John Morrison 2013-14 NBA Thread

[play4win]

another c loss!
another total losing streaks.
this is like nba baskeball run!

[BCC585]

I can't wait for the winter olympics to be done.
Wallco's NHL system has treated me well for balancing out NBA losses.

[Wallco99]

Wallco NBA Chase 110
2013-14 System to Date: 52-3 (fin. series)
System profit/loss: -5.65 units (fin. series)
Current open series: 2 (-2.20 units)

(2/11/14):
#57 Atlanta (+1½) (A) - Loss


v1 Plays
(A) 32-25
(B) 12-11
(C) 4-7
(D) 4-3
Losses: NYK (-18.45 u), MIL (-20.76 u), ORL (-18.45 u)



Games for (2/12/14):
#56 Philadelphia (+7½) @ Utah (B) (9:05 pm EST)
#57 Atlanta (+6½) @ Toronto (B) (7:05 pm EST)
#58 Denver (+6) @ Minnesota (A) (8:05 pm EST)
#59 Denver @ Minnesota (M/L) (A) (8:05 pm EST)
#60 Sacramento (+5) @ N.Y. Knicks (A) (7:35 pm EST)



We will ALWAYS play the M/L on favorites and the point spread (-110) on dogs. The team underlined and highlighted blue is the play. There is no point buying in this system, with one exception, if your team is the favorite, and buying down to a (-½) point spread is cheaper than playing the M/L, then by all means, buy the points, otherwise, M/L on all favorites and point spread on dogs. All results will be based on this principle. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the dog team, and who is the favorite on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines. I will try to update my post as often as I can throughout the day if the lines do change. However, it is the individual bettor’s responsibility to get the appropriate line if it differs from the line in my post.
System rules and backtest can be found in posts #44 & #45.

Note: The lines I have listed were the current lines at the time of my post and may not reflect the final lines used to determine wins & losses.

[Kev the Brit]

Morrison 2/11 Results & 2/12 Plays

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[Alpinestars7]

Time to give up on system or ride it out till end of season? It's down a ton of units now. I've been following it since the beginning but losses have drained my bank account even using it as 1 unit. Down 1600 from 1-7-5 system. I can't afford to lose another 80 units. What is everyone else doing?

[PanamaKid]

I've lost pretty heavily with these losing C bets as well.

Anyone else thinking of fading the "toxic" teams? E.g. Philly tonight?

[tonywayne]

I haven't looked at how many of the C losses fall into this category yet, but I did notice that heavy favorites do not cover the spread with any consistency. So far this season, favorites of 10+ points are 57-58-2 (which of course means underdogs of 10+ points are 58-57-2). That makes those games a coin flip. Maybe there's a filter to apply there?

[ken23lau]

In my opinion, if it has wiped your balance out (aka the 100 units that you devoted to this system), then stop following this system. No single system should lose more than 100 units at any point in time.

[PanamaKid]

The exterminator system is total bullshit. It's just playing the B and C bets while skipping the A bets.

[Kev the Brit]

The exterminator system is total bullshit. It's just playing the B and C bets while skipping the A bets.

How do you know? Have you bought it?

[PanamaKid]

How do you know? Have you bought it?

Yup.

[Kev the Brit]

Time to give up on system or ride it out till end of season? It's down a ton of units now. I've been following it since the beginning but losses have drained my bank account even using it as 1 unit. Down 1600 from 1-7-5 system. I can't afford to lose another 80 units. What is everyone else doing?

I'm sticking with it, if my BR can take it. It was at -40 in mid Jan and then went positive again before the end of that month. Tonight will be a watershed, I'm sure. Another C Loss, using 1% BR as a target will leave nothing tangible to move forward with. The difficultly is the nature of the betting values. Even if the 1-7-5 C Bet loses tonight and goes to -100 (almost), it is still quite possible for the remaining 40 series to produce 150 units profit at the end of the season.

[cambertos]

Wonder what the odds/history of dropping 3 consecutive C bets? riding it out though

[chilidog]

How do you know? Have you bought it?

He's right.

[J.M. Disciple]

For those that do the data-mining maybe its time to start studying the .500 filter. We already showed how the system would be up over 40 units applying the .500 filter over a small sample size. Takes way too much time doing it manually so just being patient for those who do the data-mining to see if a 10 year sample or even 5 year sample nets consistent profits. I am sure it will be less then the overall 1-7-5 but as the 3.5 filter which the limit uses, I believe the .500 filter will provide more consistency. It will eliminate half of the series but better then losing your BR over it. The last 3 or 4 series losses have been under .500 besides Denver who was right at .500.

[Wallco99]

Everybody stop whining, play the games as laid out. I am not about to stop playing a method that has been extremely successful for over 10 years because of one bad season, and we don't even know if it is a bad season yet, it's not even half over. I am sure some of those winning years that I posted had periods deep in the red at some point. If you can't afford it, simply stop playing it. Stop trying to constantly change it unless you put in the time YOURSELF to do an extensive test of the "theory of the day", to prove all these "fear filters" are worth installing, and stop trying to drag everyone out because your bankroll is smaller than others. This is not directed at anyone, but addressed to everyone.

[mcmister]

can anyone post the new morrison exterminator system please?

[chilidog]

can anyone post the new morrison exterminator system please?

It was already summarized a few posts up. Same system, just don't bet the A bets, don't buy points, never chase losses, just bet 10-15% of your bankroll per game, changing that amount with your new bankroll with every game.

[hey buddy]

The exterminator system is total bullshit. It's just playing the B and C bets while skipping the A bets.

Thanks for posting that. is he still saying to buy points?

[Andy3568]

He claimed in the advertising that there's no point buying.

[mcmister]

Thanks, do you happen to know..is this for all 3 versions?

[tonywayne]

Respectfully Wallco, you need to consider that not everyone has been playing the system for 10 years. Someone starting 2 years ago is running negative, because the last 2 years of that 10 year span both had net negative results.

Blindly following a system is moronic. You HAVE to tweak things as situations change, otherwise you're throwing money into a fire. If you haven't already, read about Bob Voulgaris sometime. His system fell apart because he didn't adapt to changing trends quick enough and he lost millions.

We're just all wondering about the possibilities. MAYBE there's something different about this season and the system needs to be tweaked in response to it. Milwaukee is pretty toxic, Philly is starting to look that way. Utah, Lakers, Orlando, Sacramento, unusually bad bets at times. It's pretty constructive to talk about this stuff. That doesn't make anyone a whiner. It makes them a sensible bettor.

[Wallco99]

Respectfully Wallco, you need to consider that not everyone has been playing the system for 10 years. Someone starting 2 years ago is running negative, because the last 2 years of that 10 year span both had net negative results.

Blindly following a system is moronic. You HAVE to tweak things as situations change, otherwise you're throwing money into a fire. If you haven't already, read about Bob Voulgaris sometime. His system fell apart because he didn't adapt to changing trends quick enough and he lost millions.

We're just all wondering about the possibilities. MAYBE there's something different about this season and the system needs to be tweaked in response to it. Milwaukee is pretty toxic, Philly is starting to look that way. Utah, Lakers, Orlando, Sacramento, unusually bad bets at times. It's pretty constructive to talk about this stuff. That doesn't make anyone a whiner. It makes them a sensible bettor.

Well then you qualify as the low bankroll guy who can't afford to be playing these systems, which I also mentioned in my post.

[Wallco99]

can anyone post the new morrison exterminator system please?

sounds like he stole the original 7/5 method. Not sure of the bet amounts though.

[Wallco99]

Respectfully Wallco, you need to consider that not everyone has been playing the system for 10 years. Someone starting 2 years ago is running negative, because the last 2 years of that 10 year span both had net negative results.

Blindly following a system is moronic. You HAVE to tweak things as situations change, otherwise you're throwing money into a fire. If you haven't already, read about Bob Voulgaris sometime. His system fell apart because he didn't adapt to changing trends quick enough and he lost millions.

We're just all wondering about the possibilities. MAYBE there's something different about this season and the system needs to be tweaked in response to it. Milwaukee is pretty toxic, Philly is starting to look that way. Utah, Lakers, Orlando, Sacramento, unusually bad bets at times. It's pretty constructive to talk about this stuff. That doesn't make anyone a whiner. It makes them a sensible bettor.

The last two years were +160 units, even including this year it is still +80. If my uncle had he would be my aunt...If..if..if! And as I said, don't wonder about it and post what if's, TEST IT, then post it, like the rest of us do.

[tonywayne]

Well then you qualify as the low bankroll guy who can't afford to be playing these systems, which I also mentioned in my post.

The last two years were +160 units, even including this year it is still +80. If my uncle had he would be my aunt...If..if..if! And as I said, don't wonder about it and post what if's, TEST IT, then post it, like the rest of us do.

Page 2 of this thread has 10 years of results from what appears to be your system, Wallco. And the last 2 years are net negative. Do you take credit for your results (even bad ones) or just brag about someone else's profits?

Please don't make assumptions about other people's bankrolls. You don't know me, I don't know you. I'm just asking you to not be so quick to call people names (ie. "whiners") when the entire point of a betting forum like this is CONVERSATION.

Since you seem to care though... I started betting last year with $10 units. I'm up to $100 units. If things keep up, it'll go up again in the near future. So, no, I'm no longer a "low bankroll guy". I'm also not a blind system bettor; I change things up when something isn't working.

Test a system? I do. But I also trust people who brag about how good their systems are to keep testing their own. YOUR system has had 2 losing years in a row and you're negative so far this year. Maybe you're the one that should be doing some testing...

[KennyM10]

Tony Wayne wallco has never won with these systems he is trying to be a forum tough guy hurling insults even though it is obvious this is not working. Down all year even if this turns up at the end with his -600 money lines mixed in, he uses the Morrison name to draw attention and sulks when people tell him the truth.

[Wallco99]

Page 2 of this thread has 10 years of results from what appears to be your system, Wallco. And the last 2 years are net negative. Do you take credit for your results (even bad ones) or just brag about someone else's profits?

Please don't make assumptions about other people's bankrolls. You don't know me, I don't know you. I'm just asking you to not be so quick to call people names (ie. "whiners") when the entire point of a betting forum like this is CONVERSATION.

Since you seem to care though... I started betting last year with $10 units. I'm up to $100 units. If things keep up, it'll go up again in the near future. So, no, I'm no longer a "low bankroll guy". I'm also not a blind system bettor; I change things up when something isn't working.

Test a system? I do. But I also trust people who brag about how good their systems are to keep testing their own. YOUR system has had 2 losing years in a row and you're negative so far this year. Maybe you're the one that should be doing some testing...

Not the system we are talking about BOBO, get with the picture. And I am retesting Chase 110, MYSELF, not throwing a bunch of "what if's" and "will somebody else test for me's" out there. When I find something that works better, I will post it. But until then, I will stay on the topic at hand, 1-7-5 for JM.

[hagball52]

sounds like he stole the original 7/5 method. Not sure of the bet amounts though.

I was halfway expecting him to steal your chase 110 system.

Thanks to all who have purchased and posted the fraud system by Tony the fraud "champ". I would give you all my points if I could. Through the years I have learned to read between the lines when the "champ" is pushing something and it always has been a letdown. You really need to pay attention to words like almost always, etc....

[hagball52]

Respectfully Wallco, you need to consider that not everyone has been playing the system for 10 years. Someone starting 2 years ago is running negative, because the last 2 years of that 10 year span both had net negative results.

Blindly following a system is moronic. You HAVE to tweak things as situations change, otherwise you're throwing money into a fire. If you haven't already, read about Bob Voulgaris sometime. His system fell apart because he didn't adapt to changing trends quick enough and he lost millions.

We're just all wondering about the possibilities. MAYBE there's something different about this season and the system needs to be tweaked in response to it. Milwaukee is pretty toxic, Philly is starting to look that way. Utah, Lakers, Orlando, Sacramento, unusually bad bets at times. It's pretty constructive to talk about this stuff. That doesn't make anyone a whiner. It makes them a sensible bettor.

This is a very unique year in the NBA. There are a lot of really bad teams out there and several of them are purposely tanking to position for a talent heavy draft. I seriously believe that systems like "morrison or whoever his name is" and Wallco's chase system will take some severe hits this season. I believe this season will be an anomaly to normal seasons and if you aren't prepared for the roller coaster ride then just back away. Personally I don't usually run a labby but after watching what's going on this year I decided to implement a labby for the NBA for the rest of the season and fortunately I did it a couple of weeks ago so I have not suffered the losses that chase bettors have. I feel that I can capitalize on the upswings and weather the devastating C and D bet losses. I will tweak it from time to time like what Kev is doing with his V1 recovery plan but there is a tremendous amount of handicapping involved because when you start messing with systems you're setting yourself up for disaster. But to all of you who are infected with fear you either need to just back away or soldier on. If it was easy everybody would be doing it. Adapt and overcome. Good luck.

[hagball52]

It was already summarized a few posts up. Same system, just don't bet the A bets, don't buy points, never chase losses, just bet 10-15% of your bankroll per game, changing that amount with your new bankroll with every game.

So I presume that even when the A bet wins you still just straight bet both the B and C bets no matter what?

[Wallco99]

Wallco NBA Chase 110
2013-14 System to Date: 55-3 (fin. series)
System profit/loss: -2.65 units (fin. series)
Current open series: 2 (-4.51 units)

(2/12/14):
#56 Philadelphia (+8) (B) - Win
#57 Atlanta (+7) (B) - Loss
#58 Denver (+6½) (A) - Loss
#59 Minnesota (M/L) (A) - Win
#60 Sacramento (+6) (A) - Win


v1 Plays
(A) 34-26
(B) 13-12
(C) 4-7
(D) 4-3
Losses: NYK (-18.45 u), MIL (-20.76 u), ORL (-18.45 u)



There are no system plays until after All-Star break:
#57 Resumes (C) on 2/18/14
#58 Resumes (B) on 2/18/14



We will ALWAYS play the M/L on favorites and the point spread (-110) on dogs. The team underlined and highlighted blue is the play. There is no point buying in this system, with one exception, if your team is the favorite, and buying down to a (-½) point spread is cheaper than playing the M/L, then by all means, buy the points, otherwise, M/L on all favorites and point spread on dogs. All results will be based on this principle. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the dog team, and who is the favorite on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines. I will try to update my post as often as I can throughout the day if the lines do change. However, it is the individual bettor’s responsibility to get the appropriate line if it differs from the line in my post.
System rules and backtest can be found in posts #44 & #45.

[Kev the Brit]

Morrison 2/12 Results & 2/13 Plays

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[Kev the Brit]

After tonight there are no more plays until 2/18. Co-incidentally, I'm away from home throughout the day tomorrow, so today's results will not be posted until mid afternoon EST tomorrow, not that it will be important time-sensitive info anyway.

Kev

[Maxi_EV]

Hey tonywayne

Can't handle downswings?
Get a regular job!

Or go back to school to study some simple maths. You might learn interesting things about probabilities, ROI, expected value, VARIANCE, standard deviation, LONG TERM expectations & Risk of Ruin.

Good Luck!