DG's 2013 Thread

[keemosabi]

I was hoping they would both be playing so that does suck a bit they're out so obviously I don't like it quite as much.

I still think it hits though. Bryzgalov and Fleury are the starters and both seem to get easily rattled when playing each other so hopefully someone lets in a soft one early and then the flood gates open.

PIT is the highest scoring 1st period team in the league and PHI is top 5 in goals for and against in the 1st so it definitely still looks solid.

Okay cool. Thanks for the info. Good luck to us.

[PuckIt]

I think it hits, not so sure it'll be the pens putting them in the net though. I played PHI TTO2.5.

[DennisGreen]

Fcuk knew I shoulda just hit up WAS ML, Rangers are brutal. Tortorella has got to be close to getting canned.

[DennisGreen]

Looks like the over is gonna be a push after the 1st

[atofsu32111]

I feel like I lose more 5 then 5.5 ....... is there something to that? I feel like under 5 is to tough

[DennisGreen]

Wow fcuk me it's looking like an Opposite Day where nothing goes as it should

0-0 after 1 coming in PIT
1st period under is a mega lock

[atofsu32111]

Don't think I ever win games involving the rangers.....

[DennisGreen]

COL Under 2.5 (-107)

-Prob wanna fade this, it's Opposite Day and looking like I can't win.

[nammertl]

just got home expecting 5 goals in the first already. lol. looks like the end of easy money involving these two.

[DennisGreen]

That was downright embarrassing. Guess the rivalry is dead for now. I'm never posting a trend again here it's the ultimate curse

Smashed a bunch of shit watching the ugly 1st period. Hucked my phone at the wall I was so rattled

[Totolover1409]

I bet the Over 2.5 on accident. F me.

[Totolover1409]

As well as tailed your plays today. Just a bad day i guess

[DennisGreen]

If you would have told me it would be 1-0 Philly after the 2nd I would have laughed in your face. Unreal never thought I'd see the day these two plays a defensive battle like this

[DennisGreen]

What a miracle push on the under 5 in NYC

4 in the 1st, 0 in the 2nd and 3rd

[DennisGreen]

Disappointed the 1st period play didn't hit but I hit the over in their last 12 meetings before that so I can't really complain I guess

Still up a boatload of cash on their games so no regrets on that play at all. Just the way she goes sometimes.

[DennisGreen]

Pretty much for sure I will be live betting the over 5.5 in the TB/WPG game. It's sitting at -150 right now at the 2nd INT so I'm gonna wait a few minutes into the 3rd and try to get a nicer price.

Here's to hoping they don't score in the first few minutes of the 3rd

[DennisGreen]

Was only a matter of time before the Pens tied it. There was no way Mr. Universe was shutting them out at home

I almost live bet Pens ML after the 2nd but ended up passing.

[DennisGreen]

LIVE BET: TB/WPG Over 5.5 (+100) [16:35]

[hockey216]

what's your thought on lightning firing guy boucher dg? try getting good defense and goaltending TB. not firing coach. yzerman to blame i think not boucher. yzerman's moves didnt work out.

[hockey216]

sry duplicate

[DennisGreen]

what's your thought on lightning firing guy boucher dg?

Disappointed as a gambler as he was the only coach in the league to pull his goalie down 3 with like 4 minutes left in the 3rd

As a hockey fan I think they needed a scapegoat and he ultimately took the fall for his team. I don't really know if it's his fault though as Tampa has pretty sketchy D and goaltending this year anyways. Maybe the players quit on him though you never know what goes on behind closed doors.

[DennisGreen]

The Lightning really should have gotten Luongo. He would have been a great fit there playing in a non-pressure filled market. I really hope Gillis lowers his asking price and just takes what he can get for him at the deadline. There were rumors in the summer he could have gotten Kadri and Bozak from the Leafs. If he turned that down he seriously should be fired

[hockey216]

Disappointed as a gambler as he was the only coach in the league to pull his goalie down 3 with like 4 minutes left in the 3rd

As a hockey fan I think they needed a scapegoat and he ultimately took the fall for his team. I don't really know if it's his fault though as Tampa has pretty sketchy D and goaltending this year anyways. Maybe the players quit on him though you never know what goes on behind closed doors.

agree. boucher good coach. they got terrible D and goaltending. tough for any coach to win with that. he tried to preach a better defensive game to players. he has a fiery attitude. yells at players. often times players tune out those guys after a while. they probably tuned boucher out and quit on him. but he took the fall instead of yzerman.

[DennisGreen]

Canucks gave me an unreal scare there at the end but COL Under 2.5 comes through

3-2 final in WPG though

[hockey216]

COL Under 2.5 (-107)

-Prob wanna fade this, it's Opposite Day and looking like I can't win.

hit your first under for more than 1unit? nice winner.

got the push on was/ny game too. prob got a rush and were happy to push after 4 goals in 1st lol. you're never down and out until that 6th goal is in.

[DennisGreen]

hit your first under for more than 1unit? nice winner.

got the push on was/ny game too. prob got a rush and were happy to push after 4 goals in 1st lol. you're never down and out until that 6th goal is in.

Yup that was an unreal push Their last meeting was 2-1 after the 1st and it ended up pushing as well.

Yeah I added the 2nd unit on the COL TT Under partially because I was tilted about the PHI/PIT 1st debacle

[DennisGreen]

Live bet falters

Thought for sure that would hit once Tampa made it 3-2. Ah well. A losing day, but not a burial at least which it could have been.

[hockey216]

every game under or push today.

[DennisGreen]

1-2-1 -$263 on the day.

Very easily could have been -$500+ though with the way things started.

[DennisGreen]

every game under or push today.

Yeah I noticed that too, unreal.

[swordsandtequila]

what's your thought on lightning firing guy boucher dg? try getting good defense and goaltending TB. not firing coach. yzerman to blame i think not boucher. yzerman's moves didnt work out.

Disappointed as a gambler as he was the only coach in the league to pull his goalie down 3 with like 4 minutes left in the 3rd

As a hockey fan I think they needed a scapegoat and he ultimately took the fall for his team. I don't really know if it's his fault though as Tampa has pretty sketchy D and goaltending this year anyways. Maybe the players quit on him though you never know what goes on behind closed doors.

agree. boucher good coach. they got terrible D and goaltending. tough for any coach to win with that. he tried to preach a better defensive game to players. he has a fiery attitude. yells at players. often times players tune out those guys after a while. they probably tuned boucher out and quit on him. but he took the fall instead of yzerman.

Boucher needed to go, players quit responding to him. You can blame the goaltending and the defense all you want (and our veteran defensemen are average at best), but truth be told our defensive system sucks, and has sucked. We give up the blue line too easy, we chase from side to side, and with the exception of the young guys don't hit or clear the crease. Watch a game, players take multiple swipes at pucks in the crease without getting knocked on their ass. I don't care how good the goaltender is, eventually your gonna give up goals. The young guys I referred to are the so called "Syracuse seven", they broke/set numerous records in the AHL last year, and there's more coming so the future looks bright, just not so much this year. Prior to Jeff Vinik (owner) and Yzerman we had no farm system, our scouting was poor at best. The previous regime (may they burn in hell) gutted the team and got nothing in return but cash in their pockets. And before I get trolled, I say "we" as a lifelong Tampa resident not because I think I'm part of the team. I do know some of the inside guys, our announcers, and the reason we have a team, Phil Esposito, so I'm not speaking out of my ass.

[hockey216]

Boucher needed to go, players quit responding to him. You can blame the goaltending and the defense all you want (and our veteran defensemen are average at best), but truth be told our defensive system sucks, and has sucked. We give up the blue line too easy, we chase from side to side, and with the exception of the young guys don't hit or clear the crease. Watch a game, players take multiple swipes at pucks in the crease without getting knocked on their ass. I don't care how good the goaltender is, eventually your gonna give up goals. The young guys I referred to are the so called "Syracuse seven", they broke/set numerous records in the AHL last year, and there's more coming so the future looks bright, just not so much this year. Prior to Jeff Vinik (owner) and Yzerman we had no farm system, our scouting was poor at best. The previous regime (may they burn in hell) gutted the team and got nothing in return but cash in their pockets. And before I get trolled, I say "we" as a lifelong Tampa resident not because I think I'm part of the team. I do know some of the inside guys, our announcers, and the reason we have a team, Phil Esposito, so I'm not speaking out of my ass.

so do you blame boucher for the defensive problems? i thought he was preaching play better defense. he RIPPED the team after loss to bruins after blew 2-0 lead and lost in last minute because of stupid offensive gamle shorthanded. so bad they took video off web. audio clip still out there. why did playesr stop responding? because they got pride and dont like getting yelled at? im sick and tired of players not caring, and then getting bailed out by coaching job. it lets the players off the hook. tampa bay has shitty defense. How is that coaches fault? he tries to clean them up. but the players just want to go out and be superstars on offense but not play defense. look at ovechkin/capitals. teams can't win that way. Yzerman should have gone after Luongo. not stay with shitty goaltending, and then blame and fire coach.

[swordsandtequila]

so do you blame boucher for the defensive problems? i thought he was preaching play better defense. he RIPPED the team after loss to bruins after blew 2-0 lead and lost in last minute because of stupid offensive gamle shorthanded. so bad they took video off web. audio clip still out there. why did playesr stop responding? because they got pride and dont like getting yelled at? im sick and tired of players not caring, and then getting bailed out by coaching job. it lets the players off the hook. tampa bay has shitty defense. How is that coaches fault? he tries to clean them up. but the players just want to go out and be superstars on offense but not play defense. look at ovechkin/capitals. teams can't win that way. Yzerman should have gone after Luongo. not stay with shitty goaltending, and then blame and fire coach.

At the end of the day, yes, he's the head coach. I like the guy and think he did a really good job considering what he walked into (new ownership, etc, as stated above). It's his system, and the system sucks. Back off, chase, chase some more, struggle to get out of your zone (especially against physical teams), get worn down, give up a goal. Two years ago when the Bolts were one goal away from going to the finals (I'm sure you remember ) they played that funky 1-3-1 defense with no better defensive talent than we have now. Stand them up at the blue line, make it hard to enter your zone. Now we give that sh*t away. Trust me, I've watched this team since its inception. They employed a similar system under Tortorella, the difference is they blocked a sh*tload of shots, goaltender stood on his head, and we had guys on the back line that could move the puck. Prior ownership gave Dan Boyle away, hasn't been the same since. Your welcome San Jose. Back on point, some of it's on the players, but if you don't have the players to run your system, adjust your system. Or lose. And get fired.

[snakie]

so do you blame boucher for the defensive problems? i thought he was preaching play better defense. he RIPPED the team after loss to bruins after blew 2-0 lead and lost in last minute because of stupid offensive gamle shorthanded. so bad they took video off web. audio clip still out there. why did playesr stop responding? because they got pride and dont like getting yelled at? im sick and tired of players not caring, and then getting bailed out by coaching job. it lets the players off the hook. tampa bay has shitty defense. How is that coaches fault? he tries to clean them up. but the players just want to go out and be superstars on offense but not play defense. look at ovechkin/capitals. teams can't win that way. Yzerman should have gone after Luongo. not stay with shitty goaltending, and then blame and fire coach.

First of all: I don't know your background in NHL-knowledge, and the Lightning... My own is very limited at best...
But it seems you're assuming a lot, without any real source or reason to what you're saying... Don't get me wrong, it seems that way to me as well...
But the thing swordsandtequila wrote seems more backed up, and it seems like he has reason to write stuff like that... So I'm not sure where you get your oppinions, and would like to hear your reason why you think it can't be coachs fault, since swordsandtequila explains pretty well, how the players are inadequate, but the system are far worse...
I heard about the "ripping of the team" after the Bruins-game, but it seems like you're assuming (again) that the players stopped caring, and didn't like getting yelled at, and so on...
Nothing against you and your oppinions, at all... But maybe there's something to it, when swordsandtequila writes like he does...
There's a difference between telling your players to play better defense and stop making ridiculous decisions in games, and to actually teach a better defensive system, which, I think, was the problem (drawing conclusion from what swordsandtequila wrote)...
Just my 5 cents...

[snakie]

some of it's on the players, but if you don't have the players to run your system, adjust your system. Or lose. And get fired.

Very wise words....