Brian Stann +138, good value against Chris Leben?

[spargament]

Like as a fan I'm insulted that Stann v Leben is the co-headliner of an event that already lacks a PPV main event draw. Maynard Edgar really REALLY doesn't make me excited...but then again, the cards lacking the names and fights on paper are the ones I often remember being the greatest actual fights...look for that trend to continue, but I ain't dropping the 50 bucks to watch it from home, that's for sure.

When this card lost Aldo, it lost me with him.

[Vaughany]

Wow I'm honestly shocked once again that nobody has yet to make the connection with Stann's WEC success and title reign, the merger, and Leben's recent push.

Why is this important to betting?

[zeroprogress2]

i think because of leben perhaps has lack of motivation there may be value on stan, but i'm still going with leben since i think he wins this fight most the time

[Poppa Catfish]

Wow I'm honestly shocked once again that nobody has yet to make the connection with Stann's WEC success and title reign, the merger, and Leben's recent push.

Illuminati?

[Vaughany]

Illuminati?

Should we let Alex Jones know about this!

[Chairib]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT0WEFs2S90

[Poppa Catfish]

Best. Episode. Ever

[Poppa Catfish]

Should we let Alex Jones know about this!

I was thinking Tom Hanks, but your idea will work. Side note: what the hell was he talking about? Are we getting trolled in a clever way now, as opposed to the blunt way we were before. He does like to to talk down about this forum an awful lot.

[macoeric]

Can anyone tell me of all sites that bet mma? I only know of betfair and pinnacle so far.

[Eccocide]

bestfightodds.com

[brooks85]

alright im definitely not betting against leben now

Rumor: Dog the Bounty Hunter To Appear In Chris Leben's Corner At UFC 125

http://www.watchkalibrun.com/2010/12/30/1904490/rumor-dog-the-bounty-hunter-to-appear-in-chris-lebens-corner-at-ufc

[Eccocide]

alright im definitely not betting against leben now

Rumor: Dog the Bounty Hunter To Appear In Chris Leben's Corner At UFC 125



http://www.watchkalibrun.com/2010/12...-corner-at-ufc

[robotralph]

Leben will gas as usual. As long as Stann has conditioning he can just FITCH a victory.

[The Bet Master]

I can't bet against Leben. It's either him, or no play.

[spargament]

I was thinking Tom Hanks, but your idea will work. Side note: what the hell was he talking about? Are we getting trolled in a clever way now, as opposed to the blunt way we were before. He does like to to talk down about this forum an awful lot.

And I'm the troll. Jesus christ.

Can anybody see the fact that WEC is merging with the UFC being the only reason Leben didn't get his opponent of choice? ESPECIALLY AFTER DANA WAS SO IMPRESSED BY WHAT HE DID THE LAST TWO/THREE TIMES IN THE CAGE?! Dana's all about guys stepping up to the plate in the fashion leben did. See Josh Koscheck; step up once when a card is in danger of sucking, help save it, put a couple W's under your belt and you get a shot a title holder. If you don't think Leben wants Anderson Silva at some point you are a complete simpleton. I guarantee you it eats at him day and night that Anderson essentially walked into the UFC, beat Leben, and was immediately given a shot against Ace. Just because I don't spell everything out in the simplest form of english doesn't mean I'm some whacko that has no idea what he's talking about. But shit, you guys keep trashing me while I try to help Super constructive.

This is a case of the UFC trying to create an angle that focuses on illumination (and as for the illuminati comment..try a bit harder, the days of calling people conspiracy theorists because they make basic connections have long since expired.) of an organization in the WEC that really hasn't been advertised to nearly the level the UFC was. Zuffa needs people to care that all of these fighters (Torres especially, having had the struggles he's had after the complete dominance for so long that DID attract attention for a while) are being absorbed into their organization. Otherwise the 95% of MMA fan demographic that doesn't follow the sport closely will see any non Aldo/Faber WEC guy on a main card, not recognize the name, and say F it.
Honestly I'm surpised by how naive some of you really are.

Maybe since you guys are so DAMN smart you don't realize that the in the MMA fan demographic, people like us (and believe me it pains me more than it hurts you to group the two of us together) are in the smallest minority. See: Couture(until he keels over or his HGH prescription stops getting filled), Lesnar (from day one, now he proved to be worth his weight to a degree, but he was a HUGE draw even against Mir the first time and Herring, let alone once UFC100 came around), Liddell (even after clearly being a shell of himself), Ortiz (the last time he posed a legitimate threat in his weight class was before Jose Aldo could legally drink) consistently being HUGE DRAWS, often much larger than guys twice as primed for success.

If you spent half the time continuing to educate yourself about this sport as you do trash talking ish out of the side of your face, you'd probably be a ridiculously good capper.

[spargament]

Like go ask ten of your friends (randomly), see how many people know who Cruz is. Do the same thing about GSP.

[spargament]

I don't even know why I try to be constructive with you people, I really don't, but part of the reason Leben has even been taken seriously recently is because he got his life together.

It wasn't so long that he missed a UFC fight because he was in jail.

The Chris Leben that is capable of only wildly brawling followed by gassing some time in the second round has seemingly disappeared in his recent fights.

Note, I'm not saying he's a play, or even that Stann is; but I AM saying there is a reason this matchup was created other than the fact that it looks to be competitive.

[spargament]

Why is this important to betting?

Because being more educated about a sport you cap regardless of if you plan to make a specific play is ALWAYS a good idea?

Because it might provide some insight to the people wondering why Leben didn't get the fight he wanted?

Because it might give people some insight as to why Stann and Leben are supposed to be involved in the biggest non-title bout on the card, and frankly neither of them belong there. Look at this card, and the one thats coming up. If you don't think Bader/Jon Jones belongs on this card to even the two out instead of the Leben/Stann fight, my opinions and frustrations are correctly placed and focused.

I'm honestly curious in addition to capping MMA, if anyone that's been kind enough to lob comments in my general direction actually has any MMA experience. Or BJJ? Or MT? Being the backup wrestler on your middleschool team doesn't count.

I can't help but be frustrated.

I'll continue to ' talk down' about this subforum as long as the ignorance fueling it continues to exist.

[Vaughany]

Because being more educated about a sport you cap regardless of if you plan to make a specific play is ALWAYS a good idea?

Because it might provide some insight to the people wondering why Leben didn't get the fight he wanted?

Because it might give people some insight as to why Stann and Leben are supposed to be involved in the biggest non-title bout on the card, and frankly neither of them belong there. Look at this card, and the one thats coming up. If you don't think Bader/Jon Jones belongs on this card to even the two out instead of the Leben/Stann fight, my opinions and frustrations are correctly placed and focused.

I'm honestly curious in addition to capping MMA, if anyone that's been kind enough to lob comments in my general direction actually has any MMA experience. Or BJJ? Or MT? Being the backup wrestler on your middleschool team doesn't count.

I can't help but be frustrated.

I'll continue to ' talk down' about this subforum as long as the ignorance fueling it continues to exist.

ha My point was that it's pretty obvious what the connection is, no one brought it up because it goes without saying, u dont have some inside knowledge bro! U say "Insight as to why Stann and Leben are supposed to be involved in the biggest non-title bout on the card and frankly neither of them belong there"...this makes no difference on betting...unless you are sayin that one shouldnt bet on Leben or Stann because they dont deserve to be co-main event?!

[Vaughany]

And I'm the troll. Jesus christ.

Can anybody see the fact that WEC is merging with the UFC being the only reason Leben didn't get his opponent of choice? ESPECIALLY AFTER DANA WAS SO IMPRESSED BY WHAT HE DID THE LAST TWO/THREE TIMES IN THE CAGE?! Dana's all about guys stepping up to the plate in the fashion leben did. See Josh Koscheck; step up once when a card is in danger of sucking, help save it, put a couple W's under your belt and you get a shot a title holder. If you don't think Leben wants Anderson Silva at some point you are a complete simpleton. I guarantee you it eats at him day and night that Anderson essentially walked into the UFC, beat Leben, and was immediately given a shot against Ace. Just because I don't spell everything out in the simplest form of english doesn't mean I'm some whacko that has no idea what he's talking about. But shit, you guys keep trashing me while I try to help Super constructive.

This is a case of the UFC trying to create an angle that focuses on illumination (and as for the illuminati comment..try a bit harder, the days of calling people conspiracy theorists because they make basic connections have long since expired.) of an organization in the WEC that really hasn't been advertised to nearly the level the UFC was. Zuffa needs people to care that all of these fighters (Torres especially, having had the struggles he's had after the complete dominance for so long that DID attract attention for a while) are being absorbed into their organization. Otherwise the 95% of MMA fan demographic that doesn't follow the sport closely will see any non Aldo/Faber WEC guy on a main card, not recognize the name, and say F it.
Honestly I'm surpised by how naive some of you really are.

Maybe since you guys are so DAMN smart you don't realize that the in the MMA fan demographic, people like us (and believe me it pains me more than it hurts you to group the two of us together) are in the smallest minority. See: Couture(until he keels over or his HGH prescription stops getting filled), Lesnar (from day one, now he proved to be worth his weight to a degree, but he was a HUGE draw even against Mir the first time and Herring, let alone once UFC100 came around), Liddell (even after clearly being a shell of himself), Ortiz (the last time he posed a legitimate threat in his weight class was before Jose Aldo could legally drink) consistently being HUGE DRAWS, often much larger than guys twice as primed for success.

If you spent half the time continuing to educate yourself about this sport as you do trash talking ish out of the side of your face, you'd probably be a ridiculously good capper.

SO what's your point?! U dont like the card? Yes there are connections, well done for noticing and maybe everything you say is correct, but once again this makes no difference to betting on MMA!