Originally posted by rocky mattioli
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Hey no worries bud! I'm just trying to provide ppl with some more info on the fight, from a BJ backer's perspective.
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This Condor will not fail you!Originally posted by rocky mattiolithat`s why i love this place...we can have some diversity of opinion without getting our knickers in a twist...
still considering penn in a par...
if davis (and to a lesser extent machida) wet the bed,i may be out on the turnpike monday morning with a squeegee and a dirty bucket of water...
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Penn looked to be in great shape at the weigh insComment -
Hmm, nothing too telling at the weigh-ins, at least not enough for me to lay more bets anyways.
But man Phil Davis has such a crazy figure for bodybuilding, that triangle of a back.Comment -
Better Condor pic - Looks shopped lol.
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That is very freaky shit!Originally posted by EccocideBetter Condor pic - Looks shopped lol.
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He wasn't using the Octopus Guard, that was BJ going to the Sit-Up guard and coming out back-side to take Hughes' back. He's been using the Sit-Up Guard for ages, since he was studying at Ralph Gracie's school, and have a lot of reservations that is what caused his rib injury.Originally posted by EccocideNice Article on their second fight at Bloody Elbow:
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As with all of their bouts, Matt Hughes vs B.J. Penn was a surprise to everyone involved. B.J. Penn wasn't supposed to get a title shot at UFC 63. He'd lost to Georges St. Pierre via split decision at UFC 58 and the title shot was GSP's. But then St. Pierre turned up injured and the opportunity to reclaim the belt he'd never lost came B.J. Penn's way.
But with only a month's notice of the fight, Penn came in in less than ideal condition. As he wrote in his autobiography Why I Fight:...I probably trained seriously for about 12 days. Knowing the UFC could call at any minute, I'd been working out, just not as hard as I would have had Hughes been scheduled months in advance. There were still those nights when the bar was going to be open, and there was a chance I'd be in there.For his part Hughes was less than thrilled with the match up. In his book Made in America he describes his reaction to coach Pat Miletich upon hearing the bout was booked:
I've got to tell you, Grandpa, I'm a little scared to fight BJ again. You saw how flexible he is. Royce has nothing on him.But when fight night came, Hughes was astonished to see how pudgy Penn looked:
He looks out of shape. That silver spoon's been putting a lot of food in his mouth. He looks plain fat.Hughes also claims that his training had prepared him to avoid Penn's trademark counter left hook. Unfortunately for Hughes, a right hand from Penn managed to tag him in the first round. From there he ran headlong into Penn's vaunted flexibility as he worked for a single leg while Penn hopped on one foot and pasted him with punches.
In the second Hughes did manage to get Penn on the ground, but that almost cost him the fight. Penn used the Octopus Guard to take Matt's back, as I detailed in this Judo Chop. Fatefully, the torso stretching necessary to take Hughes' back caused Penn's ribs to separate.
No one could tell watching Penn threaten a series of submissions on the ground, working for a triangle choke arm bar that seemed on the verge of finishing Hughes for the duration of the second round. But then time expired and Penn realized just how hurt he was when he stood up.
It was a completely different fight in the third round as Penn moved in slow motion and Hughes was suddenly able to pepper him with punches standing. Then he took B.J. down and moved to "the Salaverry" where he punished a helpless Penn with hard shots to the face while pinning both his arms.
This fight helped cement Hughes' reputation as the greatest welterweight in MMA history. It also went a long way towards damning B.J. Penn as a great fighter who didn't do the work necessary to live up to his potential. "
Also, If you want to see what BJ can do off of his back, here's an article on his groundwork at UFC 63...Gifs included
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Is Joe Lauzon more likely to win than Matt Hughes as the underdog?
I really thought Hughes has this fight even though Penn seem to be the better fighter in their previous fight more than 4 years ago.Comment -
Carefull Gun, George S. has been looking like a freak of nature at 155 lately.
Also I find it weird that the Hughes line is different at almost every book I have. As low as +115 and as high as +148. Just crazy... Getting pumped!!!
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Anyone taking Hughes by Decision, Matt himself agrees with you. Says he doesn't think he will finish BJ.
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That's a big reason why I took him by decision
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ha couldnt of said it better myself! Im not a big fan of him either, but ur right he is a clever dude and only way he can win this is by decision (unless Penn gets injured again)!Originally posted by laskerThat's a big reason why I took him by decision. I don't like Matt, I basically think as much of him as Serra does (although I think he's less of an egomaniac now than he used to be), but he's a lot smarter than many give him credit for.Comment -
BJ Penn can only not beat Frankie, he will win this fight, Hughes is over the hill, it will show tonightShut your mouth when you talk to Me!Comment -
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He is a freak with that weirdo ribcage of his.Originally posted by BIGDAYCarefull Gun, George S. has been looking like a freak of nature at 155 lately.
Also I find it weird that the Hughes line is different at almost every book I have. As low as +115 and as high as +148. Just crazy... Getting pumped!!!
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Guys! I just got Hughes at +178 woot woot!!!Comment -
Hughes is up to +197 on Pinny.Comment -
a country boy can`t survive.....Comment -
matt hughes got humiliatedComment -
Looks like Pinny knew something you boys didn't. Worst ass whoopin of Huges life!Comment -
i think this is even worse than hughes first loss to bjComment -
Just patheticComment -
i think bj just retired hughesComment -
Originally posted by sportsfanatic
most definately. the prodigy B... J..... PENNNNNNNComment -
No way, Hughes needs revenge against Hallman, then he can retireComment -
Penn won, thanks to his boxing skills.Comment -
Originally posted by Cap dat 4ss
penn line opened @ +110 at pinnyComment -
woot woot!!Originally posted by BIGDAYComment -
Yep I see this happening for sureOriginally posted by Poppa Catfish
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Good. I hope Matt can go out with a win, he deserves it. If not Hallman, then get Trigg's dumb ass into the cage to offer up his neck in sacrificial rear naked goodnessComment -
haha yeah Trigg is always a good bit of cannon fodder! U KNOWWWWWW!Originally posted by Poppa CatfishComment -
I was way off... Haha. Congrats to BJ and yes I even got suckered into another bet at +202 on Hughes. I am always honest. Congrats to the BJ backers!Comment -
i've been following BJ since forever and am one of his biggest fans so if you're going to bet on him heres a trick. Wait to see how he walks in and paces in the corner, if he starts with his facial ticks(getting twitchy and touching around his eyes etc) its like 90% he's gonna win that fight. Cussing at himself during the walk-in like last night is another sign. If not bet against.
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