Tuf 15: Live

[helpplease]

Luca u the man bro .. I follow this guy on twitter and he is in my opinion the best guy to go to if u want a second opinion about ur own picks when u bet .. though sometimes he can be a little too confident on certain fighters and pulls the gun too quickly without giving much second thought .. but for the most part his picks and breakdowns are top notch .. but we all have losing nights and that's including him .

without losses though we would not get better at handicapping fights and betting in general .

u the man bro .

P.S : FK u @wannabet I saw that nasty shit u said to Luca on twitter which was in my opinion totally unprovoked .. I honestly think you are jealous of this guy .. I REALLY DO .. never seen anyone so obsessed so much with another person going as far as posting those nasty hateful shit on ur twitter on various other forums ..

[Thor4140]

Gonna take Chiesa here. If he can just hold him down for two rounds. I think he wins round one but if he gasses in round two its curtains.

[Luca Fury]

Viiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiccccccccccccccccccccccc ccccccccckkkkkk. The boxer beats the brawler

Vick Baby !!!

Nice call, gents. Congrats on the + $ win

Personally, I ended up staying away. Thought Proctor might be able to grapple him, but Vick is improving and much bigger.

[Luca Fury]

Luca u the man bro .. I follow this guy on twitter and he is in my opinion the best guy to go to if u want a second opinion about ur own picks when u bet .. though sometimes he can be a little too confident on certain fighters and pulls the gun too quickly without giving much second thought .. but for the most part his picks and breakdowns are top notch .. but we all have losing nights and that's including him .

without losses though we would not get better at handicapping fights and betting in general .

u the man bro .

P.S : FK u @wannabet I saw that nasty shit u said to Luca on twitter which was in my opinion totally unprovoked .. I honestly think you are jealous of this guy .. I REALLY DO .. never seen anyone so obsessed so much with another person going as far as posting those nasty hateful shit on ur twitter on various other forums ..

Thanks, man! Much appreciated!

Glad you enjoy my stuff

[THE_LOCKSMITH]

don't get what Lawrence gameplan is

[GoGoGadget]

justin is an idiot, Cruz was asking him to pull away the whole round. Just playing defense from the top the entire round.

[Luca Fury]

Bad fight IQ is striking TUF again. Proctor decided to stand with 6'3" Vick and now Lawrence is playing BJJ with Chiesa.

The show seems to be a magnet for guys fighting with the worst possible game plans. One of the reasons I'm mostly avoiding bets on it now.

[JOSHKROTCHNECK]

Exactly.

I never did anything like that to him. We had disagreed on stuff in the past and I always ended up being the right one, so I guess he got jealous. Then, after I finally lost, he goes and bashes me on three different outlets for no reason. Completely unprovoked.

In the end, he only made himself look bad. Everyone knows you don't win every bet. It can't be avoided, so he really didn't harm me with his bashing. But acting like an immature, classless moron CAN ben avoided, so he just need up making a fool out of himself.

Reading back I actually thought you must of done something for him to go all over the net at the first sight of you losing and bad mouth you heavily. I didnt think someone would go so low for no reason but it seems like he has chip on his shoulder or is jealous maybe ? I dont know the situation. The irony is he jumped to call you smug but he was actually being smug himself in acting like nostradamus after the fact. We all are infinitely smarter after our bets play out. Its the logic preceding the bet itself that is of any worth. What happens happens after that.

[Mercersux]

Thanks, man! Much appreciated!

Glad you enjoy my stuff

Thanks buddy. Have Chiesa too so hopefully i can sweep.

[THE_LOCKSMITH]

man he had he hurt to the body

[Luca Fury]

Reading back I actually thought you must of done something for him to go all over the net at the first sight of you losing and bad mouth you heavily. I didnt think someone would go so low for no reason but it seems like he has chip on his shoulder or is jealous maybe ? I dont know the situation. The irony is he jumped to call you smug but he was actually being smug himself in acting like nostradamus after the fact. We all are infinitely smarter after our bets play out. Its the logic preceding the bet itself that is of any worth. What happens happens after that.

Yup, that's why I popped on to defend myself. I didn't want people thinking I was the jerk that he tried to make me look like. So, I knew had to post proof that I'm honest one and that he's the liar.

I don't like to get into arguments, since they're just a waste of time, but I wanted to defend myself.

[GoGoGadget]

hurts him badly and decides to go into the guys guard again....

[Luca Fury]

Thanks buddy. Have Chiesa too so hopefully i can sweep.

I would wish you luck, but I have a small Galvao/Straus/Lawrence parlay using some free roll money that is in effect right now.

I will still make a profit for the night even if Lawrence loses, though. So maybe it would be better if Chiesa wins, since you might need to win this bet more than me.

[THE_LOCKSMITH]

F U Lawrtence

[GoGoGadget]

Justin is so dumb.. LOL suck it! he deserves that, what a knucklehead

[Mercersux]

Chiesa baby whoooo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[THE_LOCKSMITH]

guy has nothing on top why are you taking him down

[Vitooch]

Wow that's a great win by Chiesa. I've always liked that guy.

[GoGoGadget]

Justin you block head, you were on top the whole first round and lost it...

so why do you keep wanting to go to the ground? Easily outstriking him. Cruz must be fn pissed, Lawrence didn't listen to him at all.

[GoGoGadget]

Pre-fight interview was funny though

Cruz "sprawl and brawl"

[Mercersux]

Wow that's a great win by Chiesa. I've always liked that guy.

Yeah he's one of my favs of the season too. He's even better when he's an almost 3-1 dog and wins. Almost looked like he was on his way to fading at the end of the second though so def lucked out.

[Thor4140]

Justin you block head, you were on top the whole first round and lost it...

so why do you keep wanting to go to the ground? Easily outstriking him. Cruz must be fn pissed, Lawrence didn't listen to him at all.

i think the idiot was gassed. Chiesa oh brother he can't take a body shot. If i hit someone to the body like that and saw him almost cry that is all he is gonna see. Chiesa would get killed with the worst guy in the UFC

[Luca Fury]

Glad I chose to use a bit of that free roll on the Lawrence parlay instead of real money. Bad fight IQ is rampant on TUF. Can't bet my own money on it after Rio and Jury blew eases fight by fighting incredibly dumb. Now Proctor and Lawrence do the same tonight.

Whew... Dodged a bullet!

Thankfully Galvao and Straus won me money on Bellator.

[Jesus Christ]

Never seen anyone fight dumber than Lawrence did in that fight....low fight IQ and tiny fight heart is not a winning combination in this sport.

Congrats to the Cheisa backers

[Thor4140]

Never seen anyone fight dumber than Lawrence did in that fight....low fight IQ and tiny fight heart is not a winning combination in this sport.

Congrats to the Cheisa backers

Well the kid is 21. I thought it was really strange when he had Chiesa down and wouldn't put Chiesa head into the cage like Cruz was screaming. It reminded me of that one tuff with that kid Andy Wang i think his name was. Kid wouldn't listen for anything lol.

[Luca Fury]

You know what's really funny now?

Wanna Bet was bashing me for betting on TUF and then complaining about the guy losing because he fought dumb.

He bet Lawrence and is now whining on twitter about him fighting dumb.

Is there a bigger hypocrite than this guy? Serious question.

[Jesus Christ]

Well the kid is 21. I thought it was really strange when he had Chiesa down and wouldn't put Chiesa head into the cage like Cruz was screaming. It reminded me of that one tuff with that kid Andy Wang i think his name was. Kid wouldn't listen for anything lol.

What worried me is that even tho he was winning the stand up pretty clearly..he'd be happy to rest in the guard because he was exhausted and it was easier..that combined with what you said him not listening to very good advice from Cruz is worrisome.

He is only 21 and has some serious potential but I'm just saying those type of things are real red lights when looking at up and coming prospects in my eyes.

[Wanna Bet On It?]

Reading back I actually thought you must of done something for him to go all over the net at the first sight of you losing and bad mouth you heavily. I didnt think someone would go so low for no reason but it seems like he has chip on his shoulder or is jealous maybe ? I dont know the situation. The irony is he jumped to call you smug but he was actually being smug himself in acting like nostradamus after the fact. We all are infinitely smarter after our bets play out. Its the logic preceding the bet itself that is of any worth. What happens happens after that.

Seriously, you don't know shit about how the situation transpired so don't act like you do.

He's a c0cky prick who doesn't accept anyone else's opinion on fights if they see it differently. Never have I ever tried discussing MMA with another capper and felt so disrespected, by a brash kid who lives in his mom's basement in Minnesota no less.

When he falls flat on his face after being so c0cky to fellow cappers, it's natural to feel good about such a disrespectful piece of shit losing.

[Thor4140]

What worried me is that even tho he was winning the stand up pretty clearly..he'd be happy to rest in the guard because he was exhausted and it was easier..that combined with what you said him not listening to very good advice from Cruz is worrisome.

He is only 21 and has some serious potential but I'm just saying those type of things are real red lights when looking at up and coming prospects in my eyes.

i don't even know how he got gassed. almost like an adrenaline dump. This might be good for the kid. I think he was buying into his own hype. Then again he may just end up being another blockhead. Man like i said earlier he hits him to the body and Chiesa almost cries. he does it again and i think Chiesa did cry that time. It would have taken one more body shot but some reason he jumped on him.

[Luca Fury]

Seriously, you don't know shit about how the situation transpired so don't act like you do.

He's a c0cky prick who doesn't accept anyone else's opinion on fights if they see it differently. Never have I ever tried discussing MMA with another capper and felt so disrespected, by a brash kid who lives in his mom's basement in Minnesota no less.

When he falls flat on his face after being so c0cky to fellow cappers, it's natural to feel good about such a disrespectful piece of shit losing.

Again, how about you post some proof? All you've done is bash me and call me names.

I posted proof of everything I accused you of. How about you do the same. Until you do, you're just going to keep looking like a jealous hater and proving my point.

You flocked here to bash me behind my back and I came to defend myself, nothing more. And in return all you managed to do is turn the forum against you.

Now you're going and bashing other people who did nothing to you, just like you did to me. There seems to be a trend developing here, no?

Are you going to go and tweet about how JoshKrotchNeck is a "snake" and a "smug dipsh*t" because he disagreed with you? Or perhaps you'll bash him on the Sherdog forums instead.

[JOSHKROTCHNECK]

Seriously, you don't know shit about how the situation transpired so don't act like you do.

He's a c0cky prick who doesn't accept anyone else's opinion on fights if they see it differently. Never have I ever tried discussing MMA with another capper and felt so disrespected, by a brash kid who lives in his mom's basement in Minnesota no less.

When he falls flat on his face after being so c0cky to fellow cappers, it's natural to feel good about such a disrespectful piece of shit losing.

Exactly why I said " I dont know the situation" But you chose to air your pre pubescent crap on a public forum. If you care about people having an opinion on it then dont put it out. All im saying is why would you rub it in someones face when the lose a bet ? No one is infallible. Just makes you look immature but whatever.

[Luca Fury]

Exactly why I said " I dont know the situation" But you chose to air your pre pubescent crap on a public forum. If you care about people having an opinion on it then dont put it out. All im saying is why would you rub it in someones face when the lose a bet ? No one is infallible. Just makes you look immature but whatever.

Exactly. He lost on Lawrence tonight, but I'm not going around to every forum to bash him for making a bad bet. Nor am I calling him names and swearing when discussing him.

He just doesn't get that he's only digging his own grave.

[Luca Fury]

Chiesa baby whoooo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Congrats! Always nice to hit an underdog.

I lost a bit of free roll on Lawrence, but no sweat. Glad you were able to make some coin.

[JOSHKROTCHNECK]

Yup, that's why I popped on to defend myself. I didn't want people thinking I was the jerk that he tried to make me look like. So, I knew had to post proof that I'm honest one and that he's the liar.

I don't like to get into arguments, since they're just a waste of time, but I wanted to defend myself.

Dude that kid is way too emotional and transfixed with outdoing you to make objective rational betting decisions. Its funny what he trashed you on. Like not betting on certain things and picking favourites. Betting on everything is a sure fire way to spread yourself too thin and open yourself up to failure. Pretty obvious strategy.

[Luca Fury]

Dude that kid is way too emotional and transfixed with outdoing you to make objective rational betting decisions. Its funny what he trashed you on. Like not betting on certain things and picking favourites. Betting on everything is a sure fire way to spread yourself too thin and open yourself up to failure. Pretty obvious strategy.

Yup. It was funny how he said I only bet favorites, then bashed me for betting an underdog. LOL!

I bet on both. I pick my spots, though. He claims to bet $1000 per card then tweets that he had a great night and won $100. If you're betting $1000 and only winning $100, you need to seriously work on your strategy, IMO. He must bet every fight and hedge/arb them or something.

I can see only making 10 cents not he dollar in the long run, taking into account losing nights. But if a "great night" is is winning 10 cents on the dollar, he must only make like 1 or 2 cents on the dollar overall, or maybe even loses money.

That's just my 2 cents. I'm not going to go and insult him for only making that much, but I'll disagree with it. There is a difference.

I'm not going to tell people how they should spend their money, but don't go attacking someone's strategy when they make literally 30x what you do make per card and have a proven, winning strategy in the long-run, while you're doing much worse. It's like a little league player trying to tell an MLB player that he sucks at baseball.

I understand that not everyone is going to be able to go pro right away, but if you're someone doing it on the side, do go bashing the ones who do it for a living. If he wanted to say he disagrees with my strategy, OK, that's fine. But he doesn't do that, he goes around bashing and insulting me over nothing on every outlet he can.

Good for him for making some money, but don't go out of your way to bash someone because they're doing better than you.