If you get caught being a bookie....

[Tsoprano]

In lets say... NYC, what would the sentence be?

[Iwinyourmoney]

Life in Iraq

[pat venditto]

to tail mine and iwinyourmoney's picks. 2-18 last 20.

[Iwinyourmoney]

Patty, in the last three days I am 11-4

[james4512]

you get in more trouble with the IRS than the state. Getting in trouble with the IRS can mean big problems

[pat venditto]

yea and my cock is black

[wtf]

dont do it t

we have bigger fish to fry!!!

[Iwinyourmoney]

yea and my cock is black

have you not been following my posts the last 3 days bro?

[Tsoprano]

Life in Iraq

Are the Iraqians good gamblers?

[xstud]

Well I know in MN it is a Felony. A lot of it depends on how much money is being transacted... if they did a sting (which is how you would most likely get caught) depending on the dollar figure it could be some serious time... not to mention tax troubles and several other charges that officials would try to nail you with...

I would say min.. 2-3 years

[Chi_archie]

I wanna start up a book in IRAQ... thanks for the brainstorming fellas...


Those fuks would bet chalk ALL the time i'm sure

[Tsoprano]

I know so many losing gamblers. They've been losing their paychecks weekly for years.

[ZBOIZ]

Here in my city my bookie got caught and they just took his money.

[Tsoprano]

Which City do you live in?

[Chi_archie]

In lets say... NYC, what would the sentence be?

hold on I remember reading an article about a local bookie here, being arrested... let me find it

[Chi_archie]

it was an old article... from 02

guy got 41 months...

http://www.suntimes.com/special_sections/crime/37613,cst-nws-mobbook18r.article

[pat venditto]

supposed to be a free country to do what u please. tax the bookies and let them run their business.

[InTheHole]

Here in my city my bookie got caught and they just took his money.

Do you live in Chicago

[Chi_archie]

Do you live in Chicago

In chicago, I would think if you got caught. Most judges and cops would just force you to book them at NO juice for a couple of years to look the other way

[Tsoprano]

Thanks for the article.

Are there a lot of locals in your area Chi?

[RogueJuror]

In chicago, I would think if you got caught. Most judges and cops would just force you to book them at NO juice for a couple of years to look the other way

that'ld be a great deal

[Chi_archie]

Thanks for the article.

Are there a lot of locals in your area Chi?

I'm too scared to find out, I'd love the convenience of having a local bookie, but with all the historical mob connections and my tendency to go on tilt.... i'd be scared to find out... I don't wanna end up being tied up and covered in concrete or thrown into lake mighigan with a coupla cinder blocks attached to me

[ZBOIZ]

Do you live in Chicago

I currently reside in Baton Rouge but home is New Orleans

[Boner_18]

After my last final I'll crack open the NY Penal Code and look it up T. I would be more worried about the "turf" issues in NYC than the sentencing...

[THEGREAT30]

Who ever gets caught?

[Richkas]

yea and my cock is black

lol

[jjgold]

Ny city it is a fine on 1st offense

Most other places jail or probation

[Boner_18]

Tsop...

By the NYPC the relevant section is § 225 - Gambling Offenses, in pertinent part:

§ 225.20 - Possession of Gambling Records in the First Degree
A person is guilty of possession of gambling records in the first degree when, with knowledge of the contents thereof, he possesses any writing, paper, instrument or article:
1. Of a kind commonly used in the operation or promotion of a bookmaking scheme or enterprise, and constituting, reflecting or representing more than five bets totaling more than five thousand dollars; or
2. Of a kind commonly used n the operation or promotion of a bookmaking scheme or enterprise, and constituting, reflecting or representing more than five hundred plays or chances therein.

Possession of gambling records in the first degree is a class E felony

The relevant sentencing § is § 70.00 - Sentence of Imprisonment for Felony. It reads, in pertinent part:
§ 70.00(2)(e) - For class E felony, the term shall be fixed by the court, and shall not exceed four years.


T, this is for a first offender, repeat felonies lend themselves to stricter sentencing.

** This is not, nor does it intend to be legal advice of any kind. If you are in need of legal advice please seek out and retain an attorney.**

[themajormt]

Boner: Could they apply RICO to a one man shop? If you are an ongoing, criminal enterprise, (i.e bookie) doesnt that bring RICO into the mix? I know the FED's would have to get involved and everything which wouldnt happen for a small operation but just curious. Also, the use of a cell phone to conduct illegal activity is another charge that could be brought right?

[jjgold]

Never knew a NY bookmaker that got caught the 1st time just for booking to get anything but a fine, the thing is they get some on racketeering charges which then is a different ball game.

[Boner_18]

Boner: Could they apply RICO to a one man shop? If you are an ongoing, criminal enterprise, (i.e bookie) doesnt that bring RICO into the mix? I know the FED's would have to get involved and everything which wouldnt happen for a small operation but just curious. Also, the use of a cell phone to conduct illegal activity is another charge that could be brought right?

I'm not sure about the ins and outs of RICO as I am not a criminal lawyer (I got a C+ in crim law) and don't have the statute here (to lazy to look it up on LexisNexis). As I understand it, in order to implicate RICO the bookmaking enterprise would have to rise to a certain level (as you noted). Also, the use of a cell phone might implicate some sort of fraud or interstate criminal activity but the state's case would be thin at best because of the mental state (of the criminal) required to prove a crime.

Again, to lazy (and unknowledgeable on this subject) to look up the true implications of these issues, you may be completely correct. Also, not getting paid for this research and it certainly doesn't qualify as pro bono...

[Boner_18]

Never knew a NY bookmaker that got caught the 1st time just for booking to get anything but a fine, the thing is they get some on racketeering charges which then is a different ball game.

Sure, what is chargeable if the DA wants to "go all the way" and what they eventually agree to is totally different. If the DA wanted to, they could charge a class E felony.

[themajormt]

Thanks just curious... I knew a guy who got caught selling dime bags of weed and they tried to charge him with using a cell phone to promote illegal activity and the judge threw the charge out because it was definitely reaching... If you fly under the radar and arent running a million dollar a year operation, and do not threaten anyone to get your money I doubt anyone will mess with you.

[Boner_18]

Thanks just curious... I knew a guy who got caught selling dime bags of weed and they tried to charge him with using a cell phone to promote illegal activity and the judge threw the charge out because it was definitely reaching... If you fly under the radar and arent running a million dollar a year operation, and do not threaten anyone to get your money I doubt anyone will mess with you.

Yeah, some of the criminal charges out there are just bunk, a good judge will do just what your buddies judge did, call it out.

And yeah, the statement of what the law is and what law is as enforced are two separate questions (as JJ pointed out).

[Jesse Black]

It all depends on who makes the pinch, and where. Locals in Bk or the boogie down, not so bad. Mis-D and a fine. An OC task force much more of a problem. My first four were Mis-D's, and a fine. Five, and six were nightmares.
All in all, if you are clean, and stay SMALL, it is a good move. Take one pinch, and get out.
Do NOT shylock anybody, and stay away from scumbag New Jersey. Do not let anyone call you from that place, or they drag you over there to face charges. I swear they are more backward, and inbred, they those crackers from Mississippi.
If I can help, let me know. There is so much money to be made. Good Luck.