Automotive bailout collapses in Senate

[ShamsWoof10]

What's happening is so corrupt that I could only qualify it as satanic. And I do mean that in the darkest occult sense.

At least ONE of you are on the right page.. DH just a little FYI "occult" means "hidden"...

Money itself is actually the problem and not because we don't have enough of it but because it exists period...

By the way "Pavy" and some of you others... the market is down 70 pts. so I hope none of you do this for a living...

[EBSB52]

Are you saying that you, like me, were opposed to the bank bailout, but since they did it, they should also be obligated to do the auto bailout in the name of fairness?

Do two wrongs make a right here?

Do two wrongs make a right here?

When you're talking 2% it sure as fvck does.


As for the bank bailout, I was mixed. If we did nothing, we would be in a recession, if we gifted the scum then we will hammer the debt. I think the best solution would have been to let teh finance co's go and the gov to take over the lending business, that way the gov would have tangible assets to their name.

All teh people whining too much regulation have to demonstrate that regulation works, failures directly from deregulation are everywhere; these drones just parrot Limbaugh and Hannity w/o understanding what they're saying.

[EBSB52]

May I ask what is your nationality? You seem to have a hatriot against Americans.

I'm a born American, unlike you I served 1 term in the military, I have a BS in Justice, am a licenced FAA mechanic, inspector and pilot. I have no felony record, never have.

I do not hate America, I hate that the uneducated masses are so stupid that they stab themselves in the heart thinking they're bettering their cause. I deal with data and historical evidence, not rhetoric.

[Shark79]

The American Dream....lol.
You mean the get rich dream.
America is the land of everyone for themselves, and if you cant make it then go **** urself.
im happy i live in a country where we atleast try to take care of each other.

x nevermind ur in CA.

[ShamsWoof10]

...and yes at some point soon they will get the "so called" bailout... The big three as well as the other car companies have a full line of completely electric cars ready but the infrastruture is not ready yet... There is a company in CA. that is putting in 100,000 recharging stations for these cars... This is JUST THE BEGINNING....

I don't know this to be fact but I understand that the infrastructure budget has reached ONE TRILLION DOLLARS and I think they will spend far more then that... Anyway they didn't ALL make these cars because they are planning on folding... The big three MAY consoladate into 1 or 2 but I doubt it I think they all stay as they are and consoladate what they have like everyone else is doing... we are deflating...

[pavyracer]

At least ONE of you are on the right page.. DH just a little FYI "occult" means "hidden"...

Money itself is actually the problem and not because we don't have enough of it but because it exists period...

By the way "Pavy" and some of you others... the market is down 70 pts. so I hope none of you do this for a living...

So the market being down 70 pts is considered good news? It's also down 6,000 points since last June.

[pavyracer]

I'm a born American, unlike you I served 1 term in the military, I have a BS in Justice, am a licenced FAA mechanic, inspector and pilot. I have no felony record, never have.

I do not hate America, I hate that the uneducated masses are so stupid that they stab themselves in the heart thinking they're bettering their cause. I deal with data and historical evidence, not rhetoric.

I served with the Rangers for 2.5 years and I have a MS in structural engineering and I'm a registered professional engineer in more than 30 states. I am a licensed motorcycle rider, ex-race track bike star and have never been arrested in my life. I am proficient in martial arts and I can cut someone in pieces with a knife in more than one way.

[ShamsWoof10]

So the market being down 70 pts is considered good news? It's also down 6,000 points since last June.

Watch out for Wall Street to crash tomorrow. It will be a bloodbath in the morning.

A.. it's in the positive now and B.. it's GREAT NEWS considering you thought it would "CRASH"... Bloodbath..? I will have to go out and see if I can get a glass of blood from Central Ave. be back...

[pavyracer]

A.. it's in the positive now and B.. it's GREAT NEWS considering you thought it would "CRASH"... Bloodbath..? I will have to go out and see if I can get a glass of blood from Central Ave. be back...

I made this prediction last night.

http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=%5EN225#symbol=%5EN225;range=1d

http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=%5EFTSE#symbol=%5EFTSE;range=1d

Both Tokyo and London markets are significantly down 5.5% and 2.5% so I stand corrected on my prediction.

[EBSB52]

I served with the Rangers for 2.5 years and I have a MS in structural engineering and I'm a registered professional engineer in more than 30 states. I am a licensed motorcycle rider, ex-race track bike star and have never been arrested in my life. I am proficient in martial arts and I can cut someone in pieces with a knife in more than one way.

I was assuming the military thing, if you're honest with that I retract. I usually encounter "real Americans" as the ones w/o service. I think you know what I'm talking about.

As for your resume, you posted it in reagrd to my assumption, I posted my resume in response to you thinking I'm a foreigner and that I hate America. Let's address that.

Why is it that if a person is dissatisfied with the current state of the US that they must be a terrorist or an America-hater? W/o offending you, I probably know a hell of a lot more about the constitution and American laws than you. I draw from this knowledge and am glad to support any references I make with objective data.

As for the motoercycle thing, while I don't find being a licensed motorcycle rider to be worthy of noting, I used to be a huge Gixxer fan in my 20's and my 30's. I almost bought a Gixxer 1000, a new leftover 06 w/o the pussy switch, it was a leftover but new. This was about 1.5 years ago but on the way to the dealer I got yet another ticket in my eco car, so I said fvck it. I would lose my license as I did in my 20's if I went there. Nazi POS state AZ is.

So anyway, who are you if you're as famous as you say. I didn't follow superbike that closely, but I knew a few names. Assuming you weren't GP.

What kind of structural; engineer? Aircraft by chance?

I am proficient in martial arts and I can cut someone in pieces with a knife in more than one way.

I'm sure your mom is proud. I find the truly tough guys usually keep this in their pocket; you never know how tough they are until it's too late, and they never initiate or brag. Kinda the First Blood scenario.

[EBSB52]

So the market being down 70 pts is considered good news? It's also down 6,000 points since last June.

The market is a reaction to a lot of things, environmental factors, fear/greed, human behaviors, etc. The market has responded to the behavior of corrupt lending and idiotic interest rates.

[pavyracer]

I design airport hangars so you can service your aircrafts in the shade. It takes plenty of skill to ride a 1300 cc motorcycle at 200 mph. It's worth noting since I'm still alive. Finally, when you serve in the Rangers you learn to depend on your knife more than your rifle for survival in the wilderness behind enemy lines.

[EBSB52]

I made this prediction last night.

http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=%5EN225#symbol=%5EN225;range=1d

http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=%5EFTSE#symbol=%5EFTSE;range=1d

Both Tokyo and London markets are significantly down 5.5% and 2.5% so I stand corrected on my prediction.

BTW, you asked for 1 example, I gave it, let's hear your response. See, this militant idiocy about NO GOD DAMNED SOCIALISM HERE, WON'T WORK, FVCK THAT is ridiculous. It's like those Chinese finger cuffs; the harder you resist the more likely it will happen. To allow a little socialism in and repair the gross over-capitalism would be the best for the extreme capitalists. Don't believe me, look at the former USSR; if they had allowed a little more capitalism in they might not have fallen. Stobborn idiocy is rewarded with your greatest fears, compromise is rewarded with reasonable satisfaction.

[EBSB52]

I design airport hangars so you can service your aircrafts in the shade. It takes plenty of skill to ride a 1300 cc motorcycle at 200 mph. It's worth noting since I'm still alive. Finally, when you serve in the Rangers you learn to depend on your knife more than your rifle for survival in the wilderness behind enemy lines.

Cool, huge ones or smaller hangers? Which ones have you designed, if the huge ones?

So you have a Hyabusa? No offense, but I rejected Ninjas due to being huge heavy pieces of sh!t. I was always a road racer, have the broken bones and rashes to prove it! As for skill to point a Hyabusa down the road and roll on the throttle; hardly. I rode my friends 04 Gixxer 1000, the little brother to the Hyabusa, not much smaller HP-wise, and it was way diiferent that the 95 Gixxer 1100 I owned, insanely more power, but still any idiot can roll throttle and shift gears, but to holeshot and win takes skill. But still, you can't compare drag racing to road racing as far a skill, risk or danger.


You sound like a risk-taker like me, you ought to try skydiving. You may have jumps as a ranger, but try sport skydiving, it's way cooler than hop-n-pops out of a 130. Here's me as a tandem instructor 1 1/2 years ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6Zs8LThe2w

Finally, when you serve in the Rangers you learn to depend on your knife more than your rifle for survival in the wilderness behind enemy lines

I'm sure. I'm pro-military, pro-soldier; I think Bush should be tried for the crimes the GI's are being tried for, it's his mess they took the fall for. All I'm saying is that as a genral rule, truly tough guys will never lead you on to that, they keep it disguised. Ever play pickup ball? It's usually the squeeky little punk that talks and plays the dirtiest, the big guys tend to show more respect. Same concept.

[pavyracer]

Big ones more than 200 ft wide and 60 ft tall. I sold the Hayabusa when I got married. I ride a Suzuki VStrom DL 1000 now. When I raced at Road Atlanta I was taking risks. Haven't skydived in years but would love to do it again sometime.

Good luck.

[EBSB52]

Big ones more than 200 ft wide and 60 ft tall. I sold the Hayabusa when I got married. I ride a Suzuki VStrom DL 1000 now. When I raced at Road Atlanta I was taking risks. Haven't skydived in years but would love to do it again sometime.

Good luck.

Design any notable hangars? Kind of a boring occupation to some, but well appreciated by us

VStraom, is that a cruiser? I think you agree that even 200 mph is fairly easy. If bad shit happens then it sucks, but if nothing jumps out in front of you the friken bikes drive themselves.

Road Atlanta, just a road track to my understanding, unless they have a drag part as well, like Firebird http://www.firebirdraceway.com/ it has both, the drag strip is the straightaway.

So did you roadrace? If so, what did u ride? You say you were known, who are you? I'm older school, Kevin Scwantz, etc...


Yea, check out skydiving, it's way different with Tandems perfected and sport gear safe as sh!t.

[Killer_Demo]

let the auto industry fail....german cars are better anywayz...if the workers cant take a few dollars off an hour they dont deserve a check

[ShamsWoof10]

let the auto industry fail....german cars are better anywayz...if the workers cant take a few dollars off an hour they dont deserve a check

I think what most don't realize is even if the American worker worked for FREE it would still cost the auto companies more to have the American worker simply because of the extra sh*t (benefits) they get and I don't "think" that someone in China or Mexico get inshurnance or pensions/matching a 401K plan just to mention a couple of the extras...

[pavyracer]

Design any notable hangars? Kind of a boring occupation to some, but well appreciated by us

VStraom, is that a cruiser? I think you agree that even 200 mph is fairly easy. If bad shit happens then it sucks, but if nothing jumps out in front of you the friken bikes drive themselves.

Road Atlanta, just a road track to my understanding, unless they have a drag part as well, like Firebird http://www.firebirdraceway.com/ it has both, the drag strip is the straightaway.

So did you roadrace? If so, what did u ride? You say you were known, who are you? I'm older school, Kevin Scwantz, etc...


Yea, check out skydiving, it's way different with Tandems perfected and sport gear safe as sh!t.

I did a few hangars in Atlanta and Carribean. This is only a small pecentage of my work. I do much more hotels, resorts and shopping centers as well as some schools. I rode Suzuki's when I was racing. I don't do drag racing. It is gay.

[RageWizard]

let the auto industry fail....german cars are better anywayz...if the workers cant take a few dollars off an hour they dont deserve a check

Now a days there is no "American" or "foriegn" companies. I work for a supplier that designs, tests, and builds all of our products that we sell to the OEMs. The bifgg difference between ols schoolamerican Manufactors is that they still have the take it or leave it mentality. Others such as Toyota, Honda, and VW will work with their suppliers so that they will ensure a better product that is made cheaper.

Now German cars are good, but I have been over there several times teaching them dudes how to make hydroform tools, and high risk stampings because they deemed them impossible. Why do I mention this, well it is a example of the know how that is in the U.S. The main problem is the higher management and bean counters. If the big three go down, I say great, they sucked anyways, and where total assholes to work with anyways. It isnt like all the people in the U.S are going to stop driving cars. Hell most of us are too fat to walk a freaking block. Other manufactures will step in and take up the void.