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I forgot to add about the Pyle fight with Larson. Not only was he a last minute replacement but that Larson fight was his first fight in the UFC. Top that off with the fact he had to drop 20 lbs the day of the weigh-ins?Been looking at the 133 card and I don't foresee any fights where a submission win is likely outcome. What do think chances are of Rory Mac subbing Pyle? Considering a flier play on MacDonald Sub of the Night. Pyle has been susceptible in the past, like Brock Larson's arm-triangle at 98. Interested to see what MacDonald's strategy will be, on one side I'm thinking he'll be happy to stand and strike with Pyle as Pyle's guard is aggressive and dangerous and one of his biggest threats, but then on the flipside Rory was more than happy to toss Diaz around and go in to his guard, so his confidence in his own ability probably means he will look to take Pyle down at times. Any other fights on the card where you can see a submission occurring? Pace has an aggressive submission game, maybe he can choke out Menjivar.
That's just a recipe for disaster and while it's definitely a fight you should examine it's not one that I would give too much weight in terms of analyzing Pyle's skill level.Last edited by Chairib; 07-21-11, 10:37 PM.Comment -
Thanks for the tips. I went again tonight and it was a lot of fun. Luckily I used to play chess competitively and I remember what it was like when I was first learning and everyone, I mean everyone kicked the shit out of me. But I kept playing and eventually that started to change and I began to understand a little bit. I realize it's not quite the same but kinda. The other thing I realized is that these people could actually kill me if they wanted to, probably relatively easy, and if I knew anything at all about bjj, I'd be teaching the class right? So I guess I'm doing ok keeping my ego out of it. I think ego is what prevented me from trying it for so long, because it's kind of weird not knowing everything. I know that I avoid putting myself in situations where I am the novice.
We are training with gi's and it's not a school. It's a club at the place I work. We do have a brown belt coming to instruct though. I also bought two books, Drill to Win and BJJ University, I guess they are supposed to be good. Anyways thanks again for the advice.Comment -
I think chess is a great background to have. BJJ is all about how you set up your opponent for the submission, rather than just the submission itself. You're expecting counters from the guy, so your current move will be in anticipation of that counter as well as what his 3rd or 4th move will be. Does that make sense? You know Josh Waitzkin is a big BJJ guy now as well.
Books are good but I'd highly suggest you go to the DVD route. There's so much about the details and specifics that you can address on video as opposed to pictures in books.
If you have the funds I would highly suggest the DVD series:
Saulo Ribeiro Jiu-Jitsu Revolution Series 1
Robson Moura - Fusion 1
Mario Sperry's Vale Tudo 1 - this is BJJ for fighting not sportComment -
How do think Woodley/Daley and Saffiedine/Smith goes down?Comment -
I'm leaning towards Saffiendine and Daley right now. But I'm still have to watch a little more film, especially on that Woodley vs Smith fight. I don't have a comfortable read on how that one could go. That's the thing with strikers, it only takes one punch to put someone on queer street.
Scott Smith can be a bit of question mark at times. Not because he's a good fighter by any means, but he can put your lights out even when he's losing. But that weight cut he has to do now? Yikes.Comment -
You think Daley can stop the takedown then? I cant help but recall Masvidal takin him down in the second and third rounds of their fight. I dont think he is working as hard as he could on his wrestling defense, he isnt in USA working on it constantly. He has Kenny Johnson come over for a few weeks before each fight but I cant imagine that is enough to close the gapComment -
Paul Daley vs. Tyron Woodley are fighting right? I meant I'm leaning towards Woodley in his fight against Daley. Daley, I worry about much like Scott, because since he is a striker he has the ability to put someone on queer street.
I hope that makes more sense. I think I'm still recovering from this weekend, that shit was like nerd Mardi Gras or something.Comment -
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Dan Hardy vs Chris Lytle
I see Hardy by decision. But there are a number of things that really kind of make this fight a toss up for me.
I still have a lot of questions about Chris' knee and how it's effected his ability to train. But I have equally as many worries about Dan Hardy right now. Is he technically the better striker? Yes, Dan throws combinations, punches are straighter, and his hand speed is also blistering fast. But there is a large and rather significant hole in his stand up defense that should really be cause for worry.
When you watch Hardy strike, he routinely drops his right hand after throwing any kind of strike. He should be keeping his right hand in the guard position protecting his jaw but it's always lose and open. It's been that way since his first fight in the UFC against Akihiro Gono. A fight that I'm still having a hard time figuring out how exactly Dan won. Regardless, Gono was able to land that left against Hardy all fight long. And as much as Lytle's style can be exploited by a counter puncher. Hardy is in just as much danger for getting dropped by a counter left hook in any of his fights. By the way, can you guess how Condit KO'd Dan?
Chris Lytle is the better wrestler and grappler. If he wanted to play it safe, no doubt that he could just take Dan down and grind out a decision win or even catch him with a sub. Chris is that good on the ground. But Chris hasn't been a "safe" fighter since the judges robbed him of a victory at the TUF finale against Matt Serra. He went through a clear style change after that loss by becoming much more aggressive than he had ever been before. His traditional boxing style went out the window, combinations were soon replaced with a mean overhand right. He would put everything into his punches and it was clear he was trying knock the other guy's head clean off. This type of super aggressive brawling style resembled something you would see from Chuck Liddell or Wanderlei Silva.
Like I said his style is open and aggressive, so there's not a whole lot of defense. He's almost going into these exchanges looking to get hit, just as long as he can land shots of is own. He was beating Thiago when the doctors called the fight due a cut. Chris sustained a cut right over his eye early and first round and the doctors subsequently called the fight in between rounds 2 and 3. That fight with Paul Taylor? It was close with Paul Taylor probably landing more strikes but Chris' shots were far more effective. That's the difference between striking in boxing and striking in MMA.
While this style may be exciting it is kind of easy to gameplan for. All Davis did was counter Lytle's overhand right. It's probably the closest thing standing up striking has to the wrestlers lay and pray. Smart strategy and I can't blame the guy for taking what Chris is giving him but he didn't do anything but play keep away. Does Dan Hardy have the same kind of luxury? Dan's got to win and win decisively here if he wants to stay in the UFC.Last edited by Chairib; 08-12-11, 08:34 PM.Comment -
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I had no problem with the 10-8 round. I was expecting there may be one judge that scored the 3rd that way as it was a total beat down.
I actually though maybe it was the 2nd round one judge may have given Miller, and based on his sub attempts. But I never for once thought he stole it based on that.
I was also a little surprised that all 3 judges gave rounds 1 and 2 to Lytle. I thought the 2nd was close, but Lytle was going to take that decision regardless.Comment -
Round 1 had Miller going for a standing head and arm choke, a kimura, and finally a guillotine. Henderson threw some shots but they weren't necessairly connecting. Round 2 is when you really start to see Ben connect with his shots, I really can't see anyone awarding that round to Jim. That's the round when he opened up a cut on Jim's head. Jim went for lower leg subs but he never really had any of them caught. Ben got out of those subs quick and it left Miller open to a couple of big shots to his head. I mean that's the big thing about leg subs, they really leave you wide open for punches.
Ben clearly won round 3, as well as the fight as a whole, but it wasn't a 10-8. To me an example of a 10-8 would be the first round from Maynard/Edgar 2. Honestly, if you're completely manhandling your opponent that bad in the last round you should just finish the guy.
But it is pretty subjective so I don't know if there's actually are right answer here.
That Lytle/Hardy fight was a slug fest, had a lot of fun watching that one. Sort of gave me flashbacks to Chuck Liddell's first fight in the UFC against Noe Hernandez. I thought Chris won both rounds but round 2 was a really really close. That round could have gone either way, I do think it helped Chris that he was able to land those last two shots right at the end of the round.
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I'm pretty sure I saw Ed Herman in there.Comment -
Yo Vaughany, where about in round two did Miller knock him down? Trying to find it.Comment -
I think Bendos hair makes it look like he falls harder than he does. He looked the same way when Pettis landed the head kick off the cage. I expected him to be dead, but he bounced right back up Michael Myers style. Helluva chin.Comment -
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You been to Thailand before?Comment -
Yeah Saturdays at lumpini are a must. Chiang Mai is where the major muy Thai gyms are at. Only been to Phuket once, not a big fan of that area.
Someone needs to start a bjj school in Ibiza.
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Hollywood Enters the Cage
Warrior is the most punishingly realistic movie about mixed martial arts ever made. And the actors have the scars to prove it.
by Matt Berical
Here’s a bit of wisdom from the mixed martial arts film Warrior, a gritty tale of estranged brothers — one an ex-Marine, the other a public-school teacher — eking out lives in Pittsburgh: The best therapy sometimes means beating the crap out of somebody. Separately, the brothers sign up for an MMA tournament, and, as they head toward a showdown in the final, they punch, kick, and wrestle their issues into submission. Thanks to J.J. Perry, the film’s fight choreographer and a tae kwon do black belt, the fighting scenes are rendered with arresting authenticity. “The director wanted the film to be organic, free of any of that Hollywood flash,” Perry says. “Our mantra was, ‘If it doesn’t work in real life, don’t do it.’”
Over two months, Perry and a group of coaches and athletes from the Ultimate Fighting Championship, the most prominent professional MMA league in the U.S., transformed the British-born Tom Hardy (of Inception) and the Australian-born and relatively unknown Joel Edgerton into near-legitimate fighters. Each actor gained some 20 pounds and endured crippling workouts with a cadre of MMA contenders that included Anthony “Rumble” Johnson and Erik “Bad” Apple. They also trained with Kurt Angle, who won a gold medal in freestyle wrestling at the 1996 Olympic Games.
“Arms were getting hurt, legs were getting hurt, feelings were getting hurt,” Perry says. “We had them getting fed every three hours — a ton of protein — and we had weights on set to get them pumped.” In the movie, every punch and kick that lands below the neck is real, absorbed by the actors. And, while filming a pivotal fight scene, Edgerton even tore a ligament in his knee.
This verisimilitude lends Warrior, which also stars Nick Nolte as the brothers’ alcoholic father, a certain credibility and power. Other recent treatments of mixed martial arts, such as Fighting and Never Back Down, were largely ignored by fans because they exaggerated the sport’s maneuvers, delivering hyper-stylized, woefully unrealistic bouts.
Perry contends that the allure of mixed martial arts — and, in turn, Warrior — can be found in its complexity. “In boxing, you only have to worry about the right and the left,” he says. “But in MMA, you better be thinking about the right, the left, the right elbow, the left elbow, the right leg, the left leg, and the knees. There’s nowhere to hide.” With a smirk, he adds, “That’s taking a thespian out of his element, bro.”
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Yo Chairib, u watch Parks and Recreation??Comment
