Why are the Steelers so badly overrated?

[fiveteamer]

Also, he drinks like a champion.

New avatar, called it. SHOTGUN!

[element1286]

Also, he drinks like a champion.

New avatar, called it. SHOTGUN!

Haha, great picture. Kind of old though.

[EBDOG]

I live in pittsburgh and im not so sure about this game if the steelers win it will be becasue of their defense the offensive line IS that bad. Darnell Stapleton i mean cmon they are all big and cant move for down the field blocks or runs to the outside. They may beat the chargers but they most likely will be done in the next round. Only thing we can hope for is the fix being on our side.

[slacker00]

Big Ben is the weakness in Pitt, he is just not a real talented QB

I've never read a stronger statement of endorsement towards the Steelers this season. If Ben is their weakness, they are in good shape.

Of the QBs left in the playoffs, where do you put Ben? Eli Manning, Donovan McNabb, Kurt Warner, Jake Delhomme, Kerry Collins, Joe Flacco, Ben Rotlisberger, Phillip Rivers. He's no worse than 4th on any list of those 8 QBs.

[Chi_archie]

I've never read a stronger statement of endorsement towards the Steelers this season. If Ben is their weakness, they are in good shape.

Of the QBs left in the playoffs, where do you put Ben? Eli Manning, Donovan McNabb, Kurt Warner, Jake Delhomme, Kerry Collins, Joe Flacco, Ben Rotlisberger, Phillip Rivers. He's no worse than 4th on any list of those 8 QBs.

good catch...

but running game is no doubt worse then Big Ben's passing game..

an running game's probs stem from o-line and most of the games big ben struggled in stem from line letting too many D-line eat Ben's lunch all day long.

So we can agree the o-line is the prob...

on sunday, can the Defense hold this SD team to 10-17 points again? if not do you trust Ben to be able to make quick decisions in the midst of pressure, and engineer a drive when a td is needed

[poetwarrior41]

They are the Baltimore of old.

Great defense, incompetent head coach, and no offense. Their offensive line is also the worst in the league.

Their QB holds the ball far too long, and just because he'll occasionally scramble and make a big play, and because his running game won him a SuperBowl he's regarded as some kind of "great QB". He's average with flashes of being above average, but still very much average.

Incompetent Head Coach? Are you sniffing glue again Lazy Lou? Mike Tomlin is one of the best coaches in the league, and i can almost guarantee you he will be there for the next 10 years. This guy gets it, he motivates his players and they play hard for him. As a Charger fan, i would kill to have a guy like Tomlin coaching my team.

Roethlisberger has been brilliant in some games and made horrible decisions in others, but he makes plays when he counts. I own futures on the Chargers at 12-1 and the Ravens at 15-1, and the Steelers are the only team that scares me.
Chargers 23
Steelers 19

[SBR Lou]

Incompetent Head Coach?

,he motivates his players

Mike Tomlin's idea of motivating his players is telling them to "hit the other team in the mouth".

He's a players coach, I'll concede that, but that doesn't make him Championship caliber. The guy plays checkers when he should be playing chess.

He pats guys on the tail for committing personal fouls, he's feeble minded but pretty good at playing the hand he has.

[Chi_archie]

Incompetent Head Coach? Are you sniffing glue again Lazy Lou? Mike Tomlin is one of the best coaches in the league, and i can almost guarantee you he will be there for the next 10 years. This guy gets it, he motivates his players and they play hard for him. As a Charger fan, i would kill to have a guy like Tomlin coaching my team.

Roethlisberger has been brilliant in some games and made horrible decisions in others, but he makes plays when he counts. I own futures on the Chargers at 12-1 and the Ravens at 15-1, and the Steelers are the only team that scares me.
Chargers 23
Steelers 19

He might be there 10+ years, but not because he is brilliant...

Steelers had their worst draft in my lifetime under Tomlin (isn't all his fault).... his personel is getting old or becoming free agents... he better have a better draft and keep his defensive coordinator

[Bread]

Nobody talks about Omar Epps like that.

[G's pks]

Pitt plays some great d.... I like them here...probably ML though...

[element1286]

He might be there 10+ years, but not because he is brilliant...

Steelers had their worst draft in my lifetime under Tomlin (isn't all his fault).... his personel is getting old or becoming free agents... he better have a better draft and keep his defensive coordinator

Well, Colbert does run the draft, but I'm sure Tomlin has input. But just because no one stepped in and played this year doesn't mean it is a bad draft. Woodley and Timmons did next nothing last year, and this year are integral parts of the best defense in the league.

Mendenhall would have played significant time, but got injured.

[element1286]

Mike Tomlin's idea of motivating his players is telling them to "hit the other team in the mouth".

He's a players coach, I'll concede that, but that doesn't make him Championship caliber. The guy plays checkers when he should be playing chess.

He pats guys on the tail for committing personal fouls, he's feeble minded but pretty good at playing the hand he has.

I don't even know what this means.

[Dark Horse]

Big Ben off a concussion. This one is over after one hard sack. Steelers O-line will be so afraid to have him sacked that they'll rack up even more penalties than last time these teams met. The only goal line Ben will be sniffing is his own. By the time Leftwich comes in to clean up the mess the Chargers have all their backups in.

[Shortstop]

Also, he drinks like a champion.

New avatar, called it. SHOTGUN!

I know her.

[Robyn]

Well that is indeed a nice price, but I think you would've been better served buying Robyn a nice gift with that cash, because the only gift I'm buying her is a nice box of getmeanotherbeerwoman!!!

Wow.

[fishsteel]

They're also in a much more realistic position to do the same again. They are better than Pittsburgh in just about every way- coaching, defense (gasps- yes, their playmakers are far more talented), offensive line, Quarterback, etc.

Your right, they are better in every phase of the game. I guess that's why they are 0-2 against them.

Go back and smoke another bowl.

lol

[fishsteel]

The Chargers are playing like a team and have essentially been playing in elimination games the past month.

The Colts had them on the ropes and failed to close it out, 3rd and 2 with 2:00 left and SD having no timeouts, it's ball game over with a new set of downs.

Nonetheless, San Diego is playing inspired football on both sides of the ball and I fail to see Pittsburgh matching them tit for tat if San Diego can establish some balance offensively.

I forgot, San Diego also has the best coach in the league, Norv Turner, he might be the best football coach ever right behind Dave Wannstadt, lololololol

[nick2060]

Crazy lou, no offense but to say the chargers defense is better than pittsburgh is just flatout ignorant man. 13.9 points given up per game for the entire season compared to 21.4 (a whole touchdown more). Not to mention 79 yards rushing per game given up at home all year. 236 yards per game at home all year, compared to san diego who gives up 371 per game part of which is 118 yards rushing a game. Now whether or not i think pitt will win (which i do) is irrelevant, but to say chargers have a better defense is just silly.

[SBR Lou]

Crazy lou, no offense but to say the chargers defense is better than pittsburgh is just flatout ignorant man. 13.9 points given up per game for the entire season compared to 21.4 (a whole touchdown more). Not to mention 79 yards rushing per game given up at home all year. 236 yards per game at home all year, compared to san diego who gives up 371 per game part of which is 118 yards rushing a game. Now whether or not i think pitt will win (which i do) is irrelevant, but to say chargers have a better defense is just silly.

I was talking about the Ravens in the post below, and generally comparing the Steelers to the Ravens of old.

They're also in a much more realistic position to do the same again. They are better than Pittsburgh in just about every way- coaching, defense (gasps- yes, their playmakers are far more talented), offensive line, Quarterback, etc.

[nick2060]

oh my bad then

[MilfDriller]

Never, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER!!!!!!! underestimate the power of a gangsta head coach. And that's what Tomlin is.

You think a slow, white point guard who can't penetrate and can't shoot makes a difference in the over/under of a bet vs. if you have a quick, speedy black point guard who can penetrate, dish, kick it out and hit 3's?

I've seen it year after year. Not being racist (although all you PC lovers will have pissed their pants already), but it makes a big difference. Do you want your USA basketball team loaded with white players?

I think not.

Now, Turner is not a coach... some people are born offensive or defensive coordinator's and just aren't coaches... and this is why San Diego found a way to get ****ed up the ass in all their close games... and is why New England always pushes the right buttons.

No way in hell Steelers win by 13 pts. Mark that down. And they'll never, ever win a Superbowl under Tomlinson.

[pinnacle212]

Nobody talks about Omar Epps like that.

Damn right he looks like Omar Epps
But, lets look at other coaches that suck.
Mangini team crumbled under pressure.
Wade Phillips
Norv Turner C'mon they were talking about firing him a 2 weeks ago.
Mike McCarthy they lost so many games at the end against garbage teams.
Omar Epps is a good situation in Pittsburg.

Most coaches go to garbage teams that are on the turn around.
Browns
Arizonas
Seahawks
Miami's etc will all be terrible until your management can get the personnel, coach and scheme to fit

[pinnacle212]

Big Ben off a concussion. This one is over after one hard sack. Steelers O-line will be so afraid to have him sacked that they'll rack up even more penalties than last time these teams met. The only goal line Ben will be sniffing is his own. By the time Leftwich comes in to clean up the mess the Chargers have all their backups in.

The Chargers are hot. They have the best quarterback. Why is the line not closer than six. This is not by mistake.

Do you honestly think Sproles will catch kick returns, punts and and be a full-time running back. Bennett right there is a reason he was not starting. Your not playing the Colts or the Denver Defense. I can get the neighberhood kids and play 1 against 11 and beat them does not make me a good football player.

Injuries. Ben does have a loggin noggin. This is big a couple of knocks can get you out. Gates is not 100 percent. Regardless of what you think about LT. He is better than LT when healthy. He was healthy during the first game they played.

Travel not good for SD enough said. I think Pitt stops the run early. Rivers will have to win the game for them by the 2nd half. Ben will have a short field to score from based on D.

San Diego could not win the last game with the refs help or healthy stars they cannot win this one

[pinnacle212]

I love when guys say, "I am not being racist but ....
Pittsburg wins this one easy enough said there is know analysis in this thread. Guys are just going back and force making emotional statements about there favorite team.

We dont have football, running water, shoes or air conditioning in Mississippi.

Oh yeah, We do not have In-laws either. It will take the slow a little time to get that one.

[MBENZ]

This will be a nice thread to bump after the Steelers drop the hammer on these west coast wanabees.

[Dark Horse]

Roethlisberger - Eli - Rivers.

Do the math.

[SBR Lou]

Roethlisberger - Eli - Rivers.

Do the math.

Take out Ben's year of handing the ball off to Bettis and throwing 14 times a game, then run same comparison.

[Dark Horse]

I was referring to class of 2004.

And I'm just messing around. Football season has seven games left. That's not even half a Sunday.

[pinnacle212]

Roethlisberger - Eli - Rivers.

Do the math.

i got some logic. the do not play defense

[Chi_archie]

lots of good info here..

http://www.pittsburghpost-gazette.com/pg/09009/940672-66.stm

http://www.pittsburghpost-gazette.com/pg/09009/940620-66.stm

http://www.pittsburghpost-gazette.com/pg/09009/940754-66.stm

[SBR Lou]

I'm fairly certain that once SD beats Pittsburgh the shift will become, "Big Ben wasn't healthy", and that ticks me off. Pittsburgh, other than their defense, is as overrated a football team as I think there ever was.

[Chi_archie]

bold words Crazy....

I mean Defense is 50% of the game and many would argue the most important... good defense beats a good offense more often then not.

so shouldn't the most over rated team of all time be a team with a good offense and bad defense? or medicocre at both?

Steelers wouldn't have 5 super bowls if it wasn't for steroids...so maybe the steelers of the 70's were the most over-rated... they were good... but they were sammy sosa "good"

[slacker00]

This will be a nice thread to bump after the Steelers drop the hammer on these west coast wanabees.

Do your talking BEFORE the game. I'm starting to see too much crowing after the fact around SBR again.

Real handicappers defend their picks before the game. Posers only talk after their picks come in.

[frostno98]

Because the Chargers are that bad, record wise going into this game!

[SBR Lou]

We are about to see why they're so overrated. Big Ben is throwing 2 INT's and being sacked 6 times.