Dana white, "We're going to make an example of James Toney"

JuicedUp · 07-04-10, 12:47 AM

It's true but can't believe he actually said it!

Shane · 07-04-10, 12:50 AM

Haha. Chuckled when he said that.

Kav · 07-04-10, 01:28 AM

lol i caught that also.

as a boxing fan and james toney being one of my all time favourite boxers i really hope he knocks out randy couture!

stacks on deck · 07-04-10, 01:42 AM

toney should of fought this years ago dude is getting over the hill now

Ian · 07-04-10, 06:16 AM

What example can they make out of James Toney? That a MMA HOFer can defeat a severely brain-damaged man with no MMA experience whatsoever? I'm looking forward to more people calling out Dana White for bullshit like this fight.

thespeculator · 07-04-10, 08:26 AM

Originally posted by Ian

What example can they make out of James Toney? That a MMA HOFer can defeat a severely brain-damaged man with no MMA experience whatsoever? I'm looking forward to more people calling out Dana White for bullshit like this fight.

exactly , how does that prove anything, just because they are combat sports doesn't make them the same, why don't quarterbacks pitch in the off season, it's just throwing a ball , isn' t it

Dirty Sanchez · 07-04-10, 08:34 AM

Dana talks all the time about not being like the WWE, yet he shoots is mouth off just like the WWE. Lesnar is a bad ass, and after Carwin barely lasted 1 round I'm not sure who's got the strength and stamina to stay with him. You could tell the minute Lesnar got up and pressed him against the cage Carwin was finished.

jin2daj · 07-04-10, 09:18 AM

damn! lost some betpoints on carwin, but BROCK!!!!! glad he won

and i cant believe dana said that. lol

Ella600 · 07-04-10, 09:19 AM

Originally posted by Ian

What example can they make out of James Toney? That a MMA HOFer can defeat a severely brain-damaged man with no MMA experience whatsoever? I'm looking forward to more people calling out Dana White for bullshit like this fight.

36mafia · 07-04-10, 12:37 PM

lmfao

dana white the puppet master

Eccocide · 07-04-10, 01:03 PM

Well at least he has admitted that this is a freakshow fight. He's said in a couple interviews in the past couple weeks that he's always said he wouldnt do a freakshow but he knows this is one. Randy better do what he needs to do and get this one over quickly.

Tree Rollins · 07-05-10, 11:30 AM

I see Toney getting rear-naked choked about 52 seconds into the 1st round.

Varker · 07-05-10, 01:07 PM

I really want Couture to lose.

marcoloco · 07-05-10, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by Ian

What example can they make out of James Toney? That a MMA HOFer can defeat a severely brain-damaged man with no MMA experience whatsoever? I'm looking forward to more people calling out Dana White for bullshit like this fight.

couldnt agree more

marcoloco · 07-05-10, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by Tree Rollins

I see Toney getting rear-naked chocked about 52 seconds into the 1st round.

lol that is a very realistic prediction

Cappy · 07-05-10, 11:29 PM

Couture isn't just going to choke him out, if Toney is anywhere near as old and useless as everyone seems to think couture is going to work him against the cage and eventually bring him down and either submit or ground and pound.

phillybadboy · 07-06-10, 01:54 AM

i still wana see this one,i hope toney do4es good

THE_LOCKSMITH · 07-06-10, 06:31 AM

Toney is one and done. Dana is brilliant, Toney has been calling eveyone out so Dana gives him a fight. Boxing guys can't even make the argument that they are using an old boxer (41) to make boxers look bad because couture is 47!!!!

sundin4prez · 07-06-10, 08:18 AM

what do you think dana would say about this fight if lets say strikeforce was promoting it.... "bush league", "old ass boxer thats why there strikefarce" " toney was a good boxer at 160 not fukin 230".... etc..

will2survive · 07-06-10, 09:31 AM

Toney is old and out of shape.A fighter like Couture will crush Toney---mark my words on it

Ryangene · 07-06-10, 10:05 AM

Waiting to see what odds are for this crazy stuff.... Randy wins in one of his quickest fights in his career.

Ian · 07-06-10, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by THE_LOCKSMITH

Toney is one and done. Dana is brilliant, Toney has been calling eveyone out so Dana gives him a fight. Boxing guys can't even make the argument that they are using an old boxer (41) to make boxers look bad because couture is 47!!!!

Toney's age is the least of his problems. He has dementia pugilistica, a form of brain damage caused by repeated head trauma. His slurred speech is a symptom of this. Other symptoms include memory loss, tremors, and a loss of coordination. It's the last of these symptoms, combined with no MMA experience, that make him cannon fodder for Couture.

jin2daj · 07-06-10, 02:26 PM

does anyone know what toney is getting paid for this fight? and is he on a multi-fight contract?

Grits n' Gravy · 07-06-10, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by jin2daj

does anyone know what toney is getting paid for this fight? and is he on a multi-fight contract?

Quite a bit from what I understand. He's involved with former SF 49er OL John Harrington who helped put the deal together. John said it was significant money from sponsors and so-so money from Dana. Saw James training a few weeks ago and he has man

. Unless he catches Randy with a clean shot, he has no chance.

Kaladarus · 07-06-10, 05:37 PM

Good job Dana. If he were to do this with a current top boxer it would be a different story, but come on. I really hope Toney lands a good punch on Couture right in the start and knocks him out, but it really unlikely this will happen.

THE_LOCKSMITH · 07-06-10, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by Ian

Toney's age is the least of his problems. He has dementia pugilistica, a form of brain damage caused by repeated head trauma. His slurred speech is a symptom of this. Other symptoms include memory loss, tremors, and a loss of coordination. It's the last of these symptoms, combined with no MMA experience, that make him cannon fodder for Couture.

well if the brain damage is true then he won't pass the medical test. As for no mma experience, he is a legit former boxing champion. No one seems to care when a jiu jitsu fighter who can't put a combination together fights in MMA. Almost all fighters come from one background, wrestling, jiu jitsu, Judo etc. Its up to the fighter to find a way to use his martial art in a given fight.

THE_LOCKSMITH · 07-06-10, 11:09 PM

......

Ian · 07-06-10, 11:44 PM

Originally posted by THE_LOCKSMITH

well if the brain damage is true then he won't pass the medical test.

That's not necessarily true. Brain scans don't always pick up on dementia pugilistica. In many cases the actual brain damage can't be seen until an autopsy is performed. Even if a fighter fails his brain scan, plenty of fighters have gotten around that in the past (as was the case when an obviously punch drunk Muhammed Ali was cleared to fight Larry Holmes in 1980). The best evidence of a fighter being punch drunk is slurred speech, which the video you posted of Toney makes abundantly clear.

Whether or not a person cares if a fighter is punch drunk is one thing, but to deny that Toney suffers from a severe medical condition is without question a false belief.

Chairib · 07-06-10, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by Ian

Toney's age is the least of his problems. He has dementia pugilistica, a form of brain damage caused by repeated head trauma. His slurred speech is a symptom of this. Other symptoms include memory loss, tremors, and a loss of coordination. It's the last of these symptoms, combined with no MMA experience, that make him cannon fodder for Couture.

He's always talked like that, it's why one of his nicknames is Mushmouth.

Chairib · 07-06-10, 11:57 PM

Originally posted by THE_LOCKSMITH

well if the brain damage is true then he won't pass the medical test. As for no mma experience, he is a legit former boxing champion. No one seems to care when a jiu jitsu fighter who can't put a combination together fights in MMA. Almost all fighters come from one background, wrestling, jiu jitsu, Judo etc. Its up to the fighter to find a way to use his martial art in a given fight.

That's because a wrestler/grappler can take the fight to the mat and dictate fight from there. And a good submission artist doesn't need to throw a punch because he can use his grappling to control his opponent. Furthermore, a good wrestler knows how to chain together a series of moves during a scramble and a good grappler can go through his shoot-lock flows like good boxer can put a combination together.

A boxer has to learn how to sprawl and grasp the clinch game before he can even begin to use his specialty in a MMA fight.

GoldRush7 · 07-07-10, 12:12 AM

This is the kind of circus fight dana hates one... hypocrite

HauntingTheHoly · 07-07-10, 01:35 AM

Originally posted by THE_LOCKSMITH

Toney is one and done. Dana is brilliant, Toney has been calling eveyone out so Dana gives him a fight. Boxing guys can't even make the argument that they are using an old boxer (41) to make boxers look bad because couture is 47!!!!

What planet are you living on? Somebody thinks boxers are gonna look bad? Who? Idiots, maybe. *shrug*

Many have forgotten that this "brilliant" asshole wouldn't let his best fighter anywhere near a boxing ring with an old, old, OLD Roy Jones. And his fighter really wanted that fight.

THE_LOCKSMITH · 07-07-10, 02:33 AM

Originally posted by HauntingTheHoly

Many have forgotten that this "brilliant" asshole wouldn't let his best fighter anywhere near a boxing ring with an old, old, OLD Roy Jones. And his fighter really wanted that fight.

probably the same reason he wouldn't let Silva fight Fedor in a Sambo match, Mo Lawal in a wrestling match, Parisyan in a Judo match etc... People say this is Boxing Vs MMA, I don't rally look at it this way. when Lesnar fights its not Westling vs MMA, or Michida is Karate Vs MMA. Boxing is one of the may Martial Arts, but if that all you have your at a big disadvantage, but thats on Toney who wants in MMA

terpkeg · 07-07-10, 08:33 AM

Originally posted by Ryangene

Waiting to see what odds are for this crazy stuff.... Randy wins in one of his quickest fights in his career.

James Toney +475 +485 +350
Randy Couture -650 -685 -575