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  • harthebar
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 12-09-11
    • 15708

    #11236
    Margie Cat is scheduled to run today in Race 4 at Belmont.
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    • harthebar
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 12-09-11
      • 15708

      #11237
      Sundrenched. And Fairy link belmont. 2nd
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      • harthebar
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 12-09-11
        • 15708

        #11238
        Smart throb and alphabetting belmont racec9
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        • harthebar
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 12-09-11
          • 15708

          #11239
          Tiz Mischief is scheduled to run today in Race 9 at Churchill Downs.
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          • harthebar
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 12-09-11
            • 15708

            #11240
            Vicar's Legend is scheduled to run today in Race 6 at Belmont.

            Using him with the 7 4. Hoping to get him in tix. He has Bern improving.
            Last edited by harthebar; 05-04-19, 12:06 PM.
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            • harthebar
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 12-09-11
              • 15708

              #11241
              Win Win win.
              Maximum security.
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              • harthebar
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 12-09-11
                • 15708

                #11242
                Mo Maverick is scheduled to run today in Race 7 at Monmouth Park.
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                • harthebar
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 12-09-11
                  • 15708

                  #11243
                  Come On All. I need your derby picks. JBEX g man. E z. Wherevarevthey.
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                  • harthebar
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 12-09-11
                    • 15708

                    #11244
                    Daddy's Cozy is scheduled to run today in Race 9 at Laurel Park.
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                    • Easy-Rider 66
                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                      • 02-14-12
                      • 36100

                      #11245
                      Originally posted by harthebar
                      Come On All. I need your derby picks. JBEX g man. E z. Wherevarevthey.
                      Tacitus. Boxing him with your pony Max Security. GL.
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                      • mrginandtonic
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 09-11-09
                        • 7734

                        #11246
                        Originally posted by harthebar
                        Win Win win.
                        Maximum security.
                        I’m alive in the DD with 7- Maximum Security (pays $317), 14- Win Win Win (pays $750) and 17- Roadster (Pays $525). I’m hoping for 14- Win Win Win cuz it pays the most. I have $3 on them, and if Win Win Win wins, I will get $1g back!!
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                        • harthebar
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 12-09-11
                          • 15708

                          #11247
                          Monmouth race 6 seeking glory
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                          • harthebar
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 12-09-11
                            • 15708

                            #11248
                            Originally posted by mrginandtonic
                            I’m alive in the DD with 7- Maximum Security (pays $317), 14- Win Win Win (pays $750) and 17- Roadster (Pays $525). I’m hoping for 14- Win Win Win cuz it pays the most. I have $3 on them, and if Win Win Win wins, I will get $1g back!!
                            Good luck cheering for you. I got both of them slso
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                            • harthebar
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 12-09-11
                              • 15708

                              #11249
                              Win Win Win.
                              Maximum security
                              Long range toddy
                              Game winner
                              Tax
                              Tacitus
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                              • mrginandtonic
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 09-11-09
                                • 7734

                                #11250
                                Originally posted by harthebar
                                Win Win Win.
                                Maximum security
                                Long range toddy
                                Game winner
                                Tax
                                Tacitus
                                GL to you as well. Hopefully, we both win.
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                                • Buckandadime
                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                  • 04-21-15
                                  • 8847

                                  #11251
                                  Vekoma
                                  Win Win Win
                                  Roadster

                                  ????

                                  May the Fourth be with you...
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                                  • Easy-Rider 66
                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                    • 02-14-12
                                    • 36100

                                    #11252
                                    Hey Hart changed the ex box to 8/19. Pays about 1K to 1.5K. A 7/8 box was not paying much so made the swtich. GL.
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                                    • harthebar
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 12-09-11
                                      • 15708

                                      #11253
                                      Originally posted by Easy-Rider 66
                                      Hey Hart changed the ex box to 8/19. Pays about 1K to 1.5K. A 7/8 box was not paying much so made the swtich. GL.
                                      E z. And the ret of you. What did you think of the d q. Did he impede yes. I've seen way worse ... did it effect the race. No. . The only issue I have. It took 20 minutes. .... that's saying they weren't sure ..... good question is. ..if that was baffert horse. Would they take it down... I say there are 20 horses .. as soon as they came out of the gate they were banging...... yea a foul. Was it intentionally. No. New York he stays .........well. they just set the mark. Of what stays or what comes down. For years to come.
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                                      • JBEX
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 01-02-12
                                        • 23422

                                        #11254
                                        Originally posted by harthebar
                                        E z. And the ret of you. What did you think of the d q. Did he impede yes. I've seen way worse ... did it effect the race. No. . The only issue I have. It took 20 minutes. .... that's saying they weren't sure ..... good question is. ..if that was baffert horse. Would they take it down... I say there are 20 horses .. as soon as they came out of the gate they were banging...... yea a foul. Was it intentionally. No. New York he stays .........well. they just set the mark. Of what stays or what comes down. For years to come.

                                        was the right call but understand the other side of it.. I think maybe they ought to consider adopting international rules in regards to this stuff when it comes to graded stakes races..meaning only take down the winner if the horse he impeded had a "clear" shot at winning.. that can be a slippery slope also as we can see with calls being challenged or reviewed in the major sports.. tell you what I'm ready to move on from this lol.. just hoping for a big field and fast track for the preakness.. with the top two not participating should be an excellent betting race
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                                        • Easy-Rider 66
                                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                          • 02-14-12
                                          • 36100

                                          #11255
                                          Originally posted by harthebar
                                          E z. And the ret of you. What did you think of the d q. Did he impede yes. I've seen way worse ... did it effect the race. No. . The only issue I have. It took 20 minutes. .... that's saying they weren't sure ..... good question is. ..if that was baffert horse. Would they take it down... I say there are 20 horses .. as soon as they came out of the gate they were banging...... yea a foul. Was it intentionally. No. New York he stays .........well. they just set the mark. Of what stays or what comes down. For years to come.
                                          Can see both sides. But based on what STR wrote have to agree with the DQ. On to the Preakness. No Max Security and Country House. Hopefully Like JBEX states a good betting race.
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                                          • mrginandtonic
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 09-11-09
                                            • 7734

                                            #11256
                                            Originally posted by harthebar
                                            E z. And the ret of you. What did you think of the d q. Did he impede yes. I've seen way worse ... did it effect the race. No. . The only issue I have. It took 20 minutes. .... that's saying they weren't sure ..... good question is. ..if that was baffert horse. Would they take it down... I say there are 20 horses .. as soon as they came out of the gate they were banging...... yea a foul. Was it intentionally. No. New York he stays .........well. they just set the mark. Of what stays or what comes down. For years to come.
                                            Hart, here is a quote by DRF legend, Andrew Beyer:

                                            "Many sets of racing rules will say something like those in Kentucky, which declare that a horse may not “swerve in so as to interfere with…or impede any other horse.” If you go by the book, Maximum Security committed a punishable foul. But as every racing fan knows, no racing jurisdiction goes by the book, because the result would be total chaos in the sport.
                                            Horses bump and jostle and jockey for position in almost every race — particularly at the starting gate and in the early running on the backstretch. Stewards overlook almost all of it. Most of the time their tacit standard is that a horse will be disqualified if his foul clearly cost a rival the chance to win or get a high placing.
                                            NBC’s slow-motion coverage clearly showed Maximum Security moving in front of War of Will, forcing jockey Tyler Gaffalione to steady his mount. This was a foul — no doubt about it. The incident could have resulted in a bad accident — but it didn’t. It probably cost War of Will a length, but he recovered quickly. He had a clear path ahead of him and a quarter of a mile in which to catch Maximum Security, and he drew within a length of the leader, but he faded badly at the end and finished eighth. He was never going to win the Derby, or even finish in the money. Nor were the two longshots who were behind War of Will on the turn and were also hampered by the incident.
                                            So I don’t see how justice was served in any way by disqualifying the best horse. And it certainly was not served by elevating Country House, who had a relatively easy trip, and had every chance to catch Maximum Security in the stretch, but couldn’t do it.
                                            --Andrew Beyer "

                                            Many of us probably feel the same way as Mr Beyer. This DQ call has come down between being objective and subjective. It is really tough to swallow when no INQUIRY was post it. All my of years of racing in a major race track, how often does one see a jockey OBJECTION alone will disqualify some one. I cannot remember when was the last time I saw one especially in a big race. Like you said, what if that horse was Baffert's horse, say it was Justify in the Derby, will he have gotten disqualified? Chances are slimmer than none. I feel bad for the trainer, the rider and the owner. Max Security was clearly the best horse, none of his opponents will ever catch him. He is a young horse still learning and I just hope that he will continue to prove that he is the best horse in this year 3 year old crop. I honestly think that he had a chance of winning the triple crown because the rest of the 3 year olds are not very good. I hope that going forward, this "rule" will apply to everyone. I know you had him too so I share your pain. Anyways, I have done with my share of venting.
                                            Last edited by mrginandtonic; 05-08-19, 01:05 AM.
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                                            • harthebar
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 12-09-11
                                              • 15708

                                              #11257
                                              Originally posted by mrginandtonic
                                              Hart, here is a quote by DRF legend, Andrew Beyer:

                                              "Many sets of racing rules will say something like those in Kentucky, which declare that a horse may not “swerve in so as to interfere with…or impede any other horse.” If you go by the book, Maximum Security committed a punishable foul. But as every racing fan knows, no racing jurisdiction goes by the book, because the result would be total chaos in the sport.
                                              Horses bump and jostle and jockey for position in almost every race — particularly at the starting gate and in the early running on the backstretch. Stewards overlook almost all of it. Most of the time their tacit standard is that a horse will be disqualified if his foul clearly cost a rival the chance to win or get a high placing.
                                              NBC’s slow-motion coverage clearly showed Maximum Security moving in front of War of Will, forcing jockey Tyler Gaffalione to steady his mount. This was a foul — no doubt about it. The incident could have resulted in a bad accident — but it didn’t. It probably cost War of Will a length, but he recovered quickly. He had a clear path ahead of him and a quarter of a mile in which to catch Maximum Security, and he drew within a length of the leader, but he faded badly at the end and finished eighth. He was never going to win the Derby, or even finish in the money. Nor were the two longshots who were behind War of Will on the turn and were also hampered by the incident.
                                              So I don’t see how justice was served in any way by disqualifying the best horse. And it certainly was not served by elevating Country House, who had a relatively easy trip, and had every chance to catch Maximum Security in the stretch, but couldn’t do it.
                                              --Andrew Beyer "

                                              Many of us probably feel the same way as Mr Beyer. This DQ call has come down between being objective and subjective. It is really tough to swallow when no INQUIRY was post it. All my of years of racing in a major race track, how often does one see a jockey OBJECTION alone will disqualify some one. I cannot remember when was the last time I saw one especially in a big race. Like you said, what if that horse was Baffert's horse, say it was Justify in the Derby, will he have gotten disqualified? Chances are slimmer than none. I feel bad for the trainer, the rider and the owner. Max Security was clearly the best horse, none of his opponents will ever catch him. He is a young horse still learning and I just hope that he will continue to prove that he is the best horse in this year 3 year old crop. I honestly think that he had a chance of winning the triple crown because the rest of the 3 year olds are not very good. I hope that going forward, this "rule" will apply to everyone. I know you had him too so I share your pain. Anyways, I have done with my share of venting.
                                              Well said. Exactly how I feel, let's hope for a good Preakness. . Country house is suppose to run now ...nax. security is liking his wounds. I guess and won't run.......which I think it's the perfect race for him. ....
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                                              • harthebar
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 12-09-11
                                                • 15708

                                                #11258
                                                Hey guys. Work has been calling. This is the busy part of year. Out of loop. Who do you all like today
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                                                • harthebar
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 12-09-11
                                                  • 15708

                                                  #11259
                                                  Pure Bingo is scheduled to run today in Race 1 at Evangeline Downs.
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                                                  • harthebar
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 12-09-11
                                                    • 15708

                                                    #11260
                                                    Originally posted by harthebar
                                                    Pure Bingo is scheduled to run today in Race 1 at Evangeline Downs.
                                                    Easy winner 8.00
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                                                    • harthebar
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 12-09-11
                                                      • 15708

                                                      #11261
                                                      Carrera Cat is scheduled to run today in Race 6 at Belmont.
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                                                      • harthebar
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 12-09-11
                                                        • 15708

                                                        #11262
                                                        Kenjisstorm is scheduled to run today in Race 10 at Santa Anita. Like him a lot here
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                                                        • harthebar
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 12-09-11
                                                          • 15708

                                                          #11263
                                                          Love You Much is scheduled to run today in Race 9 at Pimlico.
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                                                          • harthebar
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 12-09-11
                                                            • 15708

                                                            #11264
                                                            Zing Zang is scheduled to run today in Race 5 at Churchill Downs.
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                                                            • harthebar
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 12-09-11
                                                              • 15708

                                                              #11265
                                                              Cafe Du Monde is scheduled to run today in Race 4 at Gulfstream Park.
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                                                              • harthebar
                                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                                • 12-09-11
                                                                • 15708

                                                                #11266
                                                                Standard Deviation is scheduled to run today in Race 9 at Monmouth Park.
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                                                                • harthebar
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 12-09-11
                                                                  • 15708

                                                                  #11267
                                                                  El Commendatore is scheduled to run today in Race 1 at Gulfstream Park.
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                                                                  • harthebar
                                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                                    • 12-09-11
                                                                    • 15708

                                                                    #11268
                                                                    Love You Much is scheduled to run today in Race 8 at Laurel Park.
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                                                                    • Easy-Rider 66
                                                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                      • 02-14-12
                                                                      • 36100

                                                                      #11269
                                                                      Originally posted by harthebar
                                                                      Standard Deviation is scheduled to run today in Race 9 at Monmouth Park.
                                                                      winner
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                                                                      • harthebar
                                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                                        • 12-09-11
                                                                        • 15708

                                                                        #11270
                                                                        Originally posted by harthebar
                                                                        Cafe Du Monde is scheduled to run today in Race 4 at Gulfstream Park.
                                                                        Put this guy in stable. Left in gate. Closed. For 3rd. Way bsck at start
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