UFC Fight Night: Pettis vs. Moreno (August 05, 2017)

**firekillex** · 08-07-17, 01:48 AM

it has been done

and GSP style wasnt always fan pleasing but he fought smart and trained super hard, he brought in MMA wrestling and showed you dont need an NCAA wrestling pedigree to be a great MMA wrestler its all about timing and training ..... Rory is a great fighter as well but if you think GSP is weird Rory is 2x worse lol

**JIBBBY** · 08-07-17, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by firekillex

it has been done

and GSP style wasnt always fan pleasing but he fought smart and trained super hard, he brought in MMA wrestling and showed you dont need an NCAA wrestling pedigree to be a great MMA wrestler its all about timing and training ..... Rory is a great fighter as well but if you think GSP is weird Rory is 2x worse lol

Yep, Rory is a bit stoic, strange and mellow all at the same time.. I guess you can cal him weird.. I just like Rory because he really comes to fight, he'll bang with anyone and hold his own.. His epic fights with Ruthless Robbie Lawler were instant classics..

GSP has a jab, athletic as hell, and can MMA wrestle his ass off, his boxing sucks though, no head movement.. Outside of that GSP has to take his fights to the ground to win as he's not gonna out box anyone on points..

I first thought Bisping will get destroyed by GSP but I'm now changing my mind. I'm giving Bisping a chance against him.. GSP has been out of the Octagon for far to long and if I remember correctly he was getting hit alot in his last few fights.. Bisping might knock him out..

**PaperTrail07** · 08-07-17, 10:15 AM

Didn't bet big bc I wasn't confident in them and ended up pegging this event....variance...smh lol.......

Originally posted by PaperTrail07

I'd be surprised if the slow hammer alvey connects here....he SHOULD get aggressive and walk Rashad down like Glover did....but he wont .....3 round snooze fest...

**Demonata** · 08-07-17, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

Yep, Rory is a bit stoic, strange and mellow all at the same time.. I guess you can cal him weird.. I just like Rory because he really comes to fight, he'll bang with anyone and hold his own.. His epic fights with Ruthless Robbie Lawler were instant classics..

GSP has a jab, athletic as hell, and can MMA wrestle his ass off, his boxing sucks though, no head movement.. Outside of that GSP has to take his fights to the ground to win as he's not gonna out box anyone on points..

I first thought Bisping will get destroyed by GSP but I'm now changing my mind. I'm giving Bisping a chance against him.. GSP has been out of the Octagon for far to long and if I remember correctly he was getting hit alot in his last few fights.. Bisping might knock him out..

I'm surprised you like maia since I think gsp is way better than him standing and maia has to take it to ground. Nothing wrong with a fighter that held the title that long fighting the only way he knows how.

**JIBBBY** · 08-07-17, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by Demonata

I'm surprised you like maia since I think gsp is way better than him standing and maia has to take it to ground. Nothing wrong with a fighter that held the title that long fighting the only way he knows how.

I'm a fan of Jits and like how Maia whom also is not a college stand out wrestler can always find ways to get his fights to the ground and work his magic by advancing his positions... He would have gotten Woodley down if Woodley didn't grab the fence.. Plus I like Maia's quite humble demeanor..

GSP will shoot the doubles and just lay and pray and work the ground and pound.. GSP doesn't advance his positions or really try to take the back like Maia does.. Completely different ground fighters..

**firekillex** · 08-07-17, 04:22 PM

we need a ufc 215 card thread up
odds are up now , some solid fights/ betting opportunities

**JIBBBY** · 08-07-17, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by firekillex

we need a ufc 215 card thread up
odds are up now , some solid fights/ betting opportunities

It's not until Sept 9th and over a month away

...

This fight is gonna be lights out.. I think JDS gets dropped..

Main Card

Junior
Dos Santos
"Cigano"
vs
Francis
Ngannou
"The Predator"

BRAZIL
Country
CAMEROON

18-5-0
Record
10-1-0

72%
KO/TKO
50%

6%
SUB
40%

22%
DEC
0%

76 in
Height
76 in

238 lbs
Weight
250 lbs

77 in
Reach
83 in

41 in
Leg Reach
44 in

**Wohlford** · 08-07-17, 04:55 PM

JDS at +250 and better is a steal.

Ngannou has almost no technical skill. He's wildly powerful, but that's it.

JDS will clean his clock with clean technique.

JDS has recently proven that he can retreat without just backing himself up into the cage. That's really the only skill he needed to add to his repertoire in order to beat the likes of Ngannou.

Since you love hedging so much, you might try Ngannou by TKO/KO, but I doubt there will be value. Just take the JDS+250 and enjoy.

**JIBBBY** · 08-07-17, 05:02 PM

UFC 215 - Heavyweight 3 rounds - Rogers Place - Edmonton, Canada - PPV
Sat 9/9	1201 Junior dos Santos	+250	o1½ +165
11:00PM	1202 Francis Ngannou	-300	u1½ -190

Wohlford - I don't think JDS can handle the power of Francis... One shot and it's lights out.

Nagannou by KO or 1st round finish depending on prop odds I was already considering, JDS by sub hedge is what I'm also thinking. JDS's only hope in my opinion is to win this fight is on the ground I believe.. Get the black beast down and work his Jits for a sub..

**bjpenn85** · 08-07-17, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by Wohlford

JDS at +250 and better is a steal.

Ngannou has almost no technical skill. He's wildly powerful, but that's it.

JDS will clean his clock with clean technique.

JDS has recently proven that he can retreat without just backing himself up into the cage. That's really the only skill he needed to add to his repertoire in order to beat the likes of Ngannou.

Since you love hedging so much, you might try Ngannou by TKO/KO, but I doubt there will be value. Just take the JDS+250 and enjoy.

You probably also played arlovsky for +250? Ngannou by 30 sec KO.

**Wohlford** · 08-07-17, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by bjpenn85

You probably also played arlovsky for +250? Ngannou by 30 sec KO.

No, I've been on Ngannou for all his fights so far going back to his underdog win over Blaydes (most the forum was on Blaydes if I recall correctly).

Arlovsky is not remotely comparable to JDS. As I said in my prior post, I see JDS beating Ngannou on the feet. As a kickboxer, Ngannou is not in JDS's league (nor is Arlovsky).

**Demonata** · 08-07-17, 06:00 PM

I like jds. +250 is too good to pass sup. Eill be his hardest test and I think jds survives and is the better technical striker

**bjpenn85** · 08-08-17, 01:28 AM

Originally posted by Wohlford

No, I've been on Ngannou for all his fights so far going back to his underdog win over Blaydes (most the forum was on Blaydes if I recall correctly).

Arlovsky is not remotely comparable to JDS. As I said in my prior post, I see JDS beating Ngannou on the feet. As a kickboxer, Ngannou is not in JDS's league (nor is Arlovsky).

How likely will you say it is that Ngannou gets the KO, in percentage? I thought to myself, approx round 70% = +233, not far from where the line is now. I understand that the line is tempting, but JDS is not the same fighter he was. As a bettor you need to be one fight ahead, not one fight behind. Power of Ngannou will come into play more than JDS technique. I know you think to yourself, man i see what nobody else are able to see, im doing some real outside of the box thinking here. +250 = 0 value, but good luck.

**bjpenn85** · 08-08-17, 01:31 AM

Originally posted by Demonata

I like jds. +250 is too good to pass sup. Eill be his hardest test and I think jds survives and is the better technical striker

New bigday?

**JIBBBY** · 08-08-17, 01:38 AM

Always bet on black.. Especially when it comes to this beast... JDS is gonna get cracked in the chin and dropped.. Save all the theories.. This dude could be champ one day... He's scary..

Shall I remind you all..

**JIBBBY** · 08-08-17, 01:42 AM

If he can finish Curtis Blaydes and Anthony Hamilton he can finish JDS.. http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Francis-Ngannou-152341

**bjpenn85** · 08-08-17, 01:55 AM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

If he can finish Curtis Blaydes and Anthony Hamilton he can finish JDS.. http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Francis-Ngannou-152341

And he will..

**JIBBBY** · 08-08-17, 02:03 AM

^^^The Under 1.5 at -190 seems like a really solid bet in that fight as well..

**Demonata** · 08-08-17, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by bjpenn85

New bigday?

Nope because big day is dumbass who never faught and has no knowledge. To say ngannou should be that big of a favorite against a fighter like junior did Santos is ridiculous. If you think ngannou has proven he should be that big of a favorite then you are crazy.

**PaperTrail07** · 08-08-17, 10:06 AM

JDS is in trouble....love the guy.....BUT say goodnight...or possible brain damage lol

**JIBBBY** · 08-08-17, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by Demonata

Nope because big day is dumbass who never faught and has no knowledge. To say ngannou should be that big of a favorite against a fighter like junior did Santos is ridiculous. If you think ngannou has proven he should be that big of a favorite then you are crazy.

JDS best days are behind him.. He's gotten KO'd in 2 of his last 3 fights... You expect his chin to hold up in this fight now against this up and coming Beast?http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Junior-dos-Santos-17272

JDS better try and take this fight to the ground and in a hurry...

**Wohlford** · 08-08-17, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

JDS best days are behind him.. He's gotten KO'd in 2 of his last 3 fights... You expect his chin to hold up in this fight now against this up and coming Beast?http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Junior-dos-Santos-17272

JDS better try and take this fight to the ground and in a hurry...

Ngannou would probably have been KO'd by Miocic and Overeem too.

The problem is that Ngannou is a very undeveloped striker. That hasn't mattered much so far because he's been fighting cans. But JDS is elite. JDS is the best kickboxer in the heavyweight division bar none.

If you read Jack Slack and some other analysts talk about JDS, they'll note how JDS has made massive recent improvements to his "ringcraft" particularly in not retreating in a straight line back to the fence.

If the JDS of old shows up, he could easily get backed up to the face, shell up, and eat shots until Ngannou's power gets the best of him. But the new JDS will stick and move and basically make the unschooled Ngannou look foolish.

**firekillex** · 08-08-17, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

If he can finish Curtis Blaydes and Anthony Hamilton he can finish JDS.. http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Francis-Ngannou-152341

what kind of logic is that lolllllll..... JDS a HW champion and top 5 contender his entire UFC career , comparing to Anthony Hamilton and Curst Blaydes both guys whove never been top 10 or shown any elite skill.......

Ngannou can definitely win the fight but -300 is an extremely overhyped price , anybody who bets him at -300 is a sucker

+250 JDS is huge value imo, JDS has elite boxing and could easily tag Ngannou , especially at HW nobodys chin is invincible , JDS has the power to KO anybody in the division if he lands first, he has amazing speed so Ngannou better be careful

**PaperTrail07** · 08-08-17, 11:45 AM

JDS just has not been the same after all those WARS....what's been done in the past means nothing at this point.. JDS had the skills but I feel he will just get overwhelmed and eventually his head will be bouncing off the mat.... Could he land a bomb Yes....could be weather the storm....and edge a decision....maybe...still waiting for JDS to impress....prove me wrong ciGano....

**JIBBBY** · 08-08-17, 12:27 PM

Originally posted by firekillex

what kind of logic is that lolllllll..... JDS a HW champion and top 5 contender his entire UFC career , comparing to Anthony Hamilton and Curst Blaydes both guys whove never been top 10 or shown any elite skill.......

Ngannou can definitely win the fight but -300 is an extremely overhyped price , anybody who bets him at -300 is a sucker

+250 JDS is huge value imo, JDS has elite boxing and could easily tag Ngannou , especially at HW nobodys chin is invincible , JDS has the power to KO anybody in the division if he lands first, he has amazing speed so Ngannou better be careful

Logic is Blaydes and Hamilton are really tough guys to finish and Ngannou finished them both, JDS has been slept in 2 of his last 3 fights..

JDS isn't the same dominate fighter he use to be.. Ngannou is very strong, from what I've seen he's a decent wrestler and not a fish out of water on the ground either.. He can take shot, solid chin.. Hits like a truck!!!

JDS has not been able to avoid getting punched in the face in recent fights and paid the price.. He can't take clean shots from Ngannou or he will be slept again..

Sure JDS has experience, was scary good at one time, but he's just a stand up fighter brawler these days.. He's writing checks his chin can't cash in other words these days..

**Demonata** · 08-08-17, 12:36 PM

Anybody making a contender series thread for tonight's fights?

**firekillex** · 08-08-17, 12:46 PM

JDS isnt a brawler at all .... he actually uses a ton of movement with his standup/boxing
id pretty much say its 99% chance he wont shoot a takedown and believes he can beat Ngannou in the stand up

if JDS fought anthony hamilton and blaydes he would absolutely starch them as well, not hard to finish a low end fighter when youre a top 10 fighter..... Ngannou is a beast dont get me wrong but hes being thrusted into a top 5 fight extremely fast here and he has a ton of question marks still.... +250 is great value on JDS for whats a coinflip fight imo

**JIBBBY** · 08-08-17, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by Demonata

Anybody making a contender series thread for tonight's fights?

There is one out already.. Look..

**JIBBBY** · 08-08-17, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by firekillex

JDS isnt a brawler at all .... he actually uses a ton of movement with his standup/boxing
id pretty much say its 99% chance he wont shoot a takedown and believes he can beat Ngannou in the stand up

if JDS fought anthony hamilton and blaydes he would absolutely starch them as well, not hard to finish a low end fighter when youre a top 10 fighter..... Ngannou is a beast dont get me wrong but hes being thrusted into a top 5 fight extremely fast here and he has a ton of question marks still.... +250 is great value on JDS for whats a coinflip fight imo

We'll see.. Maybe you're right... Odds are stiff...

**firekillex** · 08-08-17, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

We'll see.. Maybe you're right... Odds are stiff...

straight odds id take ngannou if somebody wanted to just bet 100/100 but at those odds +250 is extremely juicy imo

even though JDS could definetly get starched prob just hedge with ngannou KO

**PaperTrail07** · 08-08-17, 01:28 PM

I plan on taking Ngannou -3.5 on 5D........prob get value LOL...

Originally posted by firekillex

straight odds id take ngannou if somebody wanted to just bet 100/100 but at those odds +250 is extremely juicy imo

even though JDS could definetly get starched prob just hedge with ngannou KO

**firekillex** · 08-08-17, 02:21 PM

if Ngannou wins itll be by TKO/KO imo...
not sure itll be the best odds if hes already -300
probably be -170 or something for TKO prop

**Demonata** · 08-08-17, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by firekillex

if Ngannou wins itll be by TKO/KO imo...
not sure itll be the best odds if hes already -300
probably be -170 or something for TKO prop

If it goes to decision definitely favors j d s

**firekillex** · 08-08-17, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by Demonata

If it goes to decision definitely favors j d s

agreed amigo, i think he could use his movement ... stick/move for 3 rounds and just throw some jabs out with some occasional power shots/kicks ... will probably put something small on JDS decision prob get +500 or some juicy number

**bjpenn85** · 08-08-17, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by Demonata

Nope because big day is dumbass who never faught and has no knowledge. To say ngannou should be that big of a favorite against a fighter like junior did Santos is ridiculous. If you think ngannou has proven he should be that big of a favorite then you are crazy.

No play both sides imo. But i heeeeavily lean Ngannou to win, i just dont want to pay -300. I like fighters am familiar with. Never bet Bellator either.