UFC on FX 1: Guillard vs Miller

**gabe** · 01-17-12, 06:10 PM

Originally posted by BIGDAY

Also told myself I would play Brenneman in a few parlays if he was under -300. Don't see him losing.

why not take him straight?

**BIGDAY** · 01-17-12, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by gabe

why not take him straight?

Just did. Hoping 5dimes comes out with same odds spin can parlay. Bmaker pisses me off that they don't have parlay for MMA. Restricts a profit potential a ton IMO.

**BIGDAY** · 01-17-12, 06:31 PM

Usualy hate paying that much juice strait. But a winner is a winner when it cashes I guess.

**gabe** · 01-17-12, 06:44 PM

Yeah, I agree. I had no problem taking the huge juice with Pearson against Assuncao, Barboza against Pearson, El Cucuy against Riley and Edwards, especially Dunham against Bailey, Koscheck against Hughes, and last couple Jones/Silva fights.

**MMAbetMASTA** · 01-17-12, 09:18 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

To change the subject!..... I wonder what impact if any Guillard's permanent change to Blackzillians will have? As I understand it Jackson will no longer be in his corner. This is just another variable (all be it possibly minor) to throw in to the equation. Will this mean that Guillard won't go back to having an elusive game-plan like he did against Stephens which surely was instructed by Jackson? From what I've seen the Blackzillians don't seem to like being defensive and prefer to "show off their abilities". And although their is a lot of hype coming out of this camp, it's not like they've been setting the MMA world alight. Aside from Evans finishing Tito, and Rumble beating Brenneman comfortably, the likes of Guillard, Menace Johnson, Patrick, Jorge Santiago, and Rumble have all lost their recent fights.

lol thanks... I was wondering if the next 3 pages were going to be completely derailed by those two...

**MMAbetMASTA** · 01-17-12, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by Hannibal

Don't think its a good move for him...but he's black and cocky. He can't help but be attracted to other blacks with inflated egos and distorted reality.
It's likely that I am completely off, but I imagine that camp as a bunch of black guys constantly telling each other how good they are and no real leadership or intelligence except van arsdale who wishes he could still be a quality fighter instead of on the sidelines.

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

there is def some truth in this I think.... (not to be racist, either, but its sounds like a possible reality - especially the van arsdale part LOL...)

**proposition joe** · 01-17-12, 10:13 PM

I am LOVING Papazian's line at +265. He outclasses Easton EVERYWHERE but will probably use a wrestling based approach here.

**bogbat** · 01-17-12, 10:59 PM

Did anyone else catch Melvin Guillard on the sherdog radio network rewind? http://www.sherdog.com/radio/Rewind-...-Guillard-2217

He discusses what went down when he was caught in hurricane Katrina. It is very interesting stuff. After listening I have a new found respect for the guy. He truly is a hero.

**NunyaBidness** · 01-17-12, 11:03 PM

A hero who loves his cocaine.

**gabe** · 01-17-12, 11:06 PM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

A hero who loves his cocaine.

lmao yeah he totally looks like someone who loves blow.

i ran into leben in vegas after he KO'd wanderlei, man was he wasted!

**NunyaBidness** · 01-17-12, 11:09 PM

Report: Melvin Guillard tests positive for cocaine

http://www.mmamania.com/2007/04/13/report-melvin-guillard-tests-positive-for-cocaine/

Motormouth UFC lightweight Melvin Guillard got popped for cocaine -- an illegal stimulant and banned substance -- after his 27-second first round submission loss to Joe Stevenson at UFC Fight...

**Vaughany** · 01-18-12, 02:45 AM

Originally posted by gabe

lmao yeah he totally looks like someone who loves blow.

i ran into leben in vegas after he KO'd wanderlei, man was he wasted!

**gabe** · 01-18-12, 02:49 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

lol teeb and i ran into him at mgm while waiting for ari who was in the restroom. he was walking kinda fast with a friend and he bumped into me. i noticed it's him and was like "oh shit. hey man. great fight." or something of that nature and he completely ignored me and kept walking on lol

i saw him again a couple hours later while taking a cab to my room. he and his buddy were crossing the street right in front of my cab. still totally wasted. wasted walking zombies. lol

**Vaughany** · 01-18-12, 03:21 AM

Ha yeah, he's a zombie in and out of the octagon majority of the time!

**gabe** · 01-18-12, 03:33 AM

You know I'm dumb 'cos when I saw him, I said to myself that it'd be a smart idea to bet against him next time. He didn't look in that good of shape... and when his fight with Munoz was announced, I felt Munoz would win it very easily... but I ended up betting on Leben 'cos he was a dog and I was rooting for him. lol I had pretty much set myself up with a lock but bet opposite it.

**gabe** · 01-18-12, 03:35 AM

Sometimes I just can't bet on guys I know are gonna win... I really felt Overeem would win, and was looking for every reason to bet on Brock, but just couldn't bring myself to put a dollar on him. Knew Overeem would win. So I just took fight ends under 1.5 rounds instead.

**Beelzebubzy** · 01-18-12, 09:17 AM

anyone have any thoughts on Red/Rivera?

**Vaughany** · 01-18-12, 09:24 AM

Originally posted by Beelzebubzy

anyone have any thoughts on Red/Rivera?

I'd of taken Schafer at Evens or better. He'll have slight size and grappling advantage, and the Simpson fight showed that he's also got a decent chin and is resilient. Rivera on the other hand just has better striking but has minimal footwork and head-movement so isnt going to exactly pick-apart Schafer. He's clearly close to retirement as well - and if he loses this he may well retire.

**Beelzebubzy** · 01-18-12, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

I'd of taken Schafer at Evens or better. He'll have slight size and grappling advantage, and the Simpson fight showed that he's also got a decent chin and is resilient. Rivera on the other hand just has better striking but has minimal footwork and head-movement so isnt going to exactly pick-apart Schafer. He's clearly close to retirement as well - and if he loses this he may well retire.

Pretty similar to the breakdown I have. I am most likely staying away from most of the fights.

**Vaughany** · 01-18-12, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by Beelzebubzy

Pretty similar to the breakdown I have. I am most likely staying away from most of the fights.

Yeah a lot of them have too many variables for me. Wait and see if sportbet release props

**5mike5** · 01-18-12, 12:39 PM

yeah this card is weak, im not seeing much value either....probably hold my $$$ til next weekend

**bfour** · 01-18-12, 12:58 PM

Originally posted by proposition joe

I am LOVING Papazian's line at +265. He outclasses Easton EVERYWHERE but will probably use a wrestling based approach here.

Papazian is +300 at Bovada FYI.

**The HOFF** · 01-18-12, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by Beelzebubzy

anyone have any thoughts on Red/Rivera?

I'm on Schafer. I have no doubts that he can take Rivera down. I think Schafer can wear him down rather quickly and possibly get a late stoppage by submission. Rivera has never had any TDD and has shown some extremely poor cardio in his last few fights.

**omalley21** · 01-18-12, 02:18 PM

My friend trains with Rivera. Told me he didnt have a good camp against Philippou, waiting to hear from him about this camp. I will post the info I get.

**Educ8d Degener8** · 01-18-12, 03:20 PM

Lines up at 5dimes...

Lobbed a parlay on Miller / Schafer / Brenneman.

**Beelzebubzy** · 01-18-12, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by Educ8d Degener8

Lines up at 5dimes...

Lobbed a parlay on Miller / Schafer / Brenneman.

Whats the payout on this?

Im getting a 5dimes next month for small parlay reasons.

**Educ8d Degener8** · 01-18-12, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by Beelzebubzy

Whats the payout on this?

Im getting a 5dimes next month for small parlay reasons.

2.4 to 1; Miller -170 / Schafer -165 / Brenneman -300

Just a small action play, as I'm not super keen on this event.

Will probably be making solo plays on Miller and Schafer possibly, and maybe Nuromegedovhisnuts...

**Vaughany** · 01-19-12, 07:10 AM

Some funny stuff from Barry and Morecraft (particularly like... "Or it could end in a draw"!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYg_J7jO3zQ

**Vaughany** · 01-19-12, 07:14 AM

**Vaughany** · 01-19-12, 07:16 AM

Josh Neer and his wonky nose and best impresson of Nick Diaz... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q-XWsCBAx4

**Educ8d Degener8** · 01-19-12, 02:25 PM

I'm ready to lay some on Morecraft after readign this...

"I think it would be a dumb decision for me to stand in front of Pat Barry and let him kick me in the leg," said Morecraft, who fights for the first time since an admittedly tough knockout loss to Matt Mitrione. "It's obvious to stay away from that and execute my game plan. If I fight his fight and stand in front of him, of course he's going to kick the [expletive] out of my leg and pound my leg. The game plan is put him in the Lex Luger torture rack, throw him over the top rope like it's Wrestlemania X."

http://mmajunkie.com/news/27037/christian-morecrafts-ufc-on-fx-1-game-plan-inspired-by-lex-luger-wrestlemania.mma

**Vaughany** · 01-19-12, 02:28 PM

ha yeah, he's referenced pro-wrestling in most of his interviews and how he want's to throw Barry around!

**NunyaBidness** · 01-19-12, 05:11 PM

Awesome weigh-ins, no audio, camera a million miles away. So they fix it, by cutting to these two dummies talking instead.

**Vaughany** · 01-19-12, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

Awesome weigh-ins, no audio, camera a million miles away. So they fix it, by cutting to these two dummies talking instead.

haha just posted in my thread sayin what the **** is going on?! Can hear tht weigh-ins already started yet we're watchin Bonnar talking shit

**The HOFF** · 01-19-12, 05:14 PM

Yeah WTF is going on? Why am I watching Bonnar and Glazier?