BREAKING NEWS: OBAMA IS WINNING.... read on

[mp5070]

More Than 27 Million Votes Have Already Been Placed In 30 States And I Have Learned That Obama Is Winning The Race In A Landslide!!!!!!!!!!!

Obama Is Already A Winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I Know That The Electoral College Decides The Winner... But It Is Based On The Votes Decided By The Citizens.....

Obama Is The Winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Robust]

More Than 27 Million Votes Have Already Been Placed In 30 States And I Have Learned That Obama Is Winning The Race In A Landslide!!!!!!!!!!!

Obama Is Already A Winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I Know That The Electoral College Decides The Winner... But It Is Based On The Votes Decided By The Citizens.....

Obama Is The Winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

remember bush/gore? the votes did not decide that one.. lol

but i am sure Obama will win..

Robust

[unde0087]

I know this is the NFL section but I feel compelled to say this. All of us on here that have worked are asses off to become comfortable in live, many starting their own businesses using the opportunity this great country gives us only to be penalized by Obama's plan to share the wealth. I am sorry but if you don't have money go out and earn it instead of wanting money from those of us who have earned ours. I think it is rediculous to try and turn this country into a socialist anything. But good plan Obama, lets penalize the people who made something of themselves.

[MJFtheGenius]

Obama had no idea what hes getting into

country will be on fire within a week

[manofmyth]

oh yah, much better than voting a 72 year old with a ditz for a VP........makes great logical sense there.......

As Chris Rock said, you can't be 72 and start a new job!!!!!!

[Justin7]

I know this is the NFL section but I feel compelled to say this. All of us on here that have worked are asses off to become comfortable in live, many starting their own businesses using the opportunity this great country gives us only to be penalized by Obama's plan to share the wealth. I am sorry but if you don't have money go out and earn it instead of wanting money from those of us who have earned ours. I think it is rediculous to try and turn this country into a socialist anything. But good plan Obama, lets penalize the people who made something of themselves.

Bush ran up his credit card balance. He spent more than any other admin ever has, and left the debt for the next president. When you carry that kind of debt, you have to pay it off.

Obama will spend less than Bush. Taxes will be higher for awhile, courtesy of "W". But under McCain, you'll have higher taxes or bankruptcy for our country (again courtesy of "W").

[ryanXL977]

country is already of fire jackass

[yisman]

More Than 27 Million Votes Have Already Been Placed In 30 States And I Have Learned That Obama Is Winning The Race In A Landslide!!!!!!!!!!!

Obama Is Already A Winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I Know That The Electoral College Decides The Winner... But It Is Based On The Votes Decided By The Citizens.....

Obama Is The Winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Breaking News: mp5070 is still an idiot.

Carry on.

[unde0087]

Bush ran up his credit card balance. He spent more than any other admin ever has, and left the debt for the next president. When you carry that kind of debt, you have to pay it off.

Obama will spend less than Bush. Taxes will be higher for awhile, courtesy of "W". But under McCain, you'll have higher taxes or bankruptcy for our country (again courtesy of "W").

First off Bush isn't running, McCain is, second OBama has been in Senate for about 10 minutes and you think he has all the answers? Ya, your right, socialism is what we need, we will save the nation on the principle of giving money to people who don't earn it. Yes, this will save us all, good thing we have Obama who doesn't even know his own plan. One week it is they will tax the people who make over 200K, then 150K, then 100K, then back to 150K. This guy doesn't have a clue. Right now he is saying whatever will get him elected and the problem is people are buying in to this bullshit. Every country in the world is going to test this guy in the first year and he won't know what to do. But yes, lets take money away from people who worked all their lives to build and give it away to others. So lets teach people don't work hard and make something of yourself because if you do we will punish you by raising your taxes and take that away from you. Instead be a person who complains about not having a job because you staying at home and didn't go to school and better yourself. Sounds like a winner to me. A higher standard of living is achieved not given. This thinking has never worked and this just in, it still wont.

[MoneySportsGuy]

First off Bush isn't running, McCain is, second OBama has been in Senate for about 10 minutes and you think he has all the answers? Ya, your right, socialism is what we need, we will save the nation on the principle of giving money to people who don't earn it. Yes, this will save us all, good thing we have Obama who doesn't even know his own plan. One week it is they will tax the people who make over 200K, then 150K, then 100K, then back to 150K. This guy doesn't have a clue. Right now he is saying whatever will get him elected and the problem is people are buying in to this bullshit. Every country in the world is going to test this guy in the first year and he won't know what to do. But yes, lets take money away from people who worked all their lives to build and give it away to others. So lets teach people don't work hard and make something of yourself because if you do we will punish you by raising your taxes and take that away from you. Instead be a person who complains about not having a job because you staying at home and didn't go to school and better yourself. Sounds like a winner to me. A higher standard of living is achieved not given. This thinking has never worked and this just in, it still wont.

wow now thats a good post

[yisman]

[Deuce]

Yisman,

Solid vid pal. Wont open any liberals eyes though. He is the messiah.

[Deuce]

First off Bush isn't running, McCain is, second OBama has been in Senate for about 10 minutes and you think he has all the answers? Ya, your right, socialism is what we need, we will save the nation on the principle of giving money to people who don't earn it. Yes, this will save us all, good thing we have Obama who doesn't even know his own plan. One week it is they will tax the people who make over 200K, then 150K, then 100K, then back to 150K. This guy doesn't have a clue. Right now he is saying whatever will get him elected and the problem is people are buying in to this bullshit. Every country in the world is going to test this guy in the first year and he won't know what to do. But yes, lets take money away from people who worked all their lives to build and give it away to others. So lets teach people don't work hard and make something of yourself because if you do we will punish you by raising your taxes and take that away from you. Instead be a person who complains about not having a job because you staying at home and didn't go to school and better yourself. Sounds like a winner to me. A higher standard of living is achieved not given. This thinking has never worked and this just in, it still wont.

Right on point here, ace. 100% true.

[tacomax]

One week it is they will tax the people who make over 200K, then 150K, then 100K, then back to 150K.

So, he'll change the level of taxes on a weekly basis then?

This guy doesn't have a clue.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

[yisman]

^ Obama has proven he can't keep his story straight.

[MonkeyF0cker]

The idea that all this money goes to the homeless and habitually unemployed is ludicrous. The fact is, there is an ever increasing disparity between the über rich and the middle class. The middle class has seen its purchasing power dwindle for many years now. By using tax money from the upper class to increase the standard of living of the middle class, it only stimulates growth from the ground up. Members of the middle class will be able to stimulate the economy with higher spending and will be capable of pursuing entreprenuerial ventures with lesser risk. His plan is not simply to give lazy people welfare. It is amazing how some of you eat all the BS you are fed.

[wtf]

oh really, you know EXACTLY how he is going to implement his economic strategy? and his share the wealth ethos?

[MonkeyF0cker]

Read his book, nimrod. Maybe you'd have a clue then. That's where the whole "redistribution" idea was articulated.

[Dark Horse]

It is at least somewhat comforting to realize, if only one last time, the level of ignorance of Reich wingers.

How does that work? To base your opinion entirely on soundbites? Do you still sleep at night, or do you have nightmares, or are you just unconscious 24/7?

[wtf]

nimrod? only a nimrod would buy his book and read it. and when was it written? before or after this massive bailout? yes i know before, so the landscape changed. welcome to reality. go back to school and live with your left wing professors in fantasy land.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Yeah, only nimrods want to learn about the political philosophies of their Presidential candidates, right? How obtuse can you be? Were you to have the intelligence and capability to actually sit and read a book from cover to cover, you'd know that the bailout actually adds credence to his argument. Only someone extremely irrational and ignorant would make a comment such as that. The preponderance that acquiring that knowledge makes you a nimrod is quite perplexing but completely synchronous with the general idiocy of the constituency.

[wtf]

did i call you a name? i just asked for details about his grand plan. i mean he has so much experience, and so accomplished. yes he got good grades in school. amazing!

i really dont care what a junior senator has to say frankly, he got lucky bush was a mediocre pres. and dems did not choose a woman.

keep up the infintile name calling, that is all you got. now go bust blood vesel watchin o'rielly u queer.

[MonkeyF0cker]

I guess it's pretty obvious that you are incapable of reading a book on your own as you can't even remember the content of your posts in this thread. Where exactly did you ask for the details of Obama's "redistribution" plan? It's pretty safe to say that you made some ignorant assumptions about it in this thread, however. It's pretty obvious that you don't care about actually learning anything about the Presidential candidates, rather resorting to listening to political propaganda to fuel your rage. That wasn't name calling, that was simply a descriptor. Anyone who is that uninformed about the candidates on the eve of the election is about as dense as they come. And, FYI, I voted for the dumbass currently in office in his first term. Some people actually learn from their mistakes.

[unde0087]

The idea that all this money goes to the homeless and habitually unemployed is ludicrous. The fact is, there is an ever increasing disparity between the über rich and the middle class. The middle class has seen its purchasing power dwindle for many years now. By using tax money from the upper class to increase the standard of living of the middle class, it only stimulates growth from the ground up. Members of the middle class will be able to stimulate the economy with higher spending and will be capable of pursuing entreprenuerial ventures with lesser risk. His plan is not simply to give lazy people welfare. It is amazing how some of you eat all the BS you are fed.

Okay, Monkey, I will make this real easy this time since it seems you didn't get it the first time. Okay, redistribution or also known as Socialism, actually takes away the entreprenuerial spirit you talk about it creating. Example: someone that makes 70,000 a year isn't going to have the same incentive to better himself/herself and inturn better the community, etc. because if they go over that 100,000 mark they will be taxed harder taking those extra profits away from the person who worked their ass off to get and give it to someone else. Why would someone continue to work harder and have that same spirit when they know a larger chunk of their money is going to be taken from them? Government gets too involved in spreading the wealth inturn takes away the entreprenuerial spirit of its people. What incentive would you have if you knew because you became successful, you were going to get taxed harder than someone who just does enough to get by? And no, I am not talking about welfare people and the unemployed. I am talking about non-educated people working low income jobs. Those people get breaks for not going to school and bettering themselves but yet we are going to tax the shit out of people who do educate themselves? Just don't believe this is what is going to turn things around and I don't need to read this morons books to know this is a dumbass idea. Socialism hasn't worked and it sure as hell isn't good for a country founded on opportunity.

If he is elected I am really interested in the security of our nation and how he handles other countries, especially terrorist countries who will test him early on. If he is weak like he appears to be then we are not going to be very safe anymore even on our home ground. If that is the case he will loose popularity very fast.

[MBENZ]

Okay, Monkey, I will make this real easy this time since it seems you didn't get it the first time. Okay, redistribution or also known as Socialism, actually takes away the entreprenuerial spirit you talk about it creating. Example: someone that makes 70,000 a year isn't going to have the same incentive to better himself/herself and inturn better the community, etc. because if they go over that 100,000 mark they will be taxed harder taking those extra profits away from the person who worked their ass off to get and give it to someone else. Why would someone continue to work harder and have that same spirit when they know a larger chunk of their money is going to be taken from them? Government gets too involved in spreading the wealth inturn takes away the entreprenuerial spirit of its people. What incentive would you have if you knew because you became successful, you were going to get taxed harder than someone who just does enough to get by? And no, I am not talking about welfare people and the unemployed. I am talking about non-educated people working low income jobs. Those people get breaks for not going to school and bettering themselves but yet we are going to tax the shit out of people who do educate themselves? Just don't believe this is what is going to turn things around and I don't need to read this morons books to know this is a dumbass idea. Socialism hasn't worked and it sure as hell isn't good for a country founded on opportunity.

If he is elected I am really interested in the security of our nation and how he handles other countries, especially terrorist countries who will test him early on. If he is weak like he appears to be then we are not going to be very safe anymore even on our home ground. If that is the case he will loose popularity very fast.

Glad to see that someone has their head screwed on straight,unfortunatly the ones disputing you fall into the catagory you describe I'm sure.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Fundamental question: Do you believe some earning $100k will take home less than someone earning $70k under Obama or any president? If so, you're wrong. If not, the incentive to earn more is still there.

More purchasing power for the middle class means that success in entrepreneurial enterprises are more likely. People do not start businesses solely for the reason of making more money. There is an inherent freedom associated with it. There are many people who despise their job, their boss, etc. They may have a dream to have their own business. There are a lot of other reasons they may wish to pursue such a venture.

Socialism doesn't work on its own and neither does capitalism. If you know anything about the bailout, you'd know that the banks took on high risk positions to attempt to maximize profits. Due to a lack of regulations, the banks were able to pursue greedy positions in attempts to line their pockets at the risk of the financial well-being of their clientele. If it weren't for socialist programs such as the FDIC, people may have lost their savings, 401K's, etc. There is a balance between capitalism and socialism that has to be met to ensure stability but not suffocate productivity. Obama's tax plan is nothing drastic.

It is merely raising the top tax brackets by several percentage points. This is not sweeping reform in any sense. Taxes will need to be raised somewhere to pay for the massive debt that has accumulated over the last 8 years. Should the middle class bare the brunt of this debt? Someone has to.

You would do yourself a great service to read his book as it will inform you about his positions and give you greater insight into his thought process. He is not advocating anything that significantly reduces the incentive to earn more or succeed. To come to that conclusion is absurd. You may also look no further than Clinton's tax code which raised the upper tax bracket percentages. This was the method he used to pay off the debt that he inherited.

[JC]

Okay, Monkey, I will make this real easy this time since it seems you didn't get it the first time. Okay, redistribution or also known as Socialism, actually takes away the entreprenuerial spirit you talk about it creating. Example: someone that makes 70,000 a year isn't going to have the same incentive to better himself/herself and inturn better the community, etc. because if they go over that 100,000 mark they will be taxed harder taking those extra profits away from the person who worked their ass off to get and give it to someone else. Why would someone continue to work harder and have that same spirit when they know a larger chunk of their money is going to be taken from them? Government gets too involved in spreading the wealth inturn takes away the entreprenuerial spirit of its people. What incentive would you have if you knew because you became successful, you were going to get taxed harder than someone who just does enough to get by? And no, I am not talking about welfare people and the unemployed. I am talking about non-educated people working low income jobs. Those people get breaks for not going to school and bettering themselves but yet we are going to tax the shit out of people who do educate themselves? Just don't believe this is what is going to turn things around and I don't need to read this morons books to know this is a dumbass idea. Socialism hasn't worked and it sure as hell isn't good for a country founded on opportunity.

If he is elected I am really interested in the security of our nation and how he handles other countries, especially terrorist countries who will test him early on. If he is weak like he appears to be then we are not going to be very safe anymore even on our home ground. If that is the case he will loose popularity very fast.

Unde, I have seen you use the term socialism several times. If McCain were advocating a flat tax, I might support your distiction. But the fact is that McCain and the Republicans support a progressive tax where those who earn more pay a higher marginal rate.

Yes, Obama wants to raise the top rate to where it was during the Clinton administration. Let's look at the top rates:

W 35%
Clinton 39.6%
Bush I 31%
Reagan 28%

So yes, W lowered the top rate, but it was still higher than his father had it. Does that make W a socialist?

Like it or not the Federal government is a giant redistribution machine whether it is paying for social programs or redistributing it to defense contractors. It's what they do. It's disgusting. McCain has pledged to cut everything but defense. Well defense is where a lot of the unnecessary spending is! Do we really need a missile that can hit an outhouse from space?

I am a conservative. I am opposed to higher taxes. I wish the Republicans would govern as they talk, limited government and increased personal responsibility. (That used to be on Senator Kyl's website.) Instead they have expanded the Federal government, want to be in everybody's personal business, including sex and gambling, trampled the Constitution, and have spent the country into oblivion.

They have taken the national debt from $4 trillion to $10 trillion. They spent too much money, they need to pay for it now, they can't keep going on this path. The money has to come from somewhere.

I am for a flat tax with NO deductions. Until someone offers that, they are all socialists to me.

[datek23]

Do not believe the polls. Al Gore was winning was announced the president, remember that? Do not believe nothing until 100% confirmed. What media project winners after 1% of the vote in and that is pretty stupid of them.

More Than 27 Million Votes Have Already Been Placed In 30 States And I Have Learned That Obama Is Winning The Race In A Landslide!!!!!!!!!!!

Obama Is Already A Winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I Know That The Electoral College Decides The Winner... But It Is Based On The Votes Decided By The Citizens.....

Obama Is The Winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[apk2k6]

Public libraries and schools are a form of Socialism, afraid of those too?

For those who are saying people need to get off of their asses and get jobs....Do you really think that every person in America can get a job? There are not enough jobs, we need to create more. I'm a college student and I remember 5 months ago, looking for a job was very very difficult.

Capitalism believes in keeping the poor, poor, and keeping the rich, rich. I believe everyone should have the same opportunity, and people's lives should not be determined whether they are born into a very unprivileged family or a very wealthy family where everything is handed to them and their life is set.

[EBSB52]

I know this is the NFL section but I feel compelled to say this. All of us on here that have worked are asses off to become comfortable in live, many starting their own businesses using the opportunity this great country gives us only to be penalized by Obama's plan to share the wealth. I am sorry but if you don't have money go out and earn it instead of wanting money from those of us who have earned ours. I think it is rediculous to try and turn this country into a socialist anything. But good plan Obama, lets penalize the people who made something of themselves.

Please tell me how Obama is going to take from you and give to the poor. How does the legislative process work where that happens? Tax collection and revenue distribution are different processes usually done at different sessions. If they happen simultaneously it's by coincidence. Legislators draft spending bills w/o consideration of tax rate, that s/b evident by the fact that we have been a debtor nation since our inception and almost always run a debt.

Saying that Obama is going to turn your oh so beloved meoney into poor people's wealth is like saying you can turn fat into muscle. Of course these are different tissues that are created differently. You can't use bone tissue to perform a heart transplant, etc...

At best you can say that if you earn over 250k/yr that your taxes will increase. I don't knwo how much you earn, but hearing a guy whine who earns 250k/yr, 500k/yr or a mill a year or more makes my heart ache

[EBSB52]

Breaking News: mp5070 is still an idiot.

Carry on.

Unbelievable, you called me a moron, this guy an idiot and then had the gall to complain that I was calling you names, which wasn't true, but if was, can you see why? Here, I'll call you a name: HYPOCRITE.

[EBSB52]

First off Bush isn't running, McCain is, second OBama has been in Senate for about 10 minutes and you think he has all the answers? Ya, your right, socialism is what we need, we will save the nation on the principle of giving money to people who don't earn it. Yes, this will save us all, good thing we have Obama who doesn't even know his own plan. One week it is they will tax the people who make over 200K, then 150K, then 100K, then back to 150K. This guy doesn't have a clue. Right now he is saying whatever will get him elected and the problem is people are buying in to this bullshit. Every country in the world is going to test this guy in the first year and he won't know what to do. But yes, lets take money away from people who worked all their lives to build and give it away to others. So lets teach people don't work hard and make something of yourself because if you do we will punish you by raising your taxes and take that away from you. Instead be a person who complains about not having a job because you staying at home and didn't go to school and better yourself. Sounds like a winner to me. A higher standard of living is achieved not given. This thinking has never worked and this just in, it still wont.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>OBama has been in Senate for about 10 minutes


4 years, state senate for 8 years, as well as many, many other accomplishments out of politics.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>you think he has all the answers


Apparently the country does, this must be a case where teh tiny minority of people are right and the huge majority are wrong, huh?


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ya, your right, socialism is what we need, we will save the nation on the principle of giving money to people who don't earn it.


You must be talking about the 750B bailout welfare program. Yea, that does suck.


>>>>>>>>>>>>Yes, this will save us all, good thing we have Obama who doesn't even know his own plan.


Surely you must be kidding. Obama has laid out his plan constantly. McSame has yet to say anything fiscal except, "friends, I won't raise your taxes" just like GHWB said.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>But yes, lets take money away from people who worked all their lives to build and give it away to others.


Read what I wrote about the fallacy of this concept of taking from a wealthy person and giving to a poor, it is legislatively disconnected and unrelated.


>>>>>>>>>>>>A higher standard of living is achieved not given.

Untrue, it is often stolen, inherited and obtained a variety of other ways.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>This thinking has never worked and this just in, it still wont.


Really, why is it that Socialized nations are killing our dollar? It appears that quasi-Socialism / Capitalism are the best fiscal systems in the world.

[yisman]

Unbelievable, you called me a moron, this guy an idiot and then had the gall to complain that I was calling you names, which wasn't true, but if was, can you see why? Here, I'll call you a name: HYPOCRITE.

Listen, moron, you started it. I finish it.

"neocon", my ass. Bite me.

[yisman]

Obama spent 2007 and 2008 campaigning. He did manage to squeeze in a few "present" votes here and there, though.

[EBSB52]

Listen, moron, you started it. I finish it.

"neocon", my ass. Bite me.

Hahahaaha, don't lose your cool, name-caller


I think it's funnier that you get angered by name calling than anything. Truth is, you can't address the issues or data/citations, so you look for spelling, name-calling, etc as a diversion.

Now, let's cover the neo-con thing. Saying/calling someone a neo-con isn't defamatory, it's identifying someone's ideology. Neo = new, con = conservative; that's not defamatory, altho by today's standard no one wants to be one, even if their political attributes are such. Political and/or ideological identities are:

- Conservative
- Neo-con
- Republican
- Democrat
- Liberal
- Fascist
- Libertarian
- Green Party
- Nazi Party
- And soooooooo many others.

The diference between conservatives and neo-cons are that since Reagan the conservative ideals have changed, but they're still Republicans and considered conservatives, but not really, so the term, "neo-con" was coined. A neo-con believes that the government should offload tons of cash to corporations by gift or by radical tax cuts/loopholes. Whereas traditional conservatives like Eisenhower are against and warned us of the military industrial complex. But see, neo-cons aren't exactly new, they're a rehash of Hoover economics.

So my point is, I wasn't name calling or denograting you, I was merely classifying you by your statements. I still think it's funny that you call names and then vehemently denounce it in others.