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  • JBEX
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    • 01-02-12
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    #9416
    by army mule..gulfstream R6 #4 grade A (5-2) @ 3pm
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    • batt33
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      • 12-23-16
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      #9417
      Originally posted by str
      There is typically but not always a reason why this happened. Any idea Batt?
      I haven't reached out to my cousin yet..... I know she was really counting on the filly going for more, and I know she is pretty upset...I will give it a bit and see if she reaches out first. When I saw the price I figured she RNA'd it and was quite surprised by who bought it.( an Arabian prince looking to expand his stable).

      As you know with any sale it only takes 2 interested buyers to get the bidding going... With one being the person above ..I'm surprised that there wasn't another bidder.

      I looked back at some other cyberknife's and their pedigree and how they showed in their videos. Interesting is all I can say.... a couple of them showed very poorly( and that could be by the person walking them) but they brought a little more. But again I'm not there in person...
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      • batt33
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        • 12-23-16
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        #9418
        Originally posted by JBEX
        by army mule..gulfstream R6 #4 grade A (5-2) @ 3pm
        Speaking of Army Mules.... Saw a horse By Army Mule who is a Half brother to TimberLake,"Hymn of Heaven" ,

        4 Workouts so far out at the farm.....


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        • JBEX
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          • 01-02-12
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          #9419
          Originally posted by batt33
          Speaking of Army Mules.... Saw a horse By Army Mule who is a Half brother to TimberLake,"Hymn of Heaven" ,

          4 Workouts so far out at the farm.....


          kind of flattering considering timberlake was by into mischief and a million plus earner (obviously this was before timberlake ran ) .. believe AM was a $7.5k fee then (20k now and 25k last year)
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          • str
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            • 01-12-09
            • 11524

            #9420
            Originally posted by JBEX
            by army mule..gulfstream R6 #4 grade A (5-2) @ 3pm
            They are probably at the 1/8th pole as I type.

            This one obviously looks real good.

            I see Mike Trombetta has a firster in there as well..
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            • JBEX
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              • 01-02-12
              • 23025

              #9421
              Originally posted by str
              They are probably at the 1/8th pole as I type.

              This one obviously looks real good.

              I see Mike Trombetta has a firster in there as well..
              irad's too much (3-5) and a clear winner but she was a comfortable 2nd ..average level field probably breaks her maiden within next two starts..florida bred competition helps
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              • str
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                • 01-12-09
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                #9422
                Originally posted by batt33
                I haven't reached out to my cousin yet..... I know she was really counting on the filly going for more, and I know she is pretty upset...I will give it a bit and see if she reaches out first. When I saw the price I figured she RNA'd it and was quite surprised by who bought it.( an Arabian prince looking to expand his stable).

                As you know with any sale it only takes 2 interested buyers to get the bidding going... With one being the person above ..I'm surprised that there wasn't another bidder.

                I looked back at some other cyberknife's and their pedigree and how they showed in their videos. Interesting is all I can say.... a couple of them showed very poorly( and that could be by the person walking them) but they brought a little more. But again I'm not there in person...
                RNA (reserve not attained) does save you from excepting less than what you wanted but maybe other circumstances factored in and she had to let it go for that number.

                It's a shame when that happens but it is part of the game.
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                • batt33
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                  • 12-23-16
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                  #9423
                  [QUOTE=str;31386614]RNA (reserve not attained) does save you from excepting less than what you wanted but maybe other circumstances factored in and she had to let it go for that number.

                  It's a shame when that happens but it is part of the game."

                  Yes it is part of the game.... She had to let it go... and on to[ of that a mare she has lost a "Jackies warrior Colt awhile back.....
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                  • str
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                    • 01-12-09
                    • 11524

                    #9424
                    [QUOTE=batt33;31386726]
                    Originally posted by str
                    RNA (reserve not attained) does save you from excepting less than what you wanted but maybe other circumstances factored in and she had to let it go for that number.

                    It's a shame when that happens but it is part of the game."

                    Yes it is part of the game.... She had to let it go... and on to[ of that a mare she has lost a "Jackies warrior Colt awhile back.....
                    Yeah, I figured that was it. Been there so I do get it. And losing a opportunity to have a nice colt while all part of the business really hurts the smaller players. It is such a rewarding business but man the hardships along the way can shake your passion sometimes. Wish her good luck in the future for me Batt.
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                    • str
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                      • 01-12-09
                      • 11524

                      #9425
                      Originally posted by batt33
                      I haven't reached out to my cousin yet..... I know she was really counting on the filly going for more, and I know she is pretty upset...I will give it a bit and see if she reaches out first. When I saw the price I figured she RNA'd it and was quite surprised by who bought it.( an Arabian prince looking to expand his stable).

                      As you know with any sale it only takes 2 interested buyers to get the bidding going... With one being the person above ..I'm surprised that there wasn't another bidder.

                      I looked back at some other cyberknife's and their pedigree and how they showed in their videos. Interesting is all I can say.... a couple of them showed very poorly( and that could be by the person walking them) but they brought a little more. But again I'm not there in person...
                      Sales just do not always make sense. Looks easy when it is good but it is anything but.
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                      • batt33
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                        • 12-23-16
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                        #9426
                        [QUOTE=str;31386884]
                        Originally posted by batt33

                        Yeah, I figured that was it. Been there so I do get it. And losing a opportunity to have a nice colt while all part of the business really hurts the smaller players. It is such a rewarding business but man the hardships along the way can shake your passion sometimes. Wish her good luck in the future for me Batt.
                        Thanks STR I will.
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                        • batt33
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                          • 12-23-16
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                          #9427
                          Originally posted by str
                          Sales just do not always make sense. Looks easy when it is good but it is anything but.
                          Isn't that the truth!
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                          • batt33
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                            • 12-23-16
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                            #9428
                            With a full slate of four MyRacehorse runners set to make afternoon appearances. click here to download past performances for all four races.
                            Just a reminder I have Caldera race 2 at Oaklawn and Sweet voyage Race 2 at Turfway.

                            Hopefully "blinkers on" help Caldera. While Caldera is getting first time lasix.... they are saying it's just precautionary..

                            Hopefully easier competition helps "Sweet voyage" this time around.
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                            • batt33
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                              • 12-23-16
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                              #9429
                              Friday race analysis .
                              First part of the video talks about Caldera and exactly what you said STR about 3 year olds vs older horses.

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                              • str
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                                • 01-12-09
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                                #9430
                                Originally posted by batt33
                                With a full slate of four MyRacehorse runners set to make afternoon appearances. click here to download past performances for all four races.
                                Just a reminder I have Caldera race 2 at Oaklawn and Sweet voyage Race 2 at Turfway.

                                Hopefully "blinkers on" help Caldera. While Caldera is getting first time lasix.... they are saying it's just precautionary..

                                Hopefully easier competition helps "Sweet voyage" this time around.
                                Just don't want to duel early with the other barn horse. Hopefully not. Think this is all about your outside horse himself. Forget the race. Just watch the animal. Needs to break, be somewhat forward I guess, but the most important thing is to find a stride, not be all fired up. Breathing well. Switching leads, awaiting the riders asks. That will tell a lot of all this Batt. I would treat this as look at the horse, not the race. Hope that makes sense.
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                                • batt33
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                                  • 12-23-16
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                                  #9431
                                  Originally posted by str
                                  Just don't want to duel early with the other barn horse. Hopefully not. Think this is all about your outside horse himself. Forget the race. Just watch the animal. Needs to break, be somewhat forward I guess, but the most important thing is to find a stride, not be all fired up. Breathing well. Switching leads, awaiting the riders asks. That will tell a lot of all this Batt. I would treat this as look at the horse, not the race. Hope that makes sense.
                                  Makes total sense Thanks STR! One thing no worries about dueling with the other barn horse and the favorite! both scratched..
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                                  • str
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                                    • 01-12-09
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                                    #9432
                                    Originally posted by batt33
                                    Makes total sense Thanks STR! One thing no worries about dueling with the other barn horse and the favorite! both scratched..
                                    Well that’s great.
                                    Now let’s just watch your horse closely and look for those things we talked about. Block out the other stuff. You can watch the replay to see the others later.
                                    I think you will like that type of view.
                                    GL Batt
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                                    • batt33
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                                      • 12-23-16
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                                      #9433
                                      I will thanks STR!
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                                      • str
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                                        • 01-12-09
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                                        #9434
                                        It took Caldera just about 24 seconds to understand to relax and think. That's pretty good at this stage of the game.
                                        once he did, he responded perfectly at the 5/16ths pole the first ask which immediately put that horse away that challenged him and well again about the 1/8th pole or a bit sooner. All that thinking and responding on que can get a horse tired and your horse was tired the last 1/16th. See him switch back to the left lead there? Good stuff Batt.

                                        He will be better next out but the competition will be as well. All in all, very well done.

                                        Enjoy that win.
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                                        • batt33
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                                          • 12-23-16
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                                          #9435
                                          Originally posted by str
                                          It took Caldera just about 24 seconds to understand to relax and think. That's pretty good at this stage of the game.
                                          once he did, he responded perfectly at the 5/16ths pole the first ask which immediately put that horse away that challenged him and well again about the 1/8th pole or a bit sooner. All that thinking and responding on que can get a horse tired and your horse was tired the last 1/16th. See him switch back to the left lead there? Good stuff Batt.

                                          He will be better next out but the competition will be as well. All in all, very well done.

                                          Enjoy that win.
                                          Thanks STR! That was fun! and as always I appreciate your insights!
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                                          • JBEX
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                                            • 01-02-12
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                                            #9436
                                            nice win on caldera batt


                                            hopefully they'll be trying the 2nd leg of ky derby preps next out
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                                            • JBEX
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                                              • 01-02-12
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                                              #9437
                                              Originally posted by batt33
                                              With a full slate of four MyRacehorse runners set to make afternoon appearances. click here to download past performances for all four races.
                                              Just a reminder I have Caldera race 2 at Oaklawn and Sweet voyage Race 2 at Turfway.

                                              Hopefully "blinkers on" help Caldera. While Caldera is getting first time lasix.... they are saying it's just precautionary..

                                              Hopefully easier competition helps "Sweet voyage" this time around.
                                              just a reminder that an army mule is going in that turfway race also ..#12 cassiopeia (4-1) @ 6:25

                                              good luck with yours' batt




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                                              • batt33
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                                                • 12-23-16
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                                                #9438
                                                Originally posted by JBEX
                                                nice win on caldera batt




                                                hopefully they'll be trying the 2nd leg of ky derby preps next out
                                                Thanks JBEX! We shall see! I do believe that that's what they are looking at!
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                                                • batt33
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                                                  • 12-23-16
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                                                  #9439
                                                  Originally posted by JBEX
                                                  just a reminder that an army mule is going in that turfway race also ..#12 cassiopeia (4-1) @ 6:25

                                                  good luck with yours' batt






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                                                  Thanks! In the video I posted above at the 23.18 mark they go over the race and they do like the 12 horse base on numbers.. now that the 9 is scratched who knows!
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                                                  • batt33
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                                                    • 12-23-16
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                                                    #9440
                                                    [COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Caldera Romps in Hot Springs!
                                                    [/COLOR]
                                                    Caldera put it all together today with an emphatic romp at Oaklawn Park!

                                                    Tugging his way right to the lead, your colt cleared off from the field comfortably into the first turn and traveled powerfully down the backside under a tight hold from jockey Rafael Bejarano. After fairly easy splits of :24 flat, :48.73 and 1:13.73, Caldera always figured to have something left, and once set down by Bejarano to keep his pursuers at bay he began to inch clear. Caldera showed off that impressive stride in the lane, and poured it on by 5 1/2 lengths while displaying perhaps a touch of greenness late.
                                                    We’ve believed since the fall that Caldera had this type of performance in him, and it was so great to see him take this big leap forward with the blinkers added, rewarding everyone’s faith and patience.
                                                    Off of today’s effort, and knowing that trainer D. Wayne Lukas is not one to shy away from a challenge, we would certainly think that the $1.25-million G2 Rebel S. back over the same track and trip Feb. 22 would be under consideration for Caldera’s next appearance.

                                                    https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/blog/video/Bejarano_1737142426748/MP4/Bejarano_1737142426748.mp4
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                                                    • batt33
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                                                      • 12-23-16
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                                                      #9441



                                                      Jockey 's comment... on caldera
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                                                      • batt33
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                                                        • 12-23-16
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                                                        #9442
                                                        Sweet voyage may still need easier.... no excuses that I could see...
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                                                        • JBEX
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                                                          • 01-02-12
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                                                          #9443
                                                          by army mule..oak R9 #2 wisconsin gal (12-1) @ 5:25
                                                          listed stakes ,sprint..one we are familiar with going back at least a few races..not impossible but the 3-5 ml favorite #4 kate's angel looks tough
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                                                          • JBEX
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                                                            • 01-02-12
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                                                            #9444
                                                            Originally posted by JBEX
                                                            by army mule..oak R9 #2 wisconsin gal (12-1) @ 5:25
                                                            listed stakes ,sprint..one we are familiar with going back at least a few races..not impossible but the 3-5 ml favorite #4 kate's angel looks tough
                                                            observation str..did he really have to run her in a stakes vs the boys 2 back after keeping her as busy as he did..especially the fact she only beat a restricted msw field ?




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                                                            • str
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                                                              • 01-12-09
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                                                              #9445
                                                              Originally posted by JBEX
                                                              observation str..did he really have to run her in a stakes vs the boys 2 back after keeping her as busy as he did..especially the fact she only beat a restricted msw field ?


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                                                              OMG. I just looked and came in here to say the exact same thing ! Great eye JBEX.

                                                              Looking at her form, other than the 3 step slow, bad gate breaks in her career she has run 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 1st, and her reward for winning is to run her against the boys in a stake and then try synthetic. REALLY !

                                                              You know, I was no super star when I trained and you know I do not enjoy being critical of other trainers and the job they do, but... one thing I took pride in doing was trying my best to reward a horse that gave a solid effort with that same quality effort from me in finding the next race and doing my best to prepare them properly. I'm sure there is a stake race out there that I might have won at 80-1 somewhere. But it is fine with me that I missed it if it meant running hard trying horses in stupid spots. The appreciation that I have for hard trying, no matter the circumstance horses is probably more than it should be sometimes, but I always figured that I should try at least half as hard as my horse just did when it came to reading the condition book. But this trainer has nothing to worry about because she is an Army Mule and they will run their hearts out every time they step on the track.
                                                              So keep spotting her in terrible spots. Maybe you will win one of them. I guess it is all about the trainer, not the horse.
                                                              Harsh for sure but that is my take.

                                                              What I would have done for some more quality bred horses that ran their guts out.
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                                                              • JBEX
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                                                                #9446
                                                                Originally posted by str
                                                                OMG. I just looked and came in here to say the exact same thing ! Great eye JBEX.

                                                                Looking at her form, other than the 3 step slow, bad gate breaks in her career she has run 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 1st, and her reward for winning is to run her against the boys in a stake and then try synthetic. REALLY !

                                                                You know, I was no super star when I trained and you know I do not enjoy being critical of other trainers and the job they do, but... one thing I took pride in doing was trying my best to reward a horse that gave a solid effort with that same quality effort from me in finding the next race and doing my best to prepare them properly. I'm sure there is a stake race out there that I might have won at 80-1 somewhere. But it is fine with me that I missed it if it meant running hard trying horses in stupid spots. The appreciation that I have for hard trying, no matter the circumstance horses is probably more than it should be sometimes, but I always figured that I should try at least half as hard as my horse just did when it came to reading the condition book. But this trainer has nothing to worry about because she is an Army Mule and they will run their hearts out every time they step on the track.
                                                                So keep spotting her in terrible spots. Maybe you will win one of them. I guess it is all about the trainer, not the horse.
                                                                Harsh for sure but that is my take.

                                                                What I would have done for some more quality bred horses that ran their guts out.
                                                                yeah I agree putting in realistic spots long haul is the thing to do vs chasing big money stakes that are probably too good for them..I could see giving the turfway park stakes a try.. she didn't run bad at all in it but 2 back seems ambitious

                                                                be cool someday if one of the dutrow brothers get an army mule in their stable ..even someone like
                                                                michael pino who was mentored by rick sr..sure they'd get the most out of it's talent
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                                                                • Madison
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                                                                  #9447
                                                                  Yinzer

                                                                  FG R7 #1. Was this the one discussed who veered way off course in the last 1/16th at FG R12 12/21 #5??
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                                                                  • str
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                                                                    • 01-12-09
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                                                                    #9448
                                                                    Originally posted by Madison
                                                                    FG R7 #1. Was this the one discussed who veered way off course in the last 1/16th at FG R12 12/21 #5??
                                                                    Don't think so. What did he do, drift way outside or shy from the stick?
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                                                                    • JBEX
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                                                                      #9449
                                                                      Originally posted by Madison
                                                                      FG R7 #1. Was this the one discussed who veered way off course in the last 1/16th at FG R12 12/21 #5??
                                                                      don't think so either..not mentioned in this thread in keyword search..is my choice in this race and think it'll be a big effort
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                                                                      • str
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                                                                        • 01-12-09
                                                                        • 11524

                                                                        #9450
                                                                        Originally posted by Madison
                                                                        FG R7 #1. Was this the one discussed who veered way off course in the last 1/16th at FG R12 12/21 #5??
                                                                        Originally posted by str
                                                                        Don't think so. What did he do, drift way outside or shy from the stick?
                                                                        Just saw the replay.

                                                                        Yep. He shied from the left handed stick.

                                                                        The jockey started out right handed and used it a couple times. No problems. He then switches to his left hand. Very reasonable. He hits him once left handed and he slides over about 2-3 feet. Then, he hits him a 2nd time left handed and he ducks away from it about 5 feet. So... the rider somehow decides that he will hit him a 3rd time left handed and the horse ducks out to the way outside. A very poor decision by that rider. What the hell did you think he was going too do???
                                                                        He finally gets his stick over to his right hand, hits him and the horse takes off.

                                                                        A total jockey screw up IMO.

                                                                        The horse was the winner if that does not happen and it would not have been a photo.

                                                                        That rider is off, a HOF rider is on. Also blinkers ON today. He should run very well. My only worry would be him relaxing early with those blinkers. They usually do enough but I doubt he has totally forgotten about that race.

                                                                        A solid play IMO Madison.


                                                                        Good Luck.
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