UFC 140: Lesnar vs. Overeem set the odds!

Chairib · 08-17-11, 08:04 PM

You're such a little ******* fanboy

Jordan23 · 08-17-11, 08:10 PM

Originally posted by Chairib

You're such a little ******* fanboy

Yet I'm not a little bitch who talks shit behind a computer.

GunShard · 08-17-11, 08:34 PM

That would be an interesting match up.

JAKEPEAVY21 · 08-17-11, 08:37 PM

fight not to go the distance

Jordan23 · 08-17-11, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by GunShard

That would be an interesting match up.

Indeed. I would definitely favor Overeem considering the fact that Brock is coming off a long layoff and he doesn't react well to getting punched.

Also a lot of times Brock's takedowns are sluggish over the top and predictable(put his head down and push forward)...... I have a feeling if he tries that type of takedown on Overeem his head is going to catch a big KNEE.

I think Brock has to push Overeem against the fence and work a takedown from the clinch.

Wrecked · 08-17-11, 08:39 PM

Overeem sucks, he was getting picked apart by Werdum, and if Werdum's dumbass would have kept the fight standing he would have won.

jin2daj · 08-17-11, 08:41 PM

i got excited thinking this was going to happen...

FindTheLock · 08-17-11, 09:31 PM

I don't think either fighter is worth the hype they get, and I am not looking forward to seeing this fight at all. I prefer the fights that involve skill, and both of these guys have gotten too damn big to move. They both have 1 weapon which is neutralized if they were to fight each other. Strength!! and lot's of it. Other than that they are both just huge guys that don't like to get punched, and are too big to do much of anything else. This fight has the makings of a 1 round stoppage with either lesnar pounding Overeem on the ground, or Overeem kneeing lesnar in the head inside the first 30 seconds. A lot of hype with a quick disappointing outcome is my prediction. Who knows?? I hope I am wrong. I would love to see a great fight, but I just don't see it happening.

v1y · 08-17-11, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by FindTheLock

I don't think either fighter is worth the hype they get, and I am not looking forward to seeing this fight at all. I prefer the fights that involve skill, and both of these guys have gotten too damn big to move. They both have 1 weapon which is neutralized if they were to fight each other. Strength!! and lot's of it. Other than that they are both just huge guys that don't like to get punched, and are too big to do much of anything else. This fight has the makings of a 1 round stoppage with either lesnar pounding Overeem on the ground, or Overeem kneeing lesnar in the head inside the first 30 seconds. A lot of hype with a quick disappointing outcome is my prediction. Who knows?? I hope I am wrong. I would love to see a great fight, but I just don't see it happening.

completely disagree with everything in this post. lol at k1 champion overeem and ncaa d1 champion lesnar not having any skill. they're both underhyped.

To answer the OP, this fight is even odds, just as brock/jds was going to be.

brock can't stand with overeem, and the question is whether overeem can stop the takedown, or what he can do if he does get taken down.

kmdubya · 08-18-11, 12:40 AM

Originally posted by Jordan23

Yet I'm not a little bitch who talks shit behind a computer.

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what you just did there.

Jordan23 · 08-18-11, 12:43 AM

Originally posted by kmdubya

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what you just did there.

Do you have anything valuable you like to contribute?

kmdubya · 08-18-11, 01:23 AM

Originally posted by Jordan23

Do you have anything valuable you like to contribute?

Overeem -200

That about covers it for now.

FindTheLock · 08-18-11, 02:32 AM

Originally posted by v1y

completely disagree with everything in this post. lol at k1 champion overeem and ncaa d1 champion lesnar not having any skill. they're both underhyped.

To answer the OP, this fight is even odds, just as brock/jds was going to be.

brock can't stand with overeem, and the question is whether overeem can stop the takedown, or what he can do if he does get taken down.

we all can't agree on everything. Overeem looked muscle bound in his last fight. He reminded me a lot of bob sapp. Lesnar has a great frame for wrestling, but His advantage is always being 50 pounds of muscle heavier than his UFC opponents. Decent Strikers have given lesnar trouble so Overeem could be the pick if he can still throw a punch by the time this thing gets going. Being too big has it's disadvantages.

Vaughany · 08-18-11, 03:14 AM

Originally posted by FindTheLock

I don't think either fighter is worth the hype they get, and I am not looking forward to seeing this fight at all. I prefer the fights that involve skill, and both of these guys have gotten too damn big to move. They both have 1 weapon which is neutralized if they were to fight each other. Strength!! and lot's of it. Other than that they are both just huge guys that don't like to get punched, and are too big to do much of anything else. This fight has the makings of a 1 round stoppage with either lesnar pounding Overeem on the ground, or Overeem kneeing lesnar in the head inside the first 30 seconds. A lot of hype with a quick disappointing outcome is my prediction. Who knows?? I hope I am wrong. I would love to see a great fight, but I just don't see it happening.

Agreed, I find potential fights like Ben Henderson vs Guida or scheduled fights like Pettis vs Stephens a lot more exciting than this

sag3000 · 08-18-11, 03:50 AM

Brock Lesnar too big to move? Nah bro.. He's a freak athlete, not that many HW with flying knees and Shooting Star Press in their arsenal. Except his extreme disdain of getting hit, I think he has been improving a lot since he started. What I do not like so much is that the UFC again will be throwing him to a big name instead of letting him start in a lower tier where he atm belongs, and let him build his way up...

v1y · 08-18-11, 07:19 AM

seriously.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH0zJGl1NNk&feature=related

how can anyone watch overeem/duffee and say overeem is muscle bound. he moves incredibly well for a man of his size.

Pabinator · 08-18-11, 11:15 AM

If this fight were happening, Id take Brock. Overeem would not be able to do anything if Brock got on top

sirchadwick1 · 08-18-11, 12:52 PM

I'd take the Reem at -150 or better and Brock at +150 or better.

Guessing the opening line I'd go with:
Overeem -145
Lesnar +115

So I like the Reem there.

FindTheLock · 08-18-11, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by v1y

seriously.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH0zJGl1NNk&feature=related

how can anyone watch overeem/duffee and say overeem is muscle bound. he moves incredibly well for a man of his size.

that type of fighting allows overeem to focus on only punching and kneeing his opponent. It is a totally different overeem when you watch the tape of him fighting werdum. Take downs change the fight entirely, and that's all brock is going to try to do. Defending and attempting take downs expends a lot of energy, and being tired effects your ability to throw a punch. also notice that fight only lasted 18 seconds

Squareguy · 08-18-11, 04:47 PM

I think it would open up for -220 on reem and climb to -325 or more at fight time.

Kaladarus · 08-18-11, 05:29 PM

Reem -130
Lesnar +110

I think the line is going to open fairly close to Lesnar Santos. I like Lesnar at + money.

The HOFF · 08-18-11, 07:25 PM

caveira · 08-18-11, 09:18 PM

If this fight happens, I bet on Lesnar. I think Overeem has the first 30 seconds of the round to try something, then he will be taked down and I don't think he can hold until the end of the round. Overeem has always been a fighter without "balls", always give it up under pressure and being under Lesnar's gnp would be a nightmare for a fighter like this...

NunyaBidness · 08-18-11, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by caveira

If this fight happens, I bet on Lesnar. I think Overeem has the first 30 seconds of the round to try something, then he will be taked down and I don't think he can hold until the end of the round. Overeem has always been a fighter without "balls", always give it up under pressure and being under Lesnar's gnp would be a nightmare for a fighter like this...

You must be thinking of Valentin.

Vaughany · 09-06-11, 04:55 PM

Rory Mac vs Ebersole also booked for 140

Vaughany · 09-06-11, 04:56 PM

And Patrick vs Attonito

Vaughany · 09-06-11, 05:01 PM

John Cholish vs Mitch Clarke

Cholish is a good prospect

Vaughany · 09-06-11, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Rory Mac vs Ebersole also booked for 140

Skip to 4:00, Ebersole sayin he only wants to fight veterans like Renzo or Serra, and NOT Rory Mac!....

bjpenn85 · 09-06-11, 05:15 PM

makes sense. Hes not going to beat the best guys, why would he want them? Brian is btw a cool guy that I enjoy.

stefan084 · 09-06-11, 06:03 PM

Originally posted by sirchadwick1

I'd take the Reem at -150 or better and Brock at +150 or better.

Guessing the opening line I'd go with:
Overeem -145
Lesnar +115

So I like the Reem there.

love the avatar

Kaladarus · 09-06-11, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by Kaladarus

Reem -130
Lesnar +110

I think the line is going to open fairly close to Lesnar Santos. I like Lesnar at + money.

Exactly right. Good job you should open a book and make lines.

sirchadwick1 · 09-06-11, 06:14 PM

LOL, did you just quote yourself there?

Vaughany · 09-06-11, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by Kaladarus

Exactly right. Good job you should open a book and make lines.

ha They're arn't the odds tho are they?!

Kaladarus · 09-06-11, 06:38 PM

That's pretty much the line. Only thing is that there's 30 cents juice instead of 20. I'm not really interested in betting this early and having money locked. It looks like a very similar line to the Lesnar/Santos. I thought Lesnar would get hit hard at +110/EV so I had made a play on him at +110 and even +130 at one book for that fight. The line stayed around +105/+110 at most books up until the fight was cancelled. I'm hoping this line movement is similar and I think it will be. If there is a decent jump I'll make a play, but I think it's safe to wait until the event is closer.