Betphoenix - Moneybookers deposit bonus - easy or not?

[betplom]

http://www.betphoenix.com/promos/moneybookers/moneybookers.html

Bonus maximum is $200 USD in freeplay wagers Rules for this promotion are as follows:

* $200 maximum bonus is offered in freeplay.
* 12 times rollover on 100% moneybookers bonus offer.
* 14 day play playing period.
* Applies to -110 lines setting only.
* The lesser of the risk versus win amount on moneyline wagers is considered for rollover requirements.


This doesn't look so easy, especially the "Applies to -110 lines setting only."

Has anyone here received this bonus and successfully completed the rollover?

I'm tempted to open an account but would first like to hear from others regarding this bonus.

[fiveteamer]

14 day play playing period.

Does that mean you have 14 days to roll it over 12 times?

[Bill Dozer]

No, should mean you have to make bets on at least 14 different days.

[betplom]

No, should mean you have to make bets on at least 14 different days.

"Should mean" should be clarified by Betphoenix.

The vagueness of these written rollover requirements improves the chances of a player misunderstanding and later complaining.

[Mudcat]

http://www.betphoenix.com/promos/mon...eybookers.html

Bonus maximum is $200 USD in freeplay wagers Rules for this promotion are as follows:

* $200 maximum bonus is offered in freeplay.
* 12 times rollover on 100% moneybookers bonus offer.
* 14 day play playing period.
* Applies to -110 lines setting only.
* The lesser of the risk versus win amount on moneyline wagers is considered for rollover requirements.


This doesn't look so easy, especially the "Applies to -110 lines setting only."

Has anyone here received this bonus and successfully completed the rollover?

I'm tempted to open an account but would first like to hear from others regarding this bonus.

I haven't gotten that exact deal but I can tell you my experience which should have some relevance. I have received a 45% freeplay bonus on a $2500 deposit. That is the -110 lineset.

I thought the rollover was 7x but it is saying 6x on the website right now so we'll go with that. No problem rolling over. Lots of off-consensus lines and decent limits.

[HeeeHAWWWW]

They do pay, no problem. Have had 5 figures from them the last month (admittedly a fair chunk of that was one large lucky win). Also went for the 45% - didn't fancy the much larger deposit needed for the 50%.

The problem is I've now been limited to max $500, as have a number of friends. That's a shame, cos it used to be $5k on nba/nfl.

Irritating thing is it's probably the bonus that flags you up, when I wasn't much interested in that - can never be bothered with freeplays, pita to find the long odds stuff that make them worthwhile. Should have just taken the -105 in retrospect (same as with 5dimes, better going on the reduced juice there).

[betphoenix]

The 14 day playing period just refers to account maturity period, and is not attached to the actual plays.

Richard

[big joe 1212]

They should also clarify "business days" since thats what they told me when I tried to cash out after 15 normal days!
Very frustrating this book is! Learned my lesson and moved on!

[paulov20]

Well.... I made a withdrawal and had to pay a 3.5% (!!!) withdrawal fee through moneybookers. I protested against it, nothing heard yet... Of a withdrawal over 3000$ this costs too much

[HeeeHAWWWW]

Well.... I made a withdrawal and had to pay a 3.5% (!!!) withdrawal fee through moneybookers. I protested against it, nothing heard yet... Of a withdrawal over 3000$ this costs too much

Yeah, I had that too. Really annoying when there's no mention of it on their site - and that's the only way they could pay me too, so wasn't like I had any choice. They mention "transaction fees apply" or "1 free check every 30 days" for their other withdrawal options, but nothing with moneybookers.

By the time I get my whole balance back I'll have paid $500ish in fees.


Edit: total fees corrected....

[katstale]

I was gonna jump in to answer the "easy or not" question, but have to comment on that withdraw fee. Anything more to that story? That is crazy high. No free withdrawal via MB? at least the first one of the month etc?

Ok, for the easy part. If a book doesn't limit you severely then any reasonable bonus is easy to clear for a thinking player. That said, I would be thrilled if the books that have limited me would all send me an email back and let me return with a $500 limit!! lolol In fact, I even recommended that figure to some books if they would let me stay!! lolol No takers so far.

May be still too early to get a clear picture of this group, but they do come in here and mix it up ala Blackdog and i give them props for that. If they will give me reduced juice and a $500 a game limit right now!! I will sign up!! lolol (one caveat, they have to leave me alone if i accept the opening limit of $500) AND, bring at least one friend......

[HeeeHAWWWW]

I was gonna jump in to answer the "easy or not" question, but have to comment on that withdraw fee. Anything more to that story? That is crazy high. No free withdrawal via MB? at least the first one of the month etc?

Nope. Not one.

I probably would never have deposited in the first place if I'd known they'd hit me with fees like that. Not even like you get a vague potential hint of it - there's simply no mention of moneybookers fees at all, see here:

http://www.betphoenix.com/banking#twoj_fragment1-2

Also, pretty much every other book known to man does them free (at least 1/month). Even those that charge tend to only be a tiny amount, like $15 fixed (which is what pinnacle charges after the 1st free one per month is used).

I'd even have taken a bankwire, since that would surely have been a fixed fee, but they couldn't do that for my location. Moneybookers was the only way to get my money.

[noyb]

i agree, 3,5% is complete madness and a rip-off. too bad, it was one of the books I wanted to give a try in the coming weeks.

[HedgeHog]

I think it's great that Betphoenix answers questions directly here. I do have a problem with them advertising at the same time (see post #7).

Sign up for HH Sports at HHsports.com (no such site, but you get my point).

[big joe 1212]

I think it's great that Betphoenix answers questions directly here. I do have a problem with them advertising at the same time (see post #7).

Sign up for HH Sports at HHsports.com (no such site, but you get my point).

They only come on here and answer the easy questions, I have asked them for clarification issues, but never get them!

[betphoenix]

Nope, here to answer all questions. I am not in front of a computer all day as well. I will inquire about the fee schedule for moneybookers and will respond shortly.

[HeeeHAWWWW]

I think it's great that Betphoenix answers questions directly here. I do have a problem with them advertising at the same time (see post #7).

I don't actually mind that - the guy is trying to be helpful, it's a useful resource for posters and speaks well of the book.

Let's face it, it's not like he's advertising something that isn't obvious anyway. When you have a topic about betphoenix, and the poster is called betphoenix, it really doesn't make much difference whether there's a link there. Now if there were advertising slogans or that sort of thing, sure, that would be a bit dubious.

[paulov20]

Also note that if you have an Euro moneybookers account ( I have), the total price to pay is 3.5+2.5 = 6% !!! (due to euro dollar conversion)

[katstale]

Nope, here to answer all questions. I am not in front of a computer all day as well. I will inquire about the fee schedule for moneybookers and will respond shortly.

Thanks for showing up!! Would love to hear that you are not gouging for withdrawals. No first class book should be charging that. Is Betot charging those kinds of fees as well?

If so, they will need to give out a nice FP wager with every withdraw--just to help out the player.

[HedgeHog]

I don't actually mind that - the guy is trying to be helpful, it's a useful resource for posters and speaks well of the book.

Let's face it, it's not like he's advertising something that isn't obvious anyway. When you have a topic about betphoenix, and the poster is called betphoenix, it really doesn't make much difference whether there's a link there. Now if there were advertising slogans or that sort of thing, sure, that would be a bit dubious.

If Betphoenix were a D Book, would you still feel the same way?
Spam is spam. Let's be consistent, SBR.

[noyb]

Also note that if you have an Euro moneybookers account ( I have), the total price to pay is 3.5+2.5 = 6% !!! (due to euro dollar conversion)

yeah, but those extra 2,5% are moneybookers rates though, not much betphoenix can do about that

[Mudcat]

Well.... I made a withdrawal and had to pay a 3.5% (!!!) withdrawal fee through moneybookers. I protested against it, nothing heard yet... Of a withdrawal over 3000$ this costs too much

Wow. That's really bad. I didn't know that.

When I deposited they didn't have Moneybookers payouts at all. They were still saying they hoped to have it soon.

Hopefully they will get more in line with industry standards and out of gouging mode.

[betphoenix]

I will have some clarity for you in the AM. I want to sit with the controller to see what the charges are for outgoing merchant transfers. I want to make sure I am relaying the right information here.

[VBOMBER]

Any plans in the future to get book to book transfers?

[betphoenix]

I will attend to that question as well.

[Stumpage]

3.5% on all Moneybookers withdrawals?? WTF? I was thinking about joining up and depositing to BetPhoenix, but on principle alone I simply can't join a sportsbook that openly gouges like this.....

Christ, this is right out of the "BetCris milk the client" playbook, maybe even worse.....

[katstale]

Bump

Still hoping to hear from Phoenix AND OT that they are not gonna gouge for withdrawals.

I was also curious abt something else. I noticed that OT can take NT, but seems Phoenix can't? How can that be? lol

Can u come back and clarify these issues?

thnx

[noyb]

bump again

i'm still curious about the moneybookers-thing

[betphoenix]

Happy Holidays all,

Moneybookers payment prices will be adjusted to a flat rate. There will be 1 free Moneybookers payment per month, and a $20 flat rate there after. This policy change will be effective Tuesday Dec 16th 12 AM.

Thank you SBR posters, and best of luck with your plays today.

Richard

[Stumpage]

Happy Holidays all,

Moneybookers payment prices will be adjusted to a flat rate. There will be 1 free Moneybookers payment per month, and a $20 flat rate there after. This policy change will be effective Tuesday Dec 16th 12 AM.

Thank you SBR posters, and best of luck with your plays today.

Richard

Good move Richard, as far as I'm concerned and I think it speaks volumes that you listened to the opinions of both present and potential clients. The Moneybookers issue was the only barrier for myself in terms of joining Phoenix, and I'm glad to see it's been dealt with. You've got one new customer as a result at the very least.....

[HeeeHAWWWW]

Well, nice to see the change, and good to see a book being reasonable wrt client concerns. Still, bit annoying to have paid out $300ish already for withdrawals :-(

[VBOMBER]

Any news on book transfers?

[betphoenix]

Heeee,

Send me a mail, I will address that for you.

VBomber,

I will be arranging some for the future, we have just not gone down that path yet. On the list of things to do. I will get this addressed, but a bit hard to put an exact date to it.

[betplom]

Happy Holidays all,

Moneybookers payment prices will be adjusted to a flat rate. There will be 1 free Moneybookers payment per month, and a $20 flat rate there after. This policy change will be effective Tuesday Dec 16th 12 AM.

Thank you SBR posters, and best of luck with your plays today.

Richard

Good news, and well done!

I wasn't going to play there with the moneybookers fees so high.

[VBOMBER]

VBomber,

I will be arranging some for the future, we have just not gone down that path yet. On the list of things to do. I will get this addressed, but a bit hard to put an exact date to it.

Thanks for addressing. Originally, you had book transfers at to/from DSI/Bookmaker, was just wondering why those went away ($200 fee to transfer out, same as they charged - not great but at least an option).

Look forward to hearing about who you may set up book transfers with in the future. Thanks.