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**Rubber Guard** · 02-07-12, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by Giblets

There were dozens of fighters who thought Condit won too. But ya agreeing with Cecil Peoples is never a good argument haha. The only thing it proved is that the fight was very close and anyone who says Diaz was "robbed" probably had a lot of money on him and had a very bias view of the fight.

Yea there were. But it seemed like many more saw it for Diaz. It all depends who actually went public with their view.

But even guys like Ellenberger Cody McKenzie, Corimer even didn't care for the decision.

Even Diego Sanchez a partner of Condit said he was happy for Condit's win. But wasn't that happy with the fight or his performance. And Sanchez HATES Diaz.

I think all of these pros thinking Diaz won at least confirms that the thought that Diaz won that fight isn't ridiculous. It was a close fight either way.

**Rubber Guard** · 02-07-12, 01:38 PM

I think if they did fight again Nick should look more to grapple. He isn't that kind of fighter in the least. But he can still can a finish. If he focuses on wrestling more and sets up a couple of takedowns early, he can sub Condit. 5th round Diaz was fresh enough to get a takedown and easily get Condit's back. Like he said, if he thought he was losing he would have went for that sub a lot harder than what he did.

Still baffles me that the judges gave Kos the 3rd round for getting a takedown he did nothing with...yet didn't give Diaz the 5th where he got the takedown and took the back with ease and controlled his back looking for subs for a full minute and a half. Let me remind everyone these are THE SAME judges. How MMA is scored I will never know.

**Rubber Guard** · 02-07-12, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

I'd take these names over those.

Ben Henderson: "Wow seems to be quite the controversy, I don't get it...I had Condit clearly winning 4 rds...1 guy walked forward the other landed strikes.."

Stephan Bonnar: "All I gotta say is #followingthegameplantoaT . Congrats to the natty born killer!"

Jon Fitch: "@jonfitchdotnet: I think condit won"

Miesha Tate: "@mieshatate: I thought Condit won the fight I know Diaz is pissed but Condit had a solid game plan that worked, I thought he won for sure"

Brian Stann: "@carloscondit won that fight in my opinion, so happy for him, put a belt around his waist!! He is a great person & father"

Aaron Simpson: "I scored the same...but real close. RT @KevinI: How did you score the rounds last night @aaronsimpson? I gave Diaz 1-2 and Condit 3-4-5"

Bas Rutten: "Ha! He did it! Wow, this is freaking great! Props to Jacksons camp, very good strategy"

Frank Shamrock: "UFC 143 results: Nick Diaz vs Carlos Condit fight metric report shows judges made right decision"

How would you take those names? A guy like Stann, Bendo, and Fitch probably hate Nick Diaz. Many people are backing Condit because he is a polite guy and they are glad to see him do well. Many people have it out for Diaz. I know for a fact John Fitch doesn't like Diaz one bit. Plus he is the definition of a human blanket. He LOVES the fact that Condit out-pointed Diaz. That is what he is all about.

AFrank Shamrock hates Diaz.

Those names are pretty bias.

Simpson says was real close. 2 judges scored it 4-1. A lot of Diaz haters scored it 4-1. He didn't see that fight the same. He said it was real close.

**Beelzebubzy** · 02-07-12, 01:52 PM

Bas Rutten: "Ha! He did it! Wow, this is freaking great! Props to Jacksons camp, very good strategy"

Only opinion that matters to me. Rutten also scored Pettis/Guida for Pettis for attacking off his back.

this matches my reasoning
Ben Henderson: "Wow seems to be quite the controversy, I don't get it...I had Condit clearly winning 4 rds...1 guy walked forward the other landed strikes.."

**omalley21** · 02-07-12, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by Rubber Guard

I think if they did fight again Nick should look more to grapple. He isn't that kind of fighter in the least. But he can still can a finish. If he focuses on wrestling more and sets up a couple of takedowns early, he can sub Condit. 5th round Diaz was fresh enough to get a takedown and easily get Condit's back. Like he said, if he thought he was losing he would have went for that sub a lot harder than what he did.

Still baffles me that the judges gave Kos the 3rd round for getting a takedown he did nothing with...yet didn't give Diaz the 5th where he got the takedown and took the back with ease and controlled his back looking for subs for a full minute and a half. Let me remind everyone these are THE SAME judges. How MMA is scored I will never know.

Were they the same judges? I don't think the same 3 judges work every fight on the card. I could be wrong, I'm not sure.

**The Fobfather** · 02-07-12, 02:32 PM

Just wanted to throw in that I hate Cecil Peoples. Stevie Wonder would be a better judge.

**Giblets** · 02-07-12, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by Rubber Guard

Like he said, if he thought he was losing he would have went for that sub a lot harder than what he did.

So I guess Diaz is the one guilty of not trying to finish the fight. People have to also keep in mind that Diaz could have charged at Condit faster than he was but it would be incredibly stupid to give up footwork and technique.

**Rubber Guard** · 02-07-12, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by Giblets

So I guess Diaz is the one guilty of not trying to finish the fight. People have to also keep in mind that Diaz could have charged at Condit faster than he was but it would be incredibly stupid to give up footwork and technique.

Pretty much. His brother shouldn't of told him he was up 3-1. I don't like when corners do that in close fights.

But how can you blame Diaz? He won the 5th round, I have no clue how anyone gives it to Condit under these wrestler rules. Diaz has lost plenty of times just from a guy laying on top of him. Getting a takedown and getting a guys back fro a minute and a half should be more than enough in MMA scoring to win a round.

Kos did far less in round 3 and was given the round.

Judging is way too inconsistent.

It was a close fight. Maybe Condit did enough to out-point him for 3 rounds. But I don;t respect styles that try to steal fights on points.

Diaz isn't even on the injury report or medical list after the fight. That is the best Diaz has looked after a fight in a LONG time. And it went all 5 rounds....

Diaz was there to fight. Condit brought a good gameplan, no doubt. But it was to out-point and hope for a decision. It worked out for him. I just hope MMA doesn't turn into point fighting with guys fighting not to lose.

Guys like Cruz and Anderson have great defense. And they have it without turning their back and jogging to the other side of the octagon.

I want to know how Rampage beat Machida by coming forward....and Diaz can't beat Condit by coming forward. I would imagine Diaz landed many more strikes than Rampage did that fight too.

**Giblets** · 02-07-12, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by Rubber Guard

Judging is way too inconsistent.

That's the most frustrating part. The next night it could have been 50-45 unanimous for Diaz and I would have been fine with it. Honestly I expected to see Diaz' hand get raised at the end of the fight because I thought the whole moving forward has gotten rewarded more often than not.

I would say Cruz has "ran away" plenty of times in his fights though.

**Rubber Guard** · 02-07-12, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by Giblets

That's the most frustrating part. The next night it could have been 50-45 unanimous for Diaz and I would have been fine with it. Honestly I expected to see Diaz' hand get raised at the end of the fight because I thought the whole moving forward has gotten rewarded more often than not.

I would say Cruz has "ran away" plenty of times in his fights though.

Not so sure.

He has circled away and will attack right away with 3-5 strike combos. He is usually the one coming forward so it is sort of hard to run away.

I thought Nick's Combo's to the face and aggression in the 1st and 2nd won him those rounds. Condit may have landed a couple more strikes each round but I didn't think it was enough to outscore punching combo's and aggression Diaz showed.

The 3rd was a toss, I'll give it to Condit.

The 4th was all Condit, this is where most of his combo's came from. Most of everything that I enjoyed from him that night came in this round.

The 5th I see no way anyone gives it to Condit. If people are going to give it to Condit then they really shouldn't be giving wrestlers any rounds. Getting Condit's back was the biggest thing that happened in the fight.

48-47 Diaz in a close and disappointing fight. I was all over Condit/Diaz FOTN. Until I couldn't find it at + money. Glad the line made me not play it. I still thought it was easy money at -120 or whatever I saw it at. I guess it wasn't.

**more_betterness** · 02-07-12, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

Nothing, you just have to prove to SBR that you have an account funded at one of their major books, or sign up through one of their links.

I thought you had to fund a new account? If not I have a shitload of free pizza to cash in on.

**PunisherIND** · 02-07-12, 08:49 PM

Originally posted by more_betterness

I thought you had to fund a new account? If not I have a shitload of free pizza to cash in on.

id love to know the answer too. how to i go pro without funding a new acct? i have existing 5dimes and bodog accts.

**Giblets** · 02-07-12, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by PunisherIND

id love to know the answer too. how to i go pro without funding a new acct? i have existing 5dimes and bodog accts.

I'm pretty sure you have to fund a new account to initially become a pro.

**NunyaBidness** · 02-08-12, 12:02 AM

Originally posted by more_betterness

I thought you had to fund a new account? If not I have a shitload of free pizza to cash in on.

I did not have to fund a new account. It's possible they have changed the rules since I did it, but all I had to do was give them the account number of my Bookmaker account. In two days I got a message that I was verified. When it came time to re-up a year later all I had to do was verify that the same account still had funds.

I've only been a pro here for a little over a year, and have had all my major book accounts for 5+ years.

**Vaughany** · 02-08-12, 02:42 AM

Ye same with me. Just had to give my Pinnacle account number I think, or maybe it was sportbet. Either way I already had at least $200 in each which I think was the minimum required

**Vaughany** · 02-08-12, 02:48 AM

Apparently Condit has accepted a rematch with Diaz

**Grabaka** · 02-08-12, 02:59 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Ye same with me. Just had to give my Pinnacle account number I think, or maybe it was sportbet. Either way I already had at least $200 in each which I think was the minimum required

Did you send them e-mail or how you begun the process? thanks bro

**Vaughany** · 02-08-12, 03:10 AM

Originally posted by Grabaka

Did you send them e-mail or how you begun the process? thanks bro

You just click on the "become a pro" thing then fill in the form

**omalley21** · 02-08-12, 12:08 PM

I tried to go pro with my existing accounts and they wouldn't accept it. Said I need to sign up to a new book. The only books I want are V's euro books. I'm about to get in touch with some family in Ireland and try to make it happen.

**Vaughany** · 02-08-12, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by omalley21

I tried to go pro with my existing accounts and they wouldn't accept it. Said I need to sign up to a new book. The only books I want are V's euro books. I'm about to get in touch with some family in Ireland and try to make it happen.

Have u got a Pinnacle account already? If not could do it through them

**Vaughany** · 02-08-12, 12:26 PM

Adding:

Parlay (treble): 5.625 units on Ellenberger (-250), Jon Jones (-400), & Anderson Silva (-225) to win 8.594 units.

**omalley21** · 02-08-12, 12:34 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Have u got a Pinnacle account already? If not could do it through them

Im in the US... I had a pinny account years ago I think... got it like a week before they left the US lol.

**zoo youk** · 02-08-12, 03:14 PM

yo, V. you ever hear of Brad Daddis? he runs 2 gyms/camps in my area called Daddis Fight Camps. they just had some fights in AC for CFFC.

thinking about joining them just to work out at first for a year or so than maybe mix it up.

**Vaughany** · 02-08-12, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by zoo youk

yo, V. you ever hear of Brad Daddis? he runs 2 gyms/camps in my area called Daddis Fight Camps. they just had some fights in AC for CFFC.

thinking about joining them just to work out at first for a year or so than maybe mix it up.

Yeah, know he was a NAGA Champion, came across him when I was watchin some grappling tournaments a while back. Think he is quite well respected in MMA community and Bellator hold try-outs at his gyms. Wilson Reis and Waylon Lowe are based there as well so you might have training from them if u do Muay Thai or/and wrestling.

**Vaughany** · 02-08-12, 04:02 PM

Poirier and Korean Zombie going at it on twitter...

KoreanZombieMMA Chan Sung Jung
Dustin Poirier? 6 seconds!

Poirier:
@KoreanZombieMMA Trust me you don't want this... I will expose you.

Would love for this fight to be happen. Would go BIG on a certain fighter as underdog!

**zoo youk** · 02-08-12, 04:06 PM

Yeah heard about those guys.

Most familiar i am with is and up and comer Jackson Galka, hes the one just fought in Cffc came away with a submission standing guillotine

**The Fobfather** · 02-08-12, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Poirier and Korean Zombie going at it on twitter...

KoreanZombieMMA Chan Sung Jung
Dustin Poirier? 6 seconds!

Poirier:
@KoreanZombieMMA Trust me you don't want this... I will expose you.

Would love for this fight to be happen. Would go BIG on a certain fighter as underdog!

I like Korean Zombie big on this one. I think Dustin's stand up is a little overrated. The last couple fights he has had the luxury of taking it to the ground when it isn't going his way in the standup. I think KZ has his way in the standup and Dustin has a hard time trying to take KZ down. KZ's team is filled with outstanding grapplers.

**Vitooch** · 02-08-12, 04:35 PM

The Korean Zombie has already been exposed by Roop. I dont like using that word exposed in MMA, anyway

**The Fobfather** · 02-08-12, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by Vitooch

The Korean Zombie has already been exposed by Roop. I dont like using that word exposed in MMA, anyway

I think the George Roop KO was a wake up call for KZ. He was sloppy and he got caught.

**Vaughany** · 02-08-12, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by Vitooch

The Korean Zombie has already been exposed by Roop. I dont like using that word exposed in MMA, anyway

ha yeah.

Drive

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdP2q88rw3U

**Vaughany** · 02-08-12, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by The Fobfather

I think the George Roop KO was a wake up call for KZ. He was sloppy and he got caught.

yeah, he said that was the end of Korean Zombie after tht fight. Fighting smart from then on

**Vitooch** · 02-08-12, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

ha yeah.

Drive

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdP2q88rw3U

Amazing soundtrack. Should get some Oscar recognition for atleast that.

**gabe** · 02-09-12, 01:04 AM

can't believe rogan and especially redban didn't like "drive"

**Jordan23** · 02-09-12, 01:23 AM

Originally posted by gabe

can't believe rogan and especially redban didn't like "drive"

Redban is a dumbass... the dude is pushing 40 and acts like a teenager. I'd pay money to punch him in the face.

**gabe** · 02-09-12, 02:28 AM

LOL he's a really nice guy and cool to hang with but he says a lot of dumb shit on the podcast.