If Barack Obama Was Light Skinned Would He Be Considered The First Black President?
All I see are black people praising Jesus that a black man is President. Ask yourself this (and by no means is this meant to be racist, although it almost surely will be). Since his mother was white and father african american, had he come out with white features, which he very well could have, he still would have been genetically half white/half black, but would he have been called the first black prez? Which in no way he should be at all because he isn't the first black prez, he is the first MIXED RACE prez...any thoughts on this, because it really burns my ass to think that if he looked white, blacks wouldn't give a shit.
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Really most American black people are only about 70% I think so not a big difference between him and others. I think it does make a difference how he looks because I don't think black people care about previous presidents probably being partially blackComment -
why waste time with such a ridiculous hypothetical
whats the point?Comment -
its not hypothetical that he is 50/50, he isn't hypotheically black, he is not the first black prez...though he is viewed that way...how do you not get the point, what race are you? if you were half russian and half chinese, you wouldn't a full blooded russian prez, you'd be half chinese...Comment -
how much more simple can i put it?Comment -
the thread itself is hypothetical, so who cares. i just dont understand what you are getting at. he is what he is. who cares what he isntComment -
if you have that attitude about it, this thread wasn't meant to attract you...so, if you are going to contribute that it doesn't matter to you, why answer to it? by the way, don't answer that question..bounceComment -
no attitude. whats the point. who cares what he isnt. its stupid. if clinton was mexican, if reagan was chinese. what a stupid pointless waste of time.Comment -
Tiger Woods is half Asian.... but no one ever mentions that.
And who knew Hines Ward was half Korean prior to the Steelers winning the SB?Comment -
Woods is 37.5% asianOriginally posted by daggerkobeTiger Woods is half Asian.... but no one ever mentions that.
And who knew Hines Ward was half Korean prior to the Steelers winning the SB?Comment -
How so?
Wood's mother: 50% Thai 50% Chinese
Wood's father: 50% Black 25% American Indian 25% WhiteComment -
I thought his mom was 25% white but maybe that is bad info I heardOriginally posted by daggerkobeHow so?
Wood's mother: 50% Thai 50% Chinese
Wood's father: 50% Black 25% American Indian 25% WhiteComment -
Originally posted by SportsLockPicks
If he walked into a restaraunt, office or down the street, he would be considered black; blood quantum isn't a factor here. If he filled out an application, he would check the African-American block and no one would question it. He is black for all intents and purposes. Many Americans have American-Indian in us isnce our ancestors raped so many Indian women, we generally have a small quantum, so how do we measure how much we are? Most tribunals require a 25% blood quantum to be considered Indian. Hawaiian natives usually require 50%. It's semantic to decide if is black or not, if he were sitting in the booth next to you you wouldn't bat an eye at him being considered black.
>>>>>>>>>>> because it really burns my ass to think that if he looked white, blacks wouldn't give a shit
Or is just burns your ass that he was elected at all? Lookat it this way, YOUR PARTY IS SO FVCKING LAME THAT I COULD HAVE GOTTEN ELECTED. Quit going to the black thing, the whatever thing, the Republicans have blown it. If it's just a black thing then why were 7 of the 11 governor seats going to Dems? Why did the Dems make a killing in the House and win about 7-9 seats in the Senate? As with most elections, people are voted out or voted around, not voted for, so fix your party by not being a neo-con and maybe it will catch on.Comment -
Ok I looked it up, his mom is 25% white but his dad is actually 25% Chinese so he is 50% asianOriginally posted by rm18
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use common sense. when you see him walking down the street, people view him as a black man. he himself considers himself a black man.
its the same with tiger woods. tiger identifies himself as a black man. when you see him walking down the street he's considered a black man. more or less, who cares. get beyond it man, its 2008.Comment -
From Wiki:
Earl was of mixed African American (50 percent), Chinese (25 percent) and Native American (25 percent) ancestry. Kultida (nee Punsawad), originally from Thailand, is of mixed Thai (50 percent), Chinese (25 percent), and Dutch (25 percent) ancestry. This makes Woods himself one-quarter Chinese, one-quarter Thai, one-quarter African American, one-eighth Native American, and one-eighth Dutch.[9]
So Tiger is more Asian than he is Black. Yet they credit all his accomplishment as Black.
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Success has many fathers but failure is an orphan. It disappoints me that most African-Americans supported Hillary in the primaries because they never really believed that Obama could win. I can understand their pride. I don't see him as the first black president but as the first biracial president. It's a huge milestone for this country nevertheless.Comment -
Put it this way, if he were back in the 50's and wanted a drink of water or to take a dump, which facitiliy would he use? For all intents and purposes, he is balck.Originally posted by TchockyComment -
black people are more racist than white people.Comment -
Very true. For all intensive purposes, they are the reason racism still exists.Originally posted by crispComment -
Oh please, grace me with your scientific data. Or did your diddy tell you this as he and his diddy were watching NASCAR? There are racist people from all races, generalizing that all black peopel are racist is pure genius, eps to include Obama just because. Wan to talk about a biggotted redneck, look no further than the guy you voted in that is currently in office.Originally posted by crispComment -
Excellent point!Originally posted by EBSB52
Obama's "Blackness" really is more of a social commentary than any consideration of exactly how black he is. Our history as a nation is what it is. It can't be ignored. Obama might be that piece of the puzzle where we can finally move past our terrible history of racial oppression, not just here in the USA, but the entire world. I hope I'm right.
Unfortunately, for Obama, I think he will be scrutinized even more harshly than any other president in history because he'll bear the burden as a black man throughout his presidency. What if he fails badly? Is that a commentary about black people? It shouldn't be, but you also could say that black people shouldn't be so proud to have him make the presidency either. It can work both ways. Hopefully, he'll be our best president ever and this point will be moot, nevertheless he's got just that much extra burden to succeed, IMHO.Comment -
Originally posted by slacker00
Right, in science the genetic composition of an organism is called the genotype, it's physical expression is the phenotype. To carry that over to this matter, his geneology and ancesrty don't matter when people view him and call him black. If he were in the 50's drinking from a white fountain, the argument that he is 1/2 white wouldn't carry. OTOH, if a person is very white looking, but has 50% African ancestry, no one would know unless that person says something. We are a society of phenotypes.
It will be fun to watch the world accept his apology, and watch the neo-cons cringe. Neo-cons, in order to keep the military industrial complex flying, try to keep several regions inflamed and Obama will have a different take on that.Comment -
lmfaoOriginally posted by EBSB52
George Bush doesn't like black people. STUF ace. He has had two in his cabinet. Quit taking life advice from Kanye and be realistic. Quit thinking the world owes you shit from 200 years ago.
Black people are the main aggressor at racism. Just take a gander at your comment about Bush. Oh lawd, it be whitey again. Please, using the race card and blaming the white man are what make racism so strong today.Comment -
Originally posted by EBSB52
When you reference nascar and use the word "redneck"...isnt that racism? If people can say the word redneck than all other derogatory words should be allowed as well. It amazes me how redneck is used everywhere and accepted but the N word and others arent. Why is that?Comment -
your assumption that every black person thinks they are owed something is ignorant
i havent met a single black ever, that ever acted like that or said that
not oneComment -
I encourage you to visit Detroit.Originally posted by ryanXL977Comment -
there are other blacks in other cities besides detroit
dont forget that budComment -
Ya I know. I have also lived in DC. Same.Originally posted by ryanXL977
I know not everyone is like that but the fact that the Irish were treated worse then the blacks in American for a period, you don't see the Irish blaming people and asking for shit. Just sayin.Comment -
Historical context. It's not like rednecks & nascar fans were in chains just 150 years ago. It's not like rednecks & nascar fans had Jim Crow segregation laws just 50 years ago. If you graduated high school, you should know these things.Originally posted by Panic
I dream about the day when I can walk up to a random black person and say "n!gger" and it will be something we can both laugh about. The reason why it's still not a laughing matter today is because there are still deep roots of historical inequality built into that little word. It is purely symbolic, but it symbolizes so much. Obama's election is a huge step in the right direction and his presidency will be a shining light of hope for future racial equality.Comment -
this country was builton the backs on blacks. irish came here by choice. 60 years ago blacks were hung for dating white broads in bama, blacks couldnt go to the same schools, couldnt vote. it is not comparable.Originally posted by Deuce
again, this nation was built on the backs of slave labor. yes, slavery is over and i dont think reparations should be paid, but the racism that is ingrained in parts of america isnt remotely comparable to that of the irish or dagosComment -
Deuce is baiting. Annoying when people do that.Comment -
Originally posted by slacker00
Always nice to try and slam people when making a point. Your great. So now you are condoning and justifying using the word redneck. Cant have your cake and eat it too...sorry. If the word redneck is acceptable than all are acceptable. Its a 2 way street.Comment -
put it this way Panic. You go out and call someone a redneck and see what happens. you go out and call a black guy the n word and see what happens. If you used common sense and looked at the history of what the word means you should understand why that's not an appropriate word.Originally posted by Panic
playing the you called me a redneck, I can call you this is stupid.Comment -
Just like the N word is accepted amongst certain groups....like black on black conversations....so is redneck....but send a black guy into a country bar and walk up to a guy and call him a bigotted redneck and see what happens.
You guys arre trying to say the N word is wrong but redneck is okay. Sorry, I'm not buying it. You can sell that sh!t somewhere else. You guys that use the word are just as racists as the guys you are trying to put down. Thats just the way it is. Have a nice day. And spew redneck all you like and keep telling yourself your not racists.
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