if you think penn st would get killed by the florida's, texas's, alabama's, tx tech's

[HedgeHog]

haha this is the most pointless post yet!* Penn State is undefeated, and still they get no respect.Huge Penn State fan here, and all this talk doesn't even phase me.* When we finish the season undefeated, we will play Florida for the national championship.* You can play out all these imaginary fantasy matchups in your head where PSU loses, but ultimately they will not happen brotha....Stop punishing the team because of the conference!!!

What's pointless is an admitted PS fan trying to convince an informed sports forum that PS is one of the two best teams in the country (all because of a 0 in the loss column). Very lame.

[element1286]

Penn St is not even a Top 10 team. I can name a dozen teams that can beat them on a neutral field.

Yes they are. Top 5 or 6 for sure.

[hoopster42]

So Hoopster are you predicting Penn ST to win the title?

too early to say. i think theyre gona get there though. they will be a sizable underdog it appears because most of the country it seems is underestimating then, thats fine by me, i like betting dogs in natl title gms, not asking them to win, just to cover

[HedgeHog]

Yes they are. Top 5 or 6 for sure.

9th at best. For sure Tex, Fla, Ala, TT, OK,Ok St, GA and USC are all better,

[Buckeye]

Penn State is not that good. They should have lost to OSU, if not for the Prior fumble. They will lose to Florida or any other team they play if they make the National Championship!!!

[patsfan2727]

I never claimed they are 2nd in the nation now. I claimed that 10 teams cannot beat them. and whoever said GA is better is smoking crack, they SUCK this season. So is everybody here in agreement that regardless of what Penn State does, they cannot be deemed a 1 or 2 ranking? is anybody getting my point here???

[TheAnswer03]

Joe Pa's final year. He's going out on top baby!

[KKoz9]

Penn St is not even a Top 10 team. I can name a dozen teams that can beat them on a neutral field.

Funniest and most ridiculous post in this ridiculous thread of Penn St. bashers...they are as good as any team in the country and will prove it...if given the chance that is. Everyone overrates the SEC and the "brilliant" BCS will probably take a one loss team ahead of 12-0 Penn St.

It is worth mentioning that the coaches poll, the only intelligent one, still has them as number 2 and you can bet not a single one of them want to play PSU.

What are their inherent flaws? None - they are a complete team. Anyone who just makes a blanket statement is that "10 teams are better" and provides not one shred of reasoning is ignorant.

Not a single one of these teams is clearly better than PSU:

Alabama - unspectacular offense that couldn't come from behind if needed. Will lose...maybe this weekend.

Texas Tech - blew their load last week and will lose 2 games - a non-factor

Florida - looking good but if mighty Mississippi can beat them...

Texas - suspect defense and one-dimensional offense

Oklahoma - all around team but not clearly better than anyone mentioned...or Penn St.

USC - another team capable of laying an egg...obviously

Okla St - lost to the only quality team they played so far

LSU and Georgia - completely overrated jokes

No one else even worth mentioning.

If these teams are so great, why have they all lost? (Don't bring up Texas Tech either because they are a joke unless you think one big upset - at home against your bigest rival - equal a great team). Great teams don't lose to inferior competition.

I have no affiliation or ties to Penn St., hell, I live in Dallas, but I'm just realistic. Who gives a shit who they play...that's no reflection of their quality.

Besides that, I would put Ohio St., Michigan State, Minnesota, Northwestern, Iowa, Illinois, and Wisconsin up against any 2-8 place teams in ANY conference. Whoever thinks different is biased and delusional....but then again the saying goes "opinions are like a$$holes, everyone's got one"...or is it "every a$$shole has an opinion"?

[HedgeHog]

How far will Penn St drop if they lose to Iowa tomorrow--probably behind all those teams I named? Big Ten is an inferior conference this year, so I don't put much stock in PS's undefeated record.

[KKoz9]

So will any other team that loses tomorrow or late in the year period.

What so great about Alabama, Florida, USC, Oklahoma, OK State, and Texas Tech's schedule? They have only played one or two ranked, legit teams each....just like Penn St...and some of them LOST. Texas is the only real battle-tested team - but lost too.

Yes, the Big 12 is the best conference...this year, but who else is the Big 10 inferior to? The SEC, with the likes of Arkansas, Kentucky, the Mississippis, Vandy and Tennessee? I don't see it. Yes they have 3 or 4 good teams too, but so does Big 10. I don't see it.

Give credit where it is due.

[bostonbasher]

Penn St is not even a Top 10 team. I can name a dozen teams that can beat them on a neutral field.

tool alert

[THEGREAT30]

If u think we need a playoffs put your cheers up

[bostonbasher]

Penn State is not that good. They should have lost to OSU, if not for the Prior fumble. They will lose to Florida or any other team they play if they make the National Championship!!!

LOVE ARMCHAIR QB'S, guy never played a sport in his life and makes this comment"they should have lost",WELL THEY DIDNT,THATS WHAT GOOD TEAMS DO,FIND WAYS TO WIN.

"if not for the Pryor fumble" Thats like saying,Obama should have lost,if not for the election, you are a complete jackass

[HedgeHog]

Big 12, SEC and ACC are far superior conferences than the Big 10. So PS is perfect in a wussy conference. Their non-conference schedule includes wins over Coastal Carolina, Temple and Syracuse. Maybe they can beat Little Sisters of the Poor in a BCS Bowl so you can make them National Champs.

[Buckeye]

Speak for Yourself

LOVE ARMCHAIR QB'S, guy never played a sport in his life and makes this comment"they should have lost",WELL THEY DIDNT,THATS WHAT GOOD TEAMS DO,FIND WAYS TO WIN.

"if not for the Pryor fumble" Thats like saying,Obama should have lost,if not for the election, you are a complete jackass

Speak for yourself jackass. I played football and basketball. What did you play smartass. Penn State still sucks!!!

[HedgeHog]

once again, judge the team, not its' competition. basically what it boils down to is this. according to many people who do not like penn state, THEY CANNOT COMPETE FOR THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO. win em all, sucks, too bad, try again next year to go undefeated and hope your competition doesn't suck so bad! mark may can suck mah balls

So Utah and Ball St should play for the the Title if everyone else has a loss? Remember, judge the team not the competition. Repeating a dumb phrase doesn't make it right.

[KKoz9]

Big 12, SEC and ACC are far superior conferences than the Big 10. So PS is perfect in a wussy conference. Their non-conference schedule includes wins over Coastal Carolina, Temple and Syracuse. Maybe they can beat Little Sisters of the Poor in a BCS Bowl so you can make them National Champs.

You've really turned me around on this...let's have another two loss team take the title...losses mean nothing. Tennessee for national champion from the mighty SEC because they played one hell of a schedule and should have won them all.

You sir, are delusional and undoubtedly an idiot. Why don't you bend over, put your head between your legs and kiss your own ass as it would be more interesting than you're ignorant posts.

[laxdjock]

PSU has a shot because of schedule, not talent. I have backed PSU in the past because I love Joe Pa, but I most likely wouldn't bet on them to win in a big bowl game. USC is the real deal. UF is the real deal. Bama (if they hold on and beat LSU will have to be considered a solid threat).

[laxdjock]

I love Texas Tech too....but only because they win me money...not if my life was on the line and they had to win at a neutral site against someone like USC.

[unde0087]

I guess we don't have to worry about this thread or other bullshit threads like it, thank god we won't have any Big 10 posers in the national championship

[jjgold]

Well Penn St is out

Played a decent team on road and lost

[daggerkobe]

I had a feeling this thread would be bumped up.

[teaserpleaser]

BIG 10 is shit... I watched Illinois lose to a damn MAC team now your best shot at a national title loses to a average Iowa team.

[tacomax]

Nice call, hoopster.

[hoopster42]

you guys were right about penn state. i drank the kool-aid and got poisoned by it

[Gundog]

Hum
Where is Fruppy?
It's game day. Gee Whizz
There has to be a winner and a looser, it dont matter if you are a mac team, big ten, sec, wac.
Someone has got to loose

[Buckeye]

Iowa did what Ohio State should have done beat a good but not great Penn State team. I figured they would win the rest of theie games and then get beat down in the National Championship. Don't have to see that now!!!

[HedgeHog]

You've really turned me around on this...let's have another two loss team take the title...losses mean nothing. Tennessee for national champion from the mighty SEC because they played one hell of a schedule and should have won them all.

You sir, are delusional and undoubtedly an idiot. Why don't you bend over, put your head between your legs and kiss your own ass as it would be more interesting than you're ignorant posts.

This idiot just cashed on Iowa. Why don't YOU kiss my ass. Make it quick, because Bostonbasher and PatsFan are anxious for their turn!

[teaserpleaser]

Hum
Where is Fruppy?
It's game day. Gee Whizz
There has to be a winner and a looser, it dont matter if you are a mac team, big ten, sec, wac.
Someone has got to loose

Theres no excuse for Illinois a team that played in the Rose bowl last year that brings back alot of the same players to lose to Western Michigan, Michigan should not be losing to Toledo period... let alone at the big house Theres no way you can tell me the MAC has better players. The Big 10 is crap.

[Gundog]

What im telling you is there is a winner and a looser period. Mac, Wac, Pack, Big 11. This is this year not last year.

[Panic]

Everyone pretty much knew Penn St was a fraud. Just a few were still fooled by their weak schedule.

[The Seer]

Funniest and most ridiculous post in this ridiculous thread of Penn St. bashers...they are as good as any team in the country and will prove it...if given the chance that is. Everyone overrates the SEC and the "brilliant" BCS will probably take a one loss team ahead of 12-0 Penn St.

It is worth mentioning that the coaches poll, the only intelligent one, still has them as number 2 and you can bet not a single one of them want to play PSU.

What are their inherent flaws? None - they are a complete team. Anyone who just makes a blanket statement is that "10 teams are better" and provides not one shred of reasoning is ignorant.

Not a single one of these teams is clearly better than PSU:

Alabama - unspectacular offense that couldn't come from behind if needed. Will lose...maybe this weekend.

Texas Tech - blew their load last week and will lose 2 games - a non-factor

Florida - looking good but if mighty Mississippi can beat them...

Texas - suspect defense and one-dimensional offense

Oklahoma - all around team but not clearly better than anyone mentioned...or Penn St.

USC - another team capable of laying an egg...obviously

Okla St - lost to the only quality team they played so far

LSU and Georgia - completely overrated jokes

No one else even worth mentioning.

If these teams are so great, why have they all lost? (Don't bring up Texas Tech either because they are a joke unless you think one big upset - at home against your bigest rival - equal a great team). Great teams don't lose to inferior competition.

I have no affiliation or ties to Penn St., hell, I live in Dallas, but I'm just realistic. Who gives a shit who they play...that's no reflection of their quality.

Besides that, I would put Ohio St., Michigan State, Minnesota, Northwestern, Iowa, Illinois, and Wisconsin up against any 2-8 place teams in ANY conference. Whoever thinks different is biased and delusional....but then again the saying goes "opinions are like a$$holes, everyone's got one"...or is it "every a$$shole has an opinion"?

Hum, let's see:

Alabama: better
TTech: better
Florida: better
Texas: better
Oklahoma: better
USC: better
Okl. State: better
Lsu and Geo: most likely better too as well as a couple more ACC teams and Big 12 teams. I'm not so sure they could beat South Carolina.

[The Seer]

Ball St and Utah are undefeated too--are they title teams too? You're too impressed with a zero in the loss column. Look at strength of schedule for God's sake!

Nice post hedge.

[The Seer]

no, i dont see it. iowa is a nice little team, they run the ball well, they play feisty defense, esp at home, but they cant throw it with any consistency, they dont have the horses to keep up with penn states offensive speed and explosiveness
this game will be close for half, but i envision penn state pulling away in the second half and winning by DD
in short, they have more answers for iowa's pedestrian offense than vice versa, iowa, while a bit stingy on D, will not be able to keep penn state's explosiveness in check the whole game, they'll tire by the late 3rd quarter and the nittany lions will make their move and pull away

Penn State is a nice little team. They just don't have the ball sack to play with the big boys.

[The Seer]

i am a product of listening to the bull shit of sports fans and sports bettors for so many yrs, that this is why i am who i am on this board

sports fan are for the most part a joke, they spew their opinions around with no knowledge of what they are talking about, then when they see that you were right and they were wrong, most of them arent man enough to say 'nice call man, i was wrong'

sports bettors are even worse at this than sports fans

there were so many ppl who were saying just a few wks ago that texas 08 > texas 05, i called it complete nonsense and explained exactly why

think they are giving me any credit for my CORRECT opinion? of course not

so i take the credit myself

FUKK EVERYBODY WHO THINKS THEY KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT SPORTS

YOU DONT KNOW 5% OF WHAT YOU THINK YOU DO

It's when you come on here spewing this stuff that you get ridiculed. Looks like you don't know so much either.

a month ago i said USC v FLORIDA

now i am saying PENN STATE v FLORIDA

that is only 3 teams in 10 wks of cfb

some ppl here change every week, but i have not wavered on florida

one thing i know for sure is that the georgia puss-dogs WILL NOT be there but i am quite sure it is EXTREMELY disappointing
for all the fans in athens and around the country who were expecting a bcs title run

NOPE, back to the capital one bowl or whereever the hell that team goes most seasons

Who are you picking now. You are running out of teams. This is the very reason I don't drink the Kool-Aid about teams. No team is as good as it's best game or as bad as it's worst. I take all emotion out of gambling.