UFC 116 Rumors/Discussion

brooks85 · 04-28-10, 09:01 AM

ya i think TBA gets past reljic but Grove will submit him for sure.

squallsquall · 04-29-10, 01:53 AM

Originally posted by brooks85

ya i think TBA gets past reljic but Grove will submit him for sure.

Wasn't aware the tourney format was back

brooks85 · 05-05-10, 02:31 PM

Relic vs Grove added

playa420 · 05-05-10, 07:41 PM

The Silva/Akiyama line is out

Wanderlei Silva -170
Yoshihiro Akiyama +140

Thats a sweet ass line on Akiyama!!!

donkdown · 05-06-10, 10:49 AM

Tito Ortiz is god

bogbat · 05-06-10, 06:15 PM

Brock Lesnar vs. Shane Carwin
Yoshihiro Akiyama vs. Wanderlei Silva*
Kurt Pellegrino vs. George Sotiropoulos*
Nate Marquardt vs. Alessio Sakara*
Cheick Kongo vs. Roy Nelson*
Brendan Schaub vs. Chris Tuchscherer*
Stephan Bonnar vs. Krzysztof Soszynski*
Matt Brown vs. Chris Lytle*
Kendall Grove vs. Goran Reljic

I'd consider a play on all of these underdogs. Even maybe a small bet on the long shot of them all as a parlay +12365 . lol

Edit > I also love George Sotiropoulos and Roy Nelson here.

Kaladarus · 05-07-10, 10:56 AM

Nelson is a beast.

need4speed · 05-07-10, 04:34 PM

Carwin is very good. Lesner is a beast. Great fight tough pick, I just dont see a bet on either side being worth it, I do however think the line will push up so bet lesner now and Carwin later.

yisman · 05-07-10, 05:23 PM

here's my picks:

Machida-Dec
Koscheck-TKO
Stout-Dec
Slice-TKO
Cote-Sub
Lawlor - Sub
Davis-TKO
Hendricks-Sub
Hague- TKO
MacDonald- sub
Yoshida-Sub

The HOFF · 05-26-10, 03:19 AM

Date: Jul 03, 2010

Location: Las Vegas
Venue: MGM Grand Garden Arena
Broadcast: Pay-per-view and Spike TV

MAIN CARD

Champ Brock Lesnar vs. interim champ Shane Carwin (heavyweight title-unification bout)
Yoshihiro Akiyama vs. Wanderlei Silva
Matt Brown vs. Chris Lytle
Stephan Bonnar vs. Krzysztof Soszynski
Kurt Pellegrino vs. George Sotiropoulos

PRELIMINARY CARD (Spike TV)

Brendan Schaub vs. Chris Tuchscherer
Kendall Grove vs. Goran Reljic

PRELIMINARY CARD (Un-aired)

Paul Kelly vs. Jacob Volkmann
Gerald Harris vs. TBA*
Julio Paulino vs. Daniel Roberts
Jon Madsen vs. Karlos Vemola

The HOFF · 05-26-10, 03:22 AM

Anyone else think this is a weak card? The main event will be awesome, but the rest of this is pretty lame for a big holiday weekend card.

Eccocide · 06-17-10, 09:20 PM

Brock looking beastly.

and I actually think this is a sick card. Brock/Shane, Akiyama/Wanderlei and Pellegrino/Sotiropolous all have a lot of significance and are awesome fights. Reljic/Grove, Lytle/Brown and the Bonnar rematch will all be crazy entertaining fights. Cant wait.

Shagdogy · 06-17-10, 11:32 PM

Carwin is the best play here for the money. Brock has too many unknowns because of the layoff/sickness... but most of all, Carwin's wrestling and size is just enough that he will not get completely smothered by Brock. He will have at least a few opportunities to land some shots, and when he does, Brock just might go down like everyone else Carwin's hit. Brock was rocked against Mir, and he even admitted that he was hurt by a Couture punch. I know his head is as big as a gorilla's, but if COUTURE can make Brock feel the pain, then Carwin will put him to sleep.

Of course I can see Brock getting a good old boring GSP-style win, but for the money, Carwin has to be the play. Or just stay away. I can't see justifying betting on Brock.

Kaladarus · 06-17-10, 11:56 PM

At least Lesnar has a fighter that knows what he's doing training with him. Couture should make a huge difference.

Vrakas · 06-18-10, 06:52 AM

lesnar will be knocked out.

36mafia · 06-18-10, 10:25 AM

carwin and team jackson will roll.

couture is the most overrated fighter anyways

vassman86 · 06-19-10, 05:41 PM

I'd like to see Carwin pull off the win. He's got more experience than Lesnar. But I'm worried about Carwin's chin. Sure enough, Lesnar's stand-up isn't crisp, but he packs plenty of power in those punches.

Varker · 06-20-10, 05:59 PM

Going with Carwin. Lesnar will have cardio issues and won't be able to hold Carwin down for 5 rounds.

Shagdogy · 06-20-10, 08:49 PM

Varker... you made the right point there. Brock won't hold Carwin down for 5 straight rounds, and Carwin only needs a few seconds at somepoint to drop Brock and end it. Lots of people liking Carwin here... I was hoping the line may get better for Carwin, but looks like it may move more towards even. Keep our eyes open and jump on Carwin before he loses the worth.

The HOFF · 06-20-10, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by Varker

Going with Carwin. Lesnar will have cardio issues and won't be able to hold Carwin down for 5 rounds.

I think the cardio issues are the other way around. Everyone knows Carwin has never been past the 1st round so we don't know much about his. But Lesnar is an NCAA Champion wrestler. Cardio is not an issue for him. I think Lesnar can hold Carwin down and Carwin will tire from 290 lbs laying on him.

The HOFF · 06-22-10, 05:42 PM

Fresh off a dominant win at The Ultimate Fighter 11 Finale, Chris Leben (20-6 MMA, 10-5 UFC) has agreed to replace injured Wanderlei Silva (33-10-1 MMA, 3-5 UFC) and fight Yoshihiro Akiyama (13-1-2 MMA, 1-0 UFC) in the co-headliner of next week's UFC 116 event.

A source close to the event told MMAjunkie.com Leben has agreed to the bout and is expected to sign shortly.

Leben scored a second-round TKO of Aaron Simpson on Saturday, and if signed, his fight with Akiyama will take place after a mere 12-day layoff.

brooks85 · 06-22-10, 07:09 PM

good, get my money back simpson lost fighting like a dummy

THE_LOCKSMITH · 06-23-10, 08:14 AM

props to leben for taking the fight on short notice and right after the simpson fight, the guys from the original TUF middleweight semi-finals are really racking up the fights

Koscheck (17)
Sanchez (14)

Florian (14)
Leben (15)

Educ8d Degener8 · 06-23-10, 09:51 AM

Originally posted by Varker

Going with Carwin. Lesnar will have cardio issues and won't be able to hold Carwin down for 5 rounds.

I don't think either of these guys is too concerned with needing to have the cardio to last 5 rounds...

Chairib · 06-23-10, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by Educ8d Degener8

I don't think either of these guys is too concerned with needing to have the cardio to last 5 rounds...

You never know how fights play out, especially with Lesnar's long absence from fighting. I think Carwin will be looking for the quck finish.

NOLA42 · 06-23-10, 04:35 PM

how did wandy get hurt?

brooks85 · 06-23-10, 04:49 PM

he had a torn knee already and was going to fight anyways he said. Which in hindsight would have been great for sexy backers. But, wandy then injured his ribs so decided to pull out.

stefan084 · 06-24-10, 12:03 AM

Originally posted by Shagdogy

Carwin is the best play here for the money. Brock has too many unknowns because of the layoff/sickness... but most of all, Carwin's wrestling and size is just enough that he will not get completely smothered by Brock. He will have at least a few opportunities to land some shots, and when he does, Brock just might go down like everyone else Carwin's hit. Brock was rocked against Mir, and he even admitted that he was hurt by a Couture punch. I know his head is as big as a gorilla's, but if COUTURE can make Brock feel the pain, then Carwin will put him to sleep.

Of course I can see Brock getting a good old boring GSP-style win, but for the money, Carwin has to be the play. Or just stay away. I can't see justifying betting on Brock.

---the GSP style win theory is what screws up both the Carwin win play and the "fight won't go 5 rounds" that i wanted to play here. i'm just trying to figure out if Brock can keep him down for 5 rounds, because if not i really think Brock gets knocked out

SweatySombrero · 06-24-10, 12:13 AM

No kidding?

Lesnar will take this to the ground, end of story. He will not stand and test his chin against a guy that can obviously knock people down hard. Lesnar's hands are heavy as well, but he a FAR superior wrestler over Carwin. Hat to say it, but I look for a fight like Heath Herring. Lesnar will control the ground game and go back to his outstanding wrestling credentials. Lesnar will have no problem making weight. His speed and quickness is also uterly amazing to me.
Just my thoughts!

o Yeah. brock lesnar all the time

36mafia · 06-24-10, 12:18 AM

^can we get rid of this ****

Shagdogy · 06-24-10, 12:28 AM

Sombrero... I don't doubt that Brock is a much better wrestler, I just don't see him being able to take Carwin down immediately and keep him there every second of every round for five rounds. I think there will be a few scrambles and a few moments of clinching on the feet against the cage (And Carwin proved he can KO a guy with short punches against the cage in the Mir fight). Every moment that the fight stays up, Carwin has a HUGE advantage. When Carwin was at +180, I feel like those few moments were worth the play for him... and Carwin is too dangerous to bet Brock at -200. The line has tightened up some now, and I almost feel like there's no good play anymore. I got in on Carwin at +140 but I would've liked more value. I just had to put my money where my mouth is and bet my hunch though.

Also, with Carwin's wrestling background I think he will finally be the one to do the smart thing on the ground when Brock takes him down and turtle immediately. Brock is too big to put hooks in and take his back and he has NO bjj. All he can do is hammer-fist (granted it's the nastiest hammer-fist outside of the zoo). Trying to use any kind of guard off your back against Brock is idiotic. I think Carwin will be able to lean in to the fence and stand back up if he's willing to give up his back and take a few hammer-fists. If Carwin can trade his big right hand for Brock's hammer-fist then he's in good shape.

SweatySombrero · 06-24-10, 05:25 AM

brock has the experience man.

As an amateur wrestler, he was a four-time All-American, two-time Big Ten Champion and NCAA heavyweight wrestling champion.

carwin just cant walk into the fight. not expecting to be slaped or a DDT to the face

Vaughany · 06-24-10, 07:25 AM

Originally posted by SweatySombrero

brock has the experience man.

As an amateur wrestler, he was a four-time All-American, two-time Big Ten Champion and NCAA heavyweight wrestling champion.

carwin just cant walk into the fight. not expecting to be slaped or a DDT to the face

O Yeah all the time

MadTiger · 06-24-10, 07:35 AM

Originally posted by Shagdogy

Varker... you made the right point there. Brock won't hold Carwin down for 5 straight rounds, and Carwin only needs a few seconds at somepoint to drop Brock and end it. Lots of people liking Carwin here... I was hoping the line may get better for Carwin, but looks like it may move more towards even. Keep our eyes open and jump on Carwin before he loses the worth.

Carwin carries the hope of the Anti-Meathead Foundation on his back.

Carwin over Lesnar (please one time!)

SweatySombrero · 06-24-10, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by SweatySombrero
brock has the experience man.

As an amateur wrestler, he was a four-time All-American, two-time Big Ten Champion and NCAA heavyweight wrestling champion.

carwin just cant walk into the fight. not expecting to be slaped or a DDT to the face
O Yeah all the time

^ perfect