Sideloaded's killing you with kindness mma picks

MD · 04-23-13, 08:15 AM

Originally posted by sideloaded

recover it gambling or just recover that much cash?

Just recover it. By any means.

sideloaded · 04-23-13, 08:18 AM

Like I said probably within a few business days, because I would require another signature. That is why I dont really count it as my net worth/bank roll.

MD · 04-23-13, 08:21 AM

I'm referring to your entire bankroll. You said "my bankroll is my net worth". If you lost the bankroll you're referring to, how long would it take you to recoup it? 0-10 years? 10-20?

sideloaded · 04-23-13, 08:29 AM

no way to know that my man

MD · 04-23-13, 08:30 AM

Originally posted by sideloaded

no way to know that my man

I know, you can guess though. 10-20 years? 50-60? 10-50? You must have a ballpark; we're gamblers, we think about this stuff.

sideloaded · 04-23-13, 08:33 AM

Originally posted by MD

I know, you can guess though. 10-20 years? 50-60? 10-50? You must have a ballpark; we're gamblers, we think about this stuff.

Well I cant because I've had some insane crazy luck like in 2009, That I would've never seen coming in 2007. So I just roll with life.

MD · 04-23-13, 08:36 AM

Originally posted by sideloaded

Well I cant because I've had some insane crazy luck like in 2009, That I would've never seen coming in 2007. So I just roll with life.

If you lost it, and then put all of your time into regaining it? Let's say you worked three jobs. You worked 18 hours a day, slept for four hours, and travelled/ate/whatever for the remaining two. Expenses were minimal. Could you do it in under 40 years? Yes or no is fine.

sideloaded · 04-23-13, 08:41 AM

Originally posted by MD

If you lost it, and then put all of your time into regaining it? Let's say you worked three jobs. You worked 18 hours a day, slept for four hours, and travelled/ate/whatever for the remaining two. Expenses were minimal. Could you do it in under 40 years? Yes or no is fine.

I already told you man, I would just need to a few business days and another signature to get it all back.

MD · 04-23-13, 08:53 AM

Ok. Well, that settles our bet then. The only remaining step is defining "losing your Kelly bankroll".

To make it simple for you, to lose your Kelly bankroll implies infinitely recurring negative utility. In layman's terms, a true Kelly bankroll cannot be regained through any means. None. Once you lose your Kelly bankroll, you cannot regain it.

Points plz.

sideloaded · 04-23-13, 09:07 AM

Originally posted by MD

Ok. Well, that settles our bet then. The only remaining step is defining "losing your Kelly bankroll".

To make it simple for you, to lose your Kelly bankroll implies infinitely recurring negative utility. In layman's terms, a true Kelly bankroll cannot be regained through any means. None. Once you lose your Kelly bankroll, you cannot regain it.

Points plz.

I said I bet full kelly. Not my entire BR. Maybe I said that earlier in the thread I dunno. But like I said I was talking about the units which I dont really use in real life.

MD · 04-23-13, 09:11 AM

Originally posted by sideloaded

I said I bet full kelly. Not my entire BR. Maybe I said that earlier in the thread I dunno. But like I said I was talking about the units which I dont really use in real life.

I didn't say you bet your entire bankroll. Here's the wager I proposed, which you accepted:

Originally posted by MD

If you tell me what your bankroll is in whatever variation of units you want to (including your car loan and whatever else you have on McMann, please specify if it's just car loan), and then tell me how many units you have on Sara McMann, and it's a full Kelly wager from your Kelly bankroll, you win. If you have $10000 with $5000 on McMann, you could say 10 units with 5 on McMann, or 55 units with 27.5 on McMann, or whatever. Do we have a bet?

Your Kelly bankroll is unrecoverable.

sideloaded · 04-23-13, 09:16 AM

and I told you im not giving you all the info to even grade your wager

sideloaded · 04-23-13, 09:21 AM

Originally posted by MD

Ok. Well, that settles our bet then. The only remaining step is defining "losing your Kelly bankroll".

To make it simple for you, to lose your Kelly bankroll implies infinitely recurring negative utility. In layman's terms, a true Kelly bankroll cannot be regained through any means. None. Once you lose your Kelly bankroll, you cannot regain it.

Points plz.

no need for stupid shit like this, we can all read wikipedia

MD · 04-23-13, 09:21 AM

Originally posted by sideloaded

and I told you im not giving you all the info to even grade your wager

I don't need it. A Kelly bankroll is unrecoverable by any means. The terms of the wager were: "...tell me how many units you have on Sara McMann, and it's a full Kelly wager from your Kelly bankroll, you win." You couldn't have been using your entire Kelly bankroll, because it is the sum of all of your obtainable assets, and is completely unrecoverable when lost. As per your post, you could regain what you define as your bankroll with time. Thus, you weren't making a Kelly wager using your Kelly bankroll.

Consider it a lesson on Kelly for only 150 points. Bargain I'd say.

sideloaded · 04-23-13, 09:24 AM

Originally posted by MD

I don't need it. A Kelly bankroll is unrecoverable by any means. The terms of the wager were: "...tell me how many units you have on Sara McMann, and it's a full Kelly wager from your Kelly bankroll, you win." You couldn't have been using your entire Kelly bankroll, because it is the sum of all of your obtainable assets, and is completely unrecoverable when lost. As per your post, you could regain what you define as your bankroll with time. Thus, you weren't making a Kelly wager using your Kelly bankroll.

Consider it a lesson on Kelly for only 150 points. Bargain I'd say.

you're a f-cking idiot

MD · 04-23-13, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by sideloaded

you're a f-cking idiot

Why would I take a bet like that if I weren't 100% sure I'd win? No one else on SBR would take that wager, because obviously they'd think they're missing something. When Nunya and I offered tbird +5000 on Shamhalaev against Pat Curran after the fight had taken place, it was because we thought someone was silly enough to accept the wager. I didn't even think you'd accept to be honest. You did, though.

sideloaded · 04-23-13, 09:34 AM

Originally posted by MD

Why would I take a bet like that if I weren't 100% sure I'd win? No one else on SBR would take that wager, because obviously they'd think they're missing something. When Nunya and I offered tbird +5000 on Shamhalaev against Pat Curran after the fight had taken place, it was because we thought someone was silly enough to accept the wager. I didn't even think you'd accept to be honest. You did, though.

Like I said, I never gave you the info to even grade your retarded wager

sideloaded · 04-23-13, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by MD

Why would I take a bet like that if I weren't 100% sure I'd win?

Because it's pretty clear you're retarded and about 18 years old.

MD · 04-23-13, 09:35 AM

Errr, yeah, you kind of did, Sider. You can't be making a full Kelly wager using your Kelly bankroll using the information you gave me. It's not possible.

Are you welshing on our bet?

MD · 04-23-13, 09:36 AM

Originally posted by sideloaded

Because it's pretty clear you're retarded and about 18 years old.

You're 26, on an internet forum, trying to welsh on a bet you lost, which you made with someone you think is "retarded and about 18 years old". GG.

sideloaded · 04-23-13, 09:37 AM

Originally posted by MD

Errr, yeah, you kind of did, Sider. You can't be making a full Kelly wager using your Kelly bankroll using the information you gave me. It's not possible.

Are you welshing on our bet?

go away kid

sideloaded · 04-23-13, 09:37 AM

Originally posted by MD

You're 26, on an internet forum, trying to welsh on a bet you lost, which you made with someone you think is "retarded and about 18 years old". GG.

gabe is 26 not me

MD · 04-23-13, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by sideloaded

gabe is 26 not me

I think you're lying. Anyway, per Ganchrow:

http://forum.sbrforum.com/handicapper-think-tank/60052-when-alright-go-all-p2.html#post603617

Originally posted by Ganchrow

A Kelly bankroll refers to the entirety of all one's assets (financial and otherwise), including all mortgageable and stealable assets, as well as the present value of the future stream of one's income. If losing everything implies infinitely negative utility then losing everything needs to be a fate as generally unfavorable as death.

I'm going out to dinner now; when I get back I expect to have 150 points extra. If not, you're clearly a welsh. There's literally no argument that can be made that you didn't lose this wager.

Have a nice day, Sider.

sideloaded · 04-23-13, 09:43 AM

Originally posted by MD

I think you're lying. Anyway, per Ganchrow:

http://forum.sbrforum.com/handicapper-think-tank/60052-when-alright-go-all-p2.html#post603617

I'm going out to dinner now; when I get back I expect to have 150 points extra. If not, you're clearly a welsh. There's literally no argument that can be made that you didn't lose this wager.

Have a nice day, Sider.

So? Like I said I never bet my entire BR for the 10th time. I bet FULL Kelly you stupid f-ck.

MD · 04-23-13, 09:44 AM

Originally posted by sideloaded

So? Like I said I never bet my entire BR for the 10th time. I bet FULL Kelly you stupid f-ck.

That is not the point. The point is that you didn't bet full Kelly with your Kelly bankroll, which was the terms of the wager. I wagered that you didn't bet full Kelly with your Kelly bankroll. And you didn't. Are you welshing on our bet?

The only reason I even offered you the bet was to show you that you're wrong. Never dreamed you'd accept.

sideloaded · 04-23-13, 09:46 AM

Originally posted by MD

That is not the point. The point is that you didn't bet full Kelly with your Kelly bankroll

But I did.

goodfellas433 · 04-23-13, 09:47 AM

Sooooooo....I think I am making a small play on Vinny....Lmao.

sideloaded · 04-23-13, 09:49 AM

I bet full kelly. Somehow you think that I bet my entire bank roll. I dont see how you can be this dumb AND arrogant.

MD · 04-23-13, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by sideloaded

But I did.

No, you didn't. I just proved that. How can you make a full Kelly wager with your Kelly bankroll if it can be recovered? Did you factor in how much your kidneys are worth? How about how much you can steal?

Give it up. Pay up or welsh, bruhv.

MD · 04-23-13, 09:51 AM

Originally posted by sideloaded

I bet full kelly. Somehow you think that I bet my entire bank roll. I dont see how you can be this dumb AND arrogant.

Feigning ignorance to try and welsh out on our bet. Nice. You are a pussy.

sideloaded · 04-23-13, 09:54 AM

Originally posted by MD

No, you didn't. I just proved that. How can you make a full Kelly wager with your Kelly bankroll if it can be recovered? Did you factor in how much your kidneys are worth? How about how much you can steal?

Give it up. Pay up or welsh, bruhv.

You didnt proove shit. Stop talking in circles. Why would it need to be recovered? I would still have over a third left.

sideloaded · 04-23-13, 09:54 AM

Originally posted by MD

Feigning ignorance to try and welsh out on our bet. Nice. You are a pussy.

Just stop, you are so lost.

sideloaded · 04-23-13, 09:58 AM

I told you my edge, what I bet it at (-600) and that I used full kelly.

THEN I SAID THIS in response to your other questions

Originally posted by sideloaded

Like I said probably within a few business days, because I would require another signature. That is why I dont really count it as my net worth/bank roll.

Yet you go on and on and call me a welch. I dont want your points. I want you to leave me alone.

gabe · 04-23-13, 10:13 AM

lol MD loves to argue. I just remembered that I had put him on ignore last time around before I got banned. Him and DirtyX's friend... DirtyX lmao where is that guy? probably dead or in jail.

sideloaded · 04-23-13, 10:25 AM

I've read this five times and still have no idea what he is saying.

Originally posted by MD

No, you didn't. I just proved that. How can you make a full Kelly wager with your Kelly bankroll if it can be recovered? Did you factor in how much your kidneys are worth? How about how much you can steal?

Give it up. Pay up or welsh, bruhv.

Somehow losing a full kelly wager, and recovering your BR makes the previous wager not a fully kelly wager.