Response to LT Profit..

[Nicky Santoro]

So let me get this straight. Line opens at 10am at -150.....Line closes at 7pm at -180. LT takes the -150 at 6.58pm and you are ok with that?

yes, but what makes you think i am also not going to take the -150? you think i am going to take +170?? LOL..

you think i was born yesterday...

[cobra_king]

I didn't say that you wouldn't, but this just may turn into a contest where both of you are just going to take the biggest line moves. This is hardly a contest to see who the best all around capper, line shopper is going to be.

[LT Profits]

Starting tomorrow, I will post at 10:00 AM and 7:00 PM. TODAY ONLY, it will be 3:00 PM and 7:00 PM. Allow 15 minutes leeway at all times just in case life happens. If lines are not up by 10:15 or 7:15, it would become a logistical nightmare as we would automtically go with Pinny line at 10:15 and 7:15, so I could promise you 99% that lines will be up in time.

Good Luck!

[jjgold]

Nicky your a solid guy, you took one for the team just to be in the contest so the boys can see it here at SBR. I salute you.

[cobra_king]

yes, but what makes you think i am also not going to take the -150? you think i am going to take +170??

Actually come to think of it, with your Edmonton bet that's exactly what you did do, even if it did work out for you there.

[LT Profits]

Cobra's point was my exact concern Nicky. Plus I am sure some guys will be following both of us and won't want to see stale lines. Are you absolutely sure you want to do this or do you want to go with my rules as written? It looks like we ARE going to do it one way or another, so that is good at least.

[themajormt]

Nicky your a solid guy, you took one for the team just to be in the contest so the boys can see it here at SBR. I salute you.

I agree Nicky thanks for agreeing to this... We all want to see how its done and hopefully learn something... GL to both of you!!

[themajormt]

I don't think you should be concerned with stale lines at all... If someone decides to tail one of you thats their choice and whatever line they get is what they get. A perfect example of this is Pags plays in NCAAFB. A lot of his prices are amazing and aren't available because he gets them so early. But thats not his fault...

[MonkeyF0cker]

I didn't say that you wouldn't, but this just may turn into a contest where both of you are just going to take the biggest line moves. This is hardly a contest to see who the best all around capper, line shopper is going to be.

Agreed. This will not be a handicapping contest, instead just another stale line showdown. Sad. The option for line shopping/ live lines was on the table too...

[Nicky Santoro]

the only thing that i dont like about this is that's right what cobra said.. we will both have the same plays everyday.. if i make 6 plays tonight, i will assure you 5 of the 6 will be LT's too.. we will just take the 6 biggest moves. if we have 500 plays, 439 of them will be same and it will be a contest of 61 games. trust me on this one.. I dont really care, so lets make it a 1000 game contest and i am in.. it wont be that bad now that i think of it cause of NCAAB too with all those games.. and 1000 games wont take long now cause we will avg about 7 games day, which would make it now only 4 month or so contest ,not 7 months..

theres no other way to do this for me.. it's this or nothing, cause no fukkin way i am going to go through what i went through 2 nights ago.. not worth it for me.

so you make the call, LT

[Iwinyourmoney]

just go by opening lines at penny and call it a contest

[durito]

durito, why aren't you giving lectures at MIT?

On what? How to make money gambling on sports?


It's a rather elementary concept that would be far too basic and boring for smart folks at such a fine institution.

[durito]

just go by opening lines at penny and call it a contest

My dog can win betting into stale opening lines. What would that prove?

[daggerkobe]

durito, why aren't you giving lectures at MIT?

Because they don't dole out professorship for subjects such as "How to romance donkeys" and "How to create fake lives on the Internet."

[LT Profits]

the only thing that i dont like about this is that's right what cobra said.. we will both have the same plays everyday.. if i make 6 plays tonight, i will assure you 5 of the 6 will be LT's too.. we will just take the 6 biggest moves. if we have 500 plays, 439 of them will be same and it will be a contest of 61 games. trust me on this one.. I dont really care, so lets make it a 1000 game contest and i am in.. it wont be that bad now that i think of it cause of NCAAB too with all those games.. and 1000 games wont take long now cause we will avg about 7 games day, which would make it now only 4 month or so contest ,not 7 months..

theres no other way to do this for me.. it's this or nothing, cause no fukkin way i am going to go through what i went through 2 nights ago.. not worth it for me.

so you make the call, LT

But you WON'T go through what happened two nights ago, with three sources. And like I said, two of the three sources now listed in the rules verified your +183 the other night. So what do you say? We are going to do this, we just have to iron out details.

I know one concern for you should be getting past posted. We COULD go with my rules until around 7:00, at which time I could post the Pinny lines and we could consider those "closing" lines. The negative there though is that you don't get your late changes. Any thoughts?

[LT Profits]

Come to think of it, 6:30 would be better with so many 7:00 games.

[jtuck]

just go by opening lines at penny and call it a contest

This is an absolutely terrible way of doing things, won't prove anything about who the better capper is. I don't have a dog in this fight though, at least it's gonna happen.

[Matt Rain]

LT, why are you so intent on choosing specific sources? You should just post what you play and let the forum and/or arbitrator call you out if need be. There's enough of us to verify that you're not pulling lines out of your asses.

That +183 was legit and that's all there is to it. If it weren't, people would have called Nicky out, me included.

Screw the sources. Post the frickin' plays and may the best man win.

[LT Profits]

Well we HAVE to be able to verify lines. That is just common sense.

[LT Profits]

And we would have seen that +183 was legit at Pinny on VI that night, so there would never have been an issue.

[LT Profits]

Also using Matt's logic, we should be able to use any book at all, provided we post the book with our plays.

[Matt Rain]

No, you have to post plays. The whole world will verify your lines and the arbitrator handle disputes. He uses whatever reliable source he damn pleases and confirms/rejects the plays.

[durito]

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[Matt Rain]

And we would have seen that +183 was legit at Pinny on VI that night, so there would never have been an issue.

VI will not necessarily have all the moves all the time, especially the late, frenzied Pinny steam. What then?

That's what you *shouldn't* focus on anyway. That should be the arbitrator's job.

[LT Profits]

Actually that's fine, as you KNOW i will be watching like a hawk.

I personally will post my book to avoid controversy.

Now where's Nicky?

[Matt Rain]

Also using Matt's logic, we should be able to use any book at all, provided we post the book with our plays.

Well, yeah, but you guys agreed on 3 books and you should probably stick to them if you wanna get going before New Year's.

[LT Profits]

That's fine Matt.

We still need Nicky here.

[RogueJuror]

Don't bother doing that 10AM 7PM crap, proves nothing and is a waste of time.

[Nicky Santoro]

LT, i told you 1,000 times, i am not going to do this same shit as before. i learnt my lesson.. this will be a nightmare for 7 months.. forget it.. i am not going to fight you everyday and be accused for cheating for a measly 2k.. i can make more if i bet more instead at books.. i gain nothing by this contest..i am only doing it to shut you up..i already said i'd do the painted lines and see who will end up wtih more units profit at the end.

matty, you amaze me how great your english is.. i swear, you sound like a YALE professor when you talk and your vocabulary is incredible. boys, matty rain is a pure french canadian and speaks with a pure Quebecois accent.. i grew up in MTL speaking ONLY English and this kid types way better than me and his vocab puts me to shame. matty rain, how do you do it, buddy? are you a U DE MTL graduate.. or UQAM graduate, matty?? Hard to believe you're not english, man..

[MonkeyF0cker]

There will be no disputes, Nicky, as long as your lines are verified through 1 of 3 line services and/or an arbitrator. What don't you understand about this?

[Panic]

I dont understand what the hold up is? Nicky has said numerous times, he is in for the opening and closing line idea. Thats it. There is no more to stay. LT, start the tournament or say no.

[LT Profits]

But there won't be any more nightmares. Read Matt's post. Basically, anyone in forum can call bulshit if one of us posts bad line. And no doubt my way is better than stale lines, which would prove nothing.

Wasn't the point of this contest supposed to be which one of us does better using our own approaches? Betting stale line would mprove nothing.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Uhh. Because betting stale lines proves absolutely nothing about handicapping ability, Panic.

[LT Profits]

I dont understand what the hold up is? Nicky has said numerous times, he is in for the opening and closing line idea. Thats it. There is no more to stay. LT, start the tournament or say no.

Because betting stale lines proves nothing and takes all the skill out of the contest, What would be the poiint?

[Panic]

LT, why do you keep pushing this on him? He has made his stance and you keep trying to go another way. HE IS NOT GOING TO DO THAT! Either start the thing or end it. Nothing more Nicky can say.