Beyond the Bets article Buries SBR

[BranchDavidian]

A lot of sites are tripping over themselves to chime in, even if it's just copy and pasting posts, can guarantee these people aren't on the horn or trying to look for buyers in this unimaginably difficult situation for players. I thought CalvinAyre's site wrote a fair article overall, but these little mom and pop joints are more concerned with fluffing themselves up to stay relevant.

Absolutely correct. A lot of sites are chiming in. But at least they are telling the truth! Where was SBR when all these other sites were warning their customers a month ago? Either not monitoring, or worse!

[BranchDavidian]

Why would it be?

Although I'm wondering what the author meant by "constant promotion", I'm not sure Beyond the Bets or any site for that matter would appreciate you posting their entire article so there's no need for anyone to click the link and visit the site.

As seems to be the way things work around here, once again a mod enters a thread but rather than talk about the substance of the thread wants to deflect to some side issue.

[bettilimbroke999]

I was at the bash in Costa and was not even aware that BetIslands was the sponsor of the luncheon!! lololol I also was not drinking. Now when the legends girls showed up, i was aware of that sponsorship for the poker tournament. lolol But there was no BI hype at the luncheon. Just reading all of this and trying to help sort out fact and fiction from what is an obviously bad situation.

BetIslands didnt sponsor the luncheon they charged 1.5 million for it....just waited a year to send the bill

BetIslands got paid....SBR got paid....posters got robbed

Im not sure if SBR was in on this or not but I know SBR has lost all standards in rating and promoting books and thus this process will be repeated again and again...SBR = Covers now

[BranchDavidian]

It's a year-old godaddy site trying to hype up a story hoping people pay attention to it. As I said, the "constant promotion" statement alone is just pure BS no matter what anyone thinks of SBR today. That's why I mentioned how they probably wouldn't appreciate Houli removing any need for people to go there. Ambulance chasers are bound to happen though.

Really? I lost a lot of money, and I played at BI because of the promotion from SBR. Perhaps you mean since not every mod spent every minute of everyday saying how well funded and respected BI backers were that the promoting wasn't constant?

[BranchDavidian]

I scanned your latest opus after responding to one final PM and I wish I never had. I'd always heard you were a bit messed up but just figured people were exaggerating but you are pretty low bringing the abuse of innocent boys into a thread like this at all. This will be the last time I acknowledge you unless it's about SBR policy in the future and I'm forced to. GL with nothing.

Holy cow. Now posters cannot even use an analogy. How else does one express their disgust with someone's behavior unless it is compared to the disgusting behavior of someone else? I guess we can never refer to the Penn State scandal again -- somehow just mentioning it is a low blow? And, I suppose we had better not compare anybodies actions to Hitler either?

[pokernut9999]

Only promotion was from all the posters , not SBR. All the crybabies always wanting Jon to throw them a bone.If SBR had alerted people of a problem you know what would have happen ? The same thing.....panic , no deposits and then no withdrawals.Sorry for anyone that lost money but that comes with the business , send your money overseas and you are taking a gamble.For all the guys crying about Christmas money ......you shoud not be betting with money that is for things like that.

[shari91]

Holy cow. Now posters cannot even use an analogy. How else does one express their disgust with someone's behavior unless it is compared to the disgusting behavior of someone else? I guess we can never refer to the Penn State scandal again -- somehow just mentioning it is a low blow? And, I suppose we had better not compare anybodies actions to Hitler either?

You can use whatever analogy you want. But I'll think you're an f'n idiot even if you think SBR John was the guy behind BetIslands, I'm married to SSLP and SBR Lou and Bill were Ryan and Mia and you try to compare the supposed cover up of people losing money to the proven cover up of children being raped multiple times and losing their innocence. And no, you shouldn't compare anyone to Hitler unless it's something as equally horrible to what he did. Seriously, leave the hysterical, over dramatic stuff to the women. People lost money. Yeah it sucks and I wouldn't wish it on anyone regardless of what they actually deposited or not. But don't bring kids into it. Guy already contradicted himself in post 50 where he said my posts would be deleted and then his next post I was the SBR spokesperson. Which is it??? The posts of the supposed SBR spokesperson will be deleted? As seen in another thread where a site changed the date of it's warning about BI to make it look like it happened much earlier than it did, let's stick to facts. I don't care if you slam my employer, me or some book but let's try to be classy.

[Trident]

Only promotion was from all the posters , not SBR. All the crybabies always wanting Jon to throw them a bone.If SBR had alerted people of a problem you know what would have happen ? The same thing.....panic , no deposits and then no withdrawals.Sorry for anyone that lost money but that comes with the business , send your money overseas and you are taking a gamble.For all the guys crying about Christmas money ......you shoud not be betting with money that is for things like that.

If they had alerted people once they knew of problems I doubt a single person would have sent them money but since they failed to alert people even more people were fleeced in the end. Amazing how people just don't get it.

[Sam Odom]

If SBR had alerted people of a problem you know what would have happen ? The same thing.....panic , no deposits and then no withdrawals.

Yes... The Kenny Boy Defense !

You need to add: "I would be the last one they would tell of trouble" because as the #1 watchdog I would report it to my posters

[ttrace35]

You can use whatever analogy you want. But I'll think you're an f'n idiot even if you think SBR John was the guy behind BetIslands, I'm married to SSLP and SBR Lou and Bill were Ryan and Mia and you try to compare the supposed cover up of people losing money to the proven cover up of children being raped multiple times and losing their innocence. And no, you shouldn't compare anyone to Hitler unless it's something as equally horrible to what he did. Seriously, leave the hysterical, over dramatic stuff to the women. People lost money. Yeah it sucks and I wouldn't wish it on anyone regardless of what they actually deposited or not. But don't bring kids into it. Guy already contradicted himself in post 50 where he said my posts would be deleted and then his next post I was the SBR spokesperson. Which is it??? The posts of the supposed SBR spokesperson will be deleted? As seen in another thread where a site changed the date of it's warning about BI to make it look like it happened much earlier than it did, let's stick to facts. I don't care if you slam my employer, me or some book but let's try to be classy.

I slow. I think I got it.

[King Mayan]

[milwaukee mike]

You can use whatever analogy you want. But I'll think you're an f'n idiot even if you think SBR John was the guy behind BetIslands, I'm married to SSLP and SBR Lou and Bill were Ryan and Mia and you try to compare the supposed cover up of people losing money to the proven cover up of children being raped multiple times and losing their innocence. And no, you shouldn't compare anyone to Hitler unless it's something as equally horrible to what he did. Seriously, leave the hysterical, over dramatic stuff to the women. People lost money. Yeah it sucks and I wouldn't wish it on anyone regardless of what they actually deposited or not. But don't bring kids into it. Guy already contradicted himself in post 50 where he said my posts would be deleted and then his next post I was the SBR spokesperson. Which is it??? The posts of the supposed SBR spokesperson will be deleted? As seen in another thread where a site changed the date of it's warning about BI to make it look like it happened much earlier than it did, let's stick to facts. I don't care if you slam my employer, me or some book but let's try to be classy.

didn't know you were into the fanny pack handgun thing, otherwise i might have tried it

[ebbearsfb1]

agree with shari here. fair game to bash betislands/sbr but comparing stuff to child rape is WAY over the line.

But crying conspiracy with 20 kids being murdered isnt?

Could tell by his post he was talkin about the cover up..

Surprised you didn't think that was a conspiracy to get Joe pa out of there..



Either way back to sbr..

I've said for a while now sbr is hardly for the players.. they don't care about posters..

Sportsbook who pay me get good reviews.com

They Care about cash in their pockets just like anyone else.. just something posters need to realize..and don't think everyone is all jolly and for helping you

[pokernut9999]

The one's that never get it are the one's that always blame someone besides their self. How many times have I read that the signs were there for weeks ? But we all waited on SBR to tell us something. If everyone in Costa Rica knew and the signs were there for weeks .......Keep making hundreds of threads a day and blaming SBR and maybe Santa will bring your money to you all. Grow up and move on !!

[wantitall4moi]

You can use whatever analogy you want. But I'll think you're an f'n idiot even if you think SBR John was the guy behind BetIslands, I'm married to SSLP and SBR Lou and Bill were Ryan and Mia and you try to compare the supposed cover up of people losing money to the proven cover up of children being raped multiple times and losing their innocence. And no, you shouldn't compare anyone to Hitler unless it's something as equally horrible to what he did. Seriously, leave the hysterical, over dramatic stuff to the women. People lost money. Yeah it sucks and I wouldn't wish it on anyone regardless of what they actually deposited or not. But don't bring kids into it. Guy already contradicted himself in post 50 where he said my posts would be deleted and then his next post I was the SBR spokesperson. Which is it??? The posts of the supposed SBR spokesperson will be deleted? As seen in another thread where a site changed the date of it's warning about BI to make it look like it happened much earlier than it did, let's stick to facts. I don't care if you slam my employer, me or some book but let's try to be classy.

People in Australia understand English right?

I said everything you are typing in this thread and in others NOW COULD be deleted. I didnt say it would be.

Your the damage control person. Or at least the best they have. Or the lowest on the totem pole theyre offering up to get blasted. But you surely havent taken the flack other SBR reps have taken. So it seems they made the right choice.

Lou posts something he gets crucified, John posts something he gets buried too, you post something and you are either given the benefit of the doubt or seen as a gullible follower. BUT the more you type and the more you implicate or give people to work with the shorter the leash gets on how much people are willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.

I never contradict myself because I dont have anything to hide or explain myself for. When you tell the truth it is a lot easier to keep your story straight.

A cover up i s a cover up. Pedd State knew what was going on and they lied about it right up until the end. The kids were so naive thatthey had a fukking rally on the lawn of joe Paterno who DEFINITELY knew about it, and he is out there in total senile la la land screaming th fight song and rallying the trops. Actually deluded enough to think him being there is enough to make it go away.

Akin to everything that has gone on here. There were reports, people from SBR denied it, one SBR guy made an observation that made total sense and got chastised by another SBT rep. Then as more and more shit started coming you have Bill Dozer coming out in defense, then Lou, even SBR John. But the evidence mounted so quuickly and shit hit the fan so fast they couldnt keep ahead of it. So they thought downgrading the book to a C and taking down the banner would be enough. When that was met with outrage thyey took about 6 hours to downgrade it to an F and John to come out with his bullshit excuse and then basically say "they were only rated B we here at SBR encourage everyone to only play at A graded books". Which raises the obvious question. How can anyone trust ANY grade you give ANY book? If Bet Islands was a B on Monday despite weeks of complaints and issues, then a C on Tuesday, and ultimately an F on Wednesday how can you be seen as an authority to grade any book?

Logic escapes a lot of people but anyone with half a brain knew what was up a long time ago. The depths of the cover up are the only small shock here just like they were at Pedd St. Obviously the particulars are different but not the underlying issue. SBR is supposedly 'legendary' at least to the naive in its grading systems, yet they were complicate in this fraud perpetrated by BI. While proving they actually funded them or set them up might never be proven it isnt a large leap to think that is the case. But they knew about it and said nothing. Using the Shrink defense and saying they didnt want a run on the bank. LMAO, what about the money thtat was sent in there over the past 5 or 6 weeks, and if the general public knew about it 6 weeks ago it can be safe to assume that BI hasnt been legit for 6 months.

Keep trying to defend them it just makes you look even worse. Like I said if you kept your mouth shut you might keep what credibility people have given you.

[ebbearsfb1]

The one's that never get it are the one's that always blame someone besides their self. How many times have I read that the signs were there for weeks ? But we all waited on SBR to tell us something. If everyone in Costa Rica knew and the signs were there for weeks .......Keep making hundreds of threads a day and blaming SBR and maybe Santa will bring your money to you all. Grow up and move on !!

Well all the new threads gotta be good for traffic which brings them more money..

[milwaukee mike]

wantitall, that's because some people know shari and therefore give her the benefit of the doubt.

i can post opinions that others would be blasted for, but because i have met most here, and they know i'm a good person, i only take a little of the heat that they would.

so they'll make one or two comments that they disagree, and then let it go (except maybe ebbears ). which is what we all have to do, your opinion is known as is mine. so another 20 paragraphs isn't going to do any good

[wantitall4moi]

wantitall, that's because some people know shari and therefore give her the benefit of the doubt.

i can post opinions that others would be blasted for, but because i have met most here, and they know i'm a good person, i only take a little of the heat that they would.

so they'll make one or two comments that they disagree, and then let it go (except maybe ebbears ). which is what we all have to do, your opinion is known as is mine. so another 20 paragraphs isn't going to do any good

guys met her for a weekend in Vegas I doubt they know her. But that comment is exactly why she was chosen to play interference runner.

I said it at that time too. She showed up played her part and gave the sheep what they expected and more. She is a paid representative of this site what do you expect from here, in Vegas at a bash or during this debacle?

[ebbearsfb1]

Haha mike...
It's all in good ribbing here..
Got no hard feelings just busting chops.. always like to hear what good posters have to say plus I know you won't get your nose out of joint.

wantitall, that's because some people know shari and therefore give her the benefit of the doubt.

i can post opinions that others would be blasted for, but because i have met most here, and they know i'm a good person, i only take a little of the heat that they would.

so they'll make one or two comments that they disagree, and then let it go (except maybe ebbears ). which is what we all have to do, your opinion is known as is mine. so another 20 paragraphs isn't going to do any good

[ttrace35]

here's another little nugget

DUDLEYDAWSON was getting weekly freeplays right up until the end from betislands to shill for them on sbr.

I read this too at covers. Unrealz

[milwaukee mike]

I read this too at covers. Unrealz

yeah, anyone getting paid anything from any sportsbook to write positively about them should have to say it IN BOLD PRINT IN THEIR AVATAR. and just the fact that you hire people to deflect criticism on a forum speaks volumes about your business model.

[shari91]

yeah, anyone getting paid anything from any sportsbook to write positively about them should have to say it IN BOLD PRINT IN THEIR AVATAR. and just the fact that you hire people to deflect criticism on a forum speaks volumes about your business model.

No, they should be banned. I find that disgusting. I ban people for promotion all the time but unfortunately in the case of BI too many ppl were saying how good they were, rated #5 overall, etc. Many of them long time posters so how do you know who was bought or not? Shills do not belong on SBR whether they're for Pinny, 365, 5Dimes or elsewhere.

This will not happen again. I'd rather ban too many people and have them plead their cases than not enough.

[PAULYPOKER]

Only reason why I didn't is because back during the half point/crazy freeplays heyday when I tried to sign up they said no non US allowed.

And Bingo was his Name-o............


legal action next to impossible to be taken when you are stealing US players money,

like taking candy from a baby.................

[tto827]

Does anyone know if Dudley was actually being paid, not just trying to save his sorry ass for supporting these guys for so long? Not like he was a very credible guy around here, is there any reason to believe he was actually paid by BI (besides the fact that we want to blame BI for everything now)

[ttrace35]

Does anyone know if Dudley was actually being paid, not just trying to save his sorry ass for supporting these guys for so long? Not like he was a very credible guy around here, is there any reason to believe he was actually paid by BI (besides the fact that we want to blame BI for everything now)

He admitted it over at covers. Said he got 150 freeplay a week.

[tto827]

He admitted it over at covers. Said he got 150 freeplay a week.

Pinnacle is paying me $800 a day to say good things about them.... is this true.... no. Just cause he said it doesn't make it true, thats my point. Although Dudley would have sold his soul for a $.87 FP, so it definitely could be true.

[ttrace35]

No, they should be banned. I find that disgusting. I ban people for promotion all the time but unfortunately in the case of BI too many ppl were saying how good they were, rated #5 overall, etc. Many of them long time posters so how do you know who was bought or not? Shills do not belong on SBR whether they're for Pinny, 365, 5Dimes or elsewhere.

This will not happen again. I'd rather ban too many people and have them plead their cases than not enough.

Shari. WHat were your thoughts when you first seen my thread last week about betislands being done? Just curious

[ttrace35]

Pinnacle is paying me $800 a day to say good things about them.... is this true.... no. Just cause he said it doesn't make it true, thats my point. Although Dudley would have sold his soul for a $.87 FP, so it definitely could be true.

I really believe its true. While he was over here shilling, he was pm,ing me saying how he was scared shit they were closing. I knew somethimg was up.

[tto827]

I really believe its true. While he was over here shilling, he was pm,ing me saying how he was scared shit they were closing. I knew somethimg was up.

Interesting

[bettilimbroke999]

Only promotion was from all the posters , not SBR. All the crybabies always wanting Jon to throw them a bone.If SBR had alerted people of a problem you know what would have happen ? The same thing.....panic , no deposits and then no withdrawals.Sorry for anyone that lost money but that comes with the business , send your money overseas and you are taking a gamble.For all the guys crying about Christmas money ......you shoud not be betting with money that is for things like that.

So SBR decided to let them deposit but get no withdrawals...thx SBR

[Inkwell77]

A lot of sites are tripping over themselves to chime in, even if it's just copy and pasting posts, can guarantee these people aren't on the horn or trying to look for buyers in this unimaginably difficult situation for players. I thought CalvinAyre's site wrote a fair article overall, but these little mom and pop joints are more concerned with fluffing themselves up to stay relevant.

You can't make this stuff up!
Can anyone read a post from this clown and not laugh? Look at his posts.... they're amazing!

SBRLou have you ever passed a class that involved any type of critical thinking?

[boatboatboat]

Shari do you think BI would have been rated a B book if they hadn't flown a banner here?

[bettilimbroke999]

No, they should be banned. I find that disgusting. I ban people for promotion all the time but unfortunately in the case of BI too many ppl were saying how good they were, rated #5 overall, etc. Many of them long time posters so how do you know who was bought or not? Shills do not belong on SBR whether they're for Pinny, 365, 5Dimes or elsewhere.

This will not happen again. I'd rather ban too many people and have them plead their cases than not enough.

Shari dont completely sell your soul to the devil, you know SBR ****** its posters backwards on this one just admit it and keep your mouth shut, cash the last check of posters deposits that BetIslands sent ya and get yourself somethin nice

[Sam Odom]

Pinnacle is paying me $800 a day to say good things about them.... is this true.... no. Just cause he said it doesn't make it true, thats my point.

Just like when you say you arent a paid shill for SBR - doesnt make your denial true

You get my point ?

[5mike5]

You can't make this stuff up!
Can anyone read a post from this clown and not laugh? Look at his posts.... they're amazing!

it really is unbelievable!

shame on SBR brass