that he believes would honor HIS GOD and as a result has reaped the benefits of a body not abused by drugs, drinking, partying, ect... he is not worried about some new story breaking the day before a big game of how someone got pictures of him having sex with a prostitute.... or how his friends shot up a strip club... his life has less of this baggage... He has been able to focus and finds a meaning/purpose in his play/practice beyond fame, girls, and $

again the post isn't about whether God exists, or if he blesses or not..... Tebow could believe all the same biblical principles but ascribe them to a star trek character who he considers God.... and if it kept him from having a corrupt character then more power to him... don't know why people get so offended by his belief system...

people talk about their BS...(belief systems) here all the time... and even being athiest or agnostic is a belief system... Tebow doesn't tell anyone they are right nor wrong... he just shares his beliefs.... people here, wanted either jam some Christian stuff down your throat and condemn you to hell... or call anyone that believes in anything...an idiot....

Maybe there is room to not feel compelled to make fun of another's beliefs and argue them out of their position..... Believe or not Believe in whatever you want... Its your choice and i'll respect everyone's faith as long as it doesn't interfer with others' freedom, rights, pursuit of happiness

[bettilimbroke999]

Faith in God brought down the planes on 9/11, why doesn't religion ever get blamed when crazy shit goes on as a result, if it wasn't for this Muslim religion their wouldnt be so many suicide bombers, what about the great corruption that led to the Protestant reformation, what about the Inquisition, every single time ppl who believe in a religion bring it up is when something good happens, it must be religion, what about atheists like Ted Turner or Bill Gates that make billions do I get on here and say its b/c they dont believe in God that their so successful, hell no it's b/c they worked hard and made a success of themselves, if Tebow was 5'6 and a 130 would he be the starting QB for FL just b/c hes a nice guy, c'mon Chi get real, he's starting QB b/c hes large and fast, religion is as bad as drugs, put down the pipe and open your eyes

[Chi_archie]

still missing the point

[Mac4Lyfe]

Tebow turned Gatorade into wine...

[bettilimbroke999]

still missing the point

You said point was if you believe in God youd do better, I gave you contrary examples of both times believing in God caused destruction and those that believe there is no god being highly successful, your point should be you'll be more deluded if you believe there is a God and thus can thank god for every good thing in ur life and just say the bad things were god takin a lunch break, when meanwhile the good things were a result of either good luck/good decisions and the bad things were the result of bad luck/bad decisions, maybe Vick, Burress are christians, there's a high probability that they are since 80% of the US are christians, they ruined their lives b/c they did criminal things, not b/c they are/aren't christian

[pavyracer]

You don't have to believe in God to succeed. Atheists are the most successful people in the world. You never read in the newspaper that an atheist lost money or an atheist got sick. Most failures and sickness occurs amongst religious people.

[Chi_archie]

missing the point... the point of my posts wasn't to say that if you believe in God everyone will do better, or to argue if God exists, the validity of the Bible

my point was Tebow's faith in somthing, anything (it happens to be a triune God in this case) has kept him from getting in trouble, and his faith has informed most of his decisions... and that has turned out good for him..

If i'm a coach, and Tebow is on my team I'd be very happy for his faith, as it keeps him out of trouble... that's Tebows perception and that's Tebows reality.


In many other cases, people's faiths have prob messed them up in sports and in other walks of life.. ect... my only point here is...
That in TEBOW'S MIND, God has blessed him because for the most part Tebow has strived to live a life of obedience to HIS GOD that he believes would honor HIS GOD and as a result has reaped the benefits of a body not abused by drugs, drinking, partying, ect... he is not worried about some new story breaking the day before a big game of how someone got pictures of him having sex with a prostitute.... or how his friends shot up a strip club... his life has less of this baggage... He has been able to focus and finds a meaning/purpose in his play/practice beyond fame, girls, and $

again the post isn't about whether God exists, or if he blesses or not..... Tebow could believe all the same biblical principles but ascribe them to a star trek character who he considers God.... and if it kept him from having a corrupt character then more power to him... don't know why people get so offended by his belief system...

people talk about their BS...(belief systems) here all the time... and even being athiest or agnostic is a belief system... Tebow doesn't tell anyone they are right nor wrong... he just shares his beliefs.... people here, wanted either jam some Christian stuff down your throat and condemn you to hell... or call anyone that believes in anything...an idiot....

Maybe there is room to not feel compelled to make fun of another's beliefs and argue them out of their position..... Believe or not Believe in whatever you want... Its your choice and i'll respect everyone's faith as long as it doesn't interfer with others' freedom, rights, pursuit of happiness

I'm only saying that Tim Tebow with HIS faith is prob better on the football field then a Tim Tebow that drinks, smokes, tokes, has sexual addictions, ect.

this is why you guys keep missing the point... y'all are talking macro topics throughout world history... I'm saying good for Tim Tebow, his faith seems real, and for him that has been working. Maybe if he was a complete Ass-hole and doing drugs he'd be better... but in my opinion he wouldn't and his clean lifestyle/work ethic and keeping a level head is a direct result of his belief system.. i don't have to agree with his belief system nor agree with millions of horrible Christians throughout history to make that statement..

I find it too hard to lump all populations/ethnicities/creeds into black and white categorical assumptions


if you wanna talk religion and the validity of various beliefs and the good/bad things that have come from it in the world..we can start another thread.

My point here is....

Tim Tebow + his faith> Tim Tebow +crime+detrimental habits

when it comes to his performance on the field


doesn't matter what it is he believes in.. pile of shit, like I said way way back... God, allah,buddha, Sun Go ect..

doesn't matter if millions of people have done despicable acts in the names of those dieties or religions.. that is another discussion.

[Chi_archie]

You said point was if you believe in God youd do better, I gave you contrary examples of both times believing in God caused destruction and those that believe there is no god being highly successful, your point should be you'll be more deluded if you believe there is a God and thus can thank god for every good thing in ur life and just say the bad things were god takin a lunch break, when meanwhile the good things were a result of either good luck/good decisions and the bad things were the result of bad luck/bad decisions, maybe Vick, Burress are christians, there's a high probability that they are since 80% of the US are christians, they ruined their lives b/c they did criminal things, not b/c they are/aren't christian

I can't even count how many erroneous assumptions you've made about me... and how many eronneous words you put into my mouth in this paragraph..

[bettilimbroke999]

Yes Tebow not becoming a crackhead and fukin a whore with AIDS has benefited him I agree, good point, if his belief in God is the only thing that keeps him from becoming a criminal/crackhead and rawdoggin whores with AIDS then I feel sorry for him