I own all of the Prides. I've watched them all a multitude of times. Most of my favourite fighters are 'Pride' fighters if you will. Believe me, you don't have to tell me how great the pride events were. Pride 33, Bushido 9, FC 2004, FC 2005, TE 2003 and Pride 25 are prolly all in my top 10 events ever. It was still a crappy business model and was destined to fail.
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Once they lost their tv contract it was over for Pride.Originally posted by EccocideComment -
Yup, and Dream will be going the same route pretty soon which is sad in its own right.Comment -
Ok. I respect your opinion. At least you seen them. My fav is bushido 7. Baroni vs Minowa. All time fav.Originally posted by EccocideComment -
I miss the tournaments too. Having to fight 2 beasts in 1 night is brutal. Plus 10 minute 1st round. He-man shit. Also, remember they start taking away your earnings with the yellow card if the ref feels you are not busy enough. Another reason their weren't as many boring fights. 10% of your purse for each yellow card.Comment -
Yes, the yellow card rule is good in theory. But would never be implemented in the UFC because of the subjectiveness of it. People would be calling for guys like Fitch to get yellow carded all the time just because he is pressuring an opponent with composure and not being erratic...yes to some that may be boring and "not busy enough" but another perspective is that maybe Fitch is pacing himself and looking for the right opportunity? Your saying that Dana White pays fighter's like Leben peanuts and then you want them to lose 10% of their purse for not being 'busy enough'? Obviously, if the guy is like Starnes vs Quarry and not interested then that is obvious and deserves somethign like a yellow card, but then how often does that type of fight happen?Originally posted by ttrace35Comment -
It happens often enough. Those fighters in pride got paid even less peanuts and had their money taken away because of stalling. I could think of hundreds of ufc fights that could have used yellow cards. They were given out for obvious bs.Comment -
What is Pride? Oh you must mean that organization that existed before 2007 where people actually fought...now they just get in a cage and wrestle, all while refusing to finish their opponents while eeking out boring decisions (thanks Dana and Greg Jackson)
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Who asked what Pride is? And let me get this right, you just named Dana White and Greg Jackson as the reason there are boring wrestlers who refuse to finish their opponents?! Dana White has called the Jackson camp out numerous times because he doesn't like their style of fighting!Originally posted by Pride>UFCWhat is Pride? Oh you must mean that organization that existed before 2007 where people actually fought...now they just get in a cage and wrestle, all while refusing to finish their opponents while eeking out boring decisions (thanks Dana and Greg Jackson)
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I already knew that...but Dana promotes this boring style of fighting with no stand-ups for stalling, no pressure on fighters to keep action going, and a heavy emphasis on "octagon control" or lay n pray as most of us call it...this promotes boring styles...Dana should adopt pride rules with yellow cards, and allow knees to a grounded opponentOriginally posted by VaughanyWho asked what Pride is? And let me get this right, you just named Dana White and Greg Jackson as the reason there are boring wrestlers who refuse to finish their opponents?! Dana White has called the Jackson camp out numerous times because he doesn't like their style of fighting! No doubt you'll conveniently skip this as well and not respond!Comment -
I only partly agree with you pride. Dana is pissed as hell that these fights are boring wrestling matches. But he keeps signing wreslers. Also the "no knees or kicks to the head of a grounded opponent" are rules of the united states.Originally posted by Pride>UFCComment -
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Sux Nuts?Originally posted by ttrace35Comment -
Your a clown vaughny. And no amount of infractions will change that.Comment -
Im guessing you and Mr Pride thought UFC 125 sucked then?!Comment -
Ok lets be realistic...seriously. I don't wanna sound like a downer, but the quality of the fights in the UFC are awful. Each fight card is watered down. Winning decisions is far too common, with fighters who are "winning" playing it safe to eek out a decision. It's because of trainers like Greg Jackson and fighters like Rashad where we see a fighter win a round or two, and then run away and not look to finish. In Pride, in Strikeforce, in Japan, anywhere but in the UFC, the fighters are more aggressive. Action and aggression needs to be encouraged because if not, fighters will just "take the lead" and then "run out the clock" like a football or basketball game. Dana got on Greg Jackson about it, but it won't change. That's why I NEVER pay one penny for a UFC card, but I find other...ways to watch it and screw Dana White out of his cheap production.Originally posted by Vaughany
For God's sake with the exception of the Super Bowl fight card, every UFC event is damn near unwatchable. I just try to win money on the fights.Comment -
This all goes down to personal taste. Some like squash matches between stars and journeymen and others like competitive fights.
If you have competitive fights between fighters with close to equal skill levels its more likely going to decision, if you have an unbalanced grouping it is much more likely going to be a finish.Comment -
haha... sound like a downer or a downy?! My bad, couldnt resist!Originally posted by Pride>UFC
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Originally posted by Pride>UFC
My whole point exactly. Although I did order this last pay per view. Damn near unwatchable is pretty accurate. Thank god for dvrs and the ff button. Now their gonna feed us Randy again. I bet money they have a chuck vs randy part 10. Also, please no more Chris Leben co-main events. Guy is a "can".Comment -
Was ok. Enjoyed seeing leben get beat up. I hate that guy and all the early tuf alumns. I think tiago is a beast. Ufc has very good fighters. Just has gotten really boring. I used to be so geeked up for a ufc event. Now just booooooring.Originally posted by VaughanyComment -
Strikeforce is also better than the UFC because they're having an 8 man tourney...the UFC would rather make us watch Struve vs some no name can.
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Their big name heavyweight quit. Like a little girl.Originally posted by Pride>UFCStrikeforce is also better than the UFC because they're having an 8 man tourney...the UFC would rather make us watch Struve vs some no name can.Comment -
Oh really? because if I'm not mistaken, the two best pound for pound fighters in the world also quit (Canderson and GSP)...and they quit vs cans.Originally posted by ttrace35Comment -
Brock quit fighting period. I could grab his wifes ass in a bar and he wouldnt do sh-t.Originally posted by Pride>UFCComment -
this new heavyweight tournament that SF is putting together is FKN AWESOME.
strikeforce CAN overtake the UFC if it keeps this up. I used to be against SF because I thought it took away talent from the ufc and having the talent in different promotions really prevents good matchups from happening. but now i see the benefits of competition.... I hope SF succeeds and the UFC is forced to follow have tournaments of their own.Comment -
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Does Scott Coker get down like this though?!....
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Great card last night. Dana got little sleep last night.Comment -
yes, I'm sure Dana's quaking in his boots.Originally posted by ttrace35Comment -
ha yeah I doubt tht Dana and the Fertitta's were even aware an event was taking place last night!Comment -
You don't even believe that vaughany. C'mon. Even you can't be that stupid.Originally posted by VaughanyComment -
LOL, yea Dana was terrified with a StrikeForce main event which featured a guy who lost 3 in a row in UFC (Diaz) vs a guy who isn't even ranked in the top 30 welterweights (Santos)
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C'mon locksmith. Why can't you guys admit last night was a good night of action. And it was free. I don't understand why you guys are all up dana's ass so much. The diaz comment makes you look really stupid bro. Dana is trying really hard to get Diaz back. Really dumb comment broOriginally posted by THE_LOCKSMITHLOL, yea Dana was terrified with a StrikeForce main event which featured a guy who lost 3 in a row in UFC (Diaz) vs a guy who isn't even ranked in the top 30 welterweights (Santos)
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i loved last nights card, but i watch almost all MMA. The fact is this show probably did worse than the lowest rated TUF show on Spike. don't make it look like Dana is worried over these cardsComment
