Future Pool 4

[batt33]

Just for giggles looked at the horses that have a 100 or better beyer figure for pool 4
13 Fierceness
24 locked
26 mystik dan
32 speak easy 103 first start Jan 27... no works since..
34 timber lake twice .. off since breeders cup last 2 works have been nice one with a bullet.

dang it Speak easy dumps the jockey..... would have loved to watch him run.....

[batt33]

Name a horse that has beaten Dornoch....and won his comeback race off a lay off?

[JBEX]

We are still dreaming! Yes I put a couple of bucks on him..... never would have done it ..if you didn't bring him up... one way or another still fun to dream! on a side note did my money back guarantee on him for 10 dollars lol . I'll take it!

good to hear batts..assuming he'll follow the NY path and run in the wood memorial..nice to have a shot at those odds

[JBEX]

Name a horse that has beaten Dornoch....and won his comeback race off a lay off?

guess you mean also won their comeback race off a layoff .. deterministic would be one..the big thing with this is "when"..doing it in the 2nd leg of a ky derby prep series is a nice accomplishment ..they both did that



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[batt33]

guess you mean also won their comeback race off a layoff .. deterministic would be one..the big thing with this is "when"..doing it in the 2nd leg of a ky derby prep series is a nice accomplishment ..they both did that

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I was thinking about the "coaches" horse "seize the grey". Depending on how he does in his next race Could use the one-mile $200,000 Hot Springs S. on Mar. 23 as a bridge to a Kentucky Derby points race at Keeneland—either the $1-million G1 Blue Grass S. Apr. 6 or the $400,000 G3 Lexington S. April 13. according to Lukas.

[JBEX]

I was thinking about the "coaches" horse "seize the grey". Depending on how he does in his next race Could use the one-mile $200,000 Hot Springs S. on Mar. 23 as a bridge to a Kentucky Derby points race at Keeneland—either the $1-million G1 Blue Grass S. Apr. 6 or the $400,000 G3 Lexington S. April 13. according to Lukas.

I think that would be a good spot for him but the blue grass comes up too quick..could possibly see the Lexington..week later and weaker field..still 3 weeks is kind of quick but I believe Lukas is and has been for a while aggresive with spotting them

[batt33]

I think that would be a good spot for him but the blue grass comes up too quick..could possibly see the Lexington..week later and weaker field..still 3 weeks is kind of quick but I believe Lukas is and has been for a while aggresive with spotting them

Hopefully Lukas listens to the horse!

[JBEX]

Hopefully Lukas listens to the horse!

I say it also because of the pedigree..high class and stamina top and bottom

[batt33]

I say it also because of the pedigree..high class and stamina top and bottom

If you watch the last race.... first race back.... Lukas just wanted a race to get him. won the 1 1/16 and on the gallop out no horse went by him....
Funny thing about watching him from the top of the stretch.... his head motion and how he was doing it reminded of one of my all time ultimate favorite horses the old man " John Henry" ....
call me crazy... Its all good!

[JBEX]

If you watch the last race.... first race back.... Lukas just wanted a race to get him. won the 1 1/16 and on the gallop out no horse went by him....
Funny thing about watching him from the top of the stretch.... his head motion and how he was doing it reminded of one of my all time ultimate favorite horses the old man " John Henry" ....
call me crazy... Its all good!

being it's a listed stakes the hot springs is meant to attract at least 1 horse from a race like that..maybe others who couldn't quite hack the prep series and some out-of-towners..need some opportunities for horses like these to run also..I think a derby shot is remote and probably the only way would be winning a race like the lexington just to have enough points

[batt33]

being it's a listed stakes the hot springs is meant to attract at least 1 horse from a race like that..maybe others who couldn't quite hack the prep series and some out-of-towners..need some opportunities for horses like these to run also..I think a derby shot is remote and probably the only way would be winning a race like the lexington just to have enough points

I totally agree

[JBEX]

saw the head motion was high ..old enough to remember john henry but not specifics ..amazing horse to say the least

[batt33]

saw the head motion was high ..old enough to remember john henry but not specifics ..amazing horse to say the least

I think for me it was as they said back in the day" the oil well motion" and that well be because of the "high head motion"

[batt33]

I think that would be a good spot for him but the blue grass comes up too quick..could possibly see the Lexington..week later and weaker field..still 3 weeks is kind of quick but I believe Lukas is and has been for a while aggresive with spotting them

Coach is pointing him to the Jeff Ruby Stakes On March 23rd..

[JBEX]

Coach is pointing him to the Jeff Ruby Stakes On March 23rd..

very aggressive putting him in a $700k race..we'll see

[batt33]

very aggressive putting him in a $700k race..we'll see

Like you said... Lukas is aggressive in placing them!

[JBEX]

maybe he's also entered in that oaklawn listed stakes and will have to decide..not sure how those things work ..really makes a lot more sense

[batt33]

maybe he's also entered in that oaklawn listed stakes and will have to decide..not sure how those things work ..really makes a lot more sense

They decided to bypass the Oaklawn race .... Lukas felt the "Jeff Ruby" gave the horse the best chance to reach the derby.

[JBEX]

They decided to bypass the Oaklawn race .... Lukas felt the "Jeff Ruby" gave the horse the best chance to reach the derby.

didn't think about derby points and it's an obvious consideration.. if he ran in the oaklawn race the only other realistic race (considering spacing) to get him in would've been the lexington stakes and the points are less for that one..who knows;he may like the tapeta surface

[batt33]

didn't think about derby points and it's an obvious consideration.. if he ran in the oaklawn race the only other realistic race (considering spacing) to get him in would've been the lexington stakes and the points are less for that one..who knows;he may like the tapeta surface

Yea, I think that's why they are pointing for the Jeff Ruby. Never know about the Tapeta factor..

[JBEX]

Yea, I think that's why they are pointing for the Jeff Ruby. Never know about the Tapeta factor..

without question his dam sire "smart strike" is a top 5 that I've seen for getting a high class turf or dirt runner..could bode well for liking tapeta .. not enough alone to put me on him but I feel it's a positive

[batt33]

[Easy-Rider 66]

you play Turfway at all Batt33? Solid track to play imo with big fields and shots coming in ..

[batt33]

you play Turfway at all Batt33? Solid track to play imo with big fields and shots coming in ..

once in a great while.... and I keep reminding myself why I play it once in a while

[Easy-Rider 66]

once in a great while.... and I keep reminding myself why I play it once in a while

OK Batt33 LOL.

[JBEX]

going to sit tight with "deterministic" and "born noble" ..latter I'm hoping will be going in the florida derby in 2 weeks..he's 99+ currently in this round of betting while deterministic is around 13

[batt33]

Can't complain about how "Sieze the Grey" ran.... just needed a little more to get second. I wonder if the winner is going to the derby the trainer said he was looking at the undercard on Derby day before he ran this race.

[batt33]

Also been nominated to the Lexington... Coach going old school..... as far as racing into shape instead of training into shape.
As long as the horse indicates he can handle it.... I'm good with it...

[Easy-Rider 66]

Lukas I believe is known to push his horses hard by today's standards.

[batt33]

Lukas I believe is known to push his horses hard by today's standards.

maybe the horse is a throwback to the " old days"...

[batt33]

so you know who "just steel" training partners were back in the very beginning? and a horse who was thought of a little more?

[batt33]

I think that would be a good spot for him but the blue grass comes up too quick..could possibly see the Lexington..week later and weaker field..still 3 weeks is kind of quick but I believe Lukas is and has been for a while aggresive with spotting them

I was thinking about the "coaches" horse "seize the grey". Depending on how he does in his next race Could use the one-mile $200,000 Hot Springs S. on Mar. 23 as a bridge to a Kentucky Derby points race at Keeneland—either the $1-million G1 Blue Grass S. Apr. 6 or the $400,000 G3 Lexington S. April 13. according to Lukas.

Got it done in the Pat Day mile!