UFC 211: Miocic vs. Dos Santos 2 (May 13, 2017)

JC2008 · 05-13-17, 11:51 PM

Originally posted by Plaza23

Me. I'm counting on the fix. There's lot of money to be made on a 3rd fight between these two. So I expect Junior to win.

- No. There is not a lot of money to be made in a trilogy...

JuicedUp · 05-13-17, 11:52 PM

KalouKalou · 05-13-17, 11:52 PM

Originally posted by JC2008

- No. There is not a lot of money to be made in a trilogy...

THE_LOCKSMITH · 05-13-17, 11:56 PM

that was quick

JuicedUp · 05-13-17, 11:56 PM

stipeeeeeeeeee

Fire in da hole · 05-13-17, 11:56 PM

WOW... just WOW.. all I can way

GunShard · 05-13-17, 11:56 PM

Miocic got his revenge.

Hugo de Naranja · 05-13-17, 11:56 PM

Is Stipe the GOAT HW? 4 consecutive R1 KO/TKOs of very good competition

intermission · 05-13-17, 11:57 PM

damn...at least i can go to sleep faster

Plaza23 · 05-13-17, 11:57 PM

Damn that wasn't a fix. less than 3 minute knockout.

JIBBBY · 05-13-17, 11:58 PM

Well that Under 1.5 hit.. Good night over all can't complain...

JDS got rolled...

Ralphie Halves · 05-13-17, 11:59 PM

He outstruck the other best striker in the HW division. Badly. Yikes.

Hugo de Naranja · 05-13-17, 11:59 PM

Broke even on that fight with hits on Miocic Round 1 and the Under. Still a losing night for me.

Hugo de Naranja · 05-13-17, 11:59 PM

Originally posted by Ralphie Halves

He outstruck the other best striker in the HW division. Badly. Yikes.

Did a great job of cage cutting

Plaza23 · 05-14-17, 12:07 AM

Originally posted by JC2008

- No. There is not a lot of money to be made in a trilogy...

With how bad JDS looked tonight, probably not. I mistakenly said I expect JDS to win because I thought he had lost the first. But it was the other way around.

Sanity Check · 05-14-17, 12:27 AM

This entire card was me getting demolished.

I went like 12-4 on my baseball and basketball calls to set up my MMA parlays thinking I'd do better on MMA than MLB or NBA.

Wasted my win streak & finished the night down a bit.

Wonder how Andrade would have done if she punched to the body more like she normally does.

Joanna should be on the P4P list if she isn't already.

Hoping to rebound on bellator next week.

Ty$ · 05-14-17, 09:20 AM

Originally posted by Plaza23

Me. I'm counting on the fix. There's lot of money to be made on a 3rd fight between these two. So I expect Junior to win.

HUH WHAT?? Fix? Hmmm ... I know a handful of UFC vets and signed fighters and these guys aren't fixing fights you dipshit. You're dumb. Point period. JDS has been beat to shit over the last 5 years and it showed in the fight and in the public betting eye.

firekillex · 05-14-17, 10:35 AM

hungover as shit but came out with one of the best betting cards this year

hit a huge 7 fight parlay actually thankful gordon fight got scratched now lol

Thor4140 · 05-14-17, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by Ty$

HUH WHAT?? Fix? Hmmm ... I know a handful of UFC vets and signed fighters and these guys aren't fixing fights you dipshit. You're dumb. Point period. JDS has been beat to shit over the last 5 years and it showed in the fight and in the public betting eye.

JDS is another Brazilian that is a shell of himself since testing arrived. Why people got so excited with his win over big bum Ben is mind boggling. In his steroid days he would have beat Big Ben in under a minute. Makes me really wonder how much John jones relied on steroids. I think D.C. Is banking on this and he might be right. jones had a subpar performances trying to get that stuff out of his system. I remember when he beat Sonnen Sonnen said Jones felt like he had the strength of a bear.

Shagdogy · 05-14-17, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by Shagdogy

Jotko 3u, -161
Benitez 3u, -145
Maia 2u, -105
Adrade 2u, +150
Poirier 2u, -140
Edgar 1u, -135
JDS 1u, +121

Don't love all the lines I got but feel good about the plays. Should be a great card and looks like we will all be rooting together on a bunch.

Card Total: 2-4 (1 NC), -6.36u
2017 YTD: 40-26, +15.82u

Not a good night, but looking back on this card I don't feel all THAT bad. I completely whiffed on the two title fights. I was dead on with Edgar and Maia. And Jotko, Benitez, Poirier were three close fights, none of which went my way, that could've swung the whole night.

Jotko fought his worst fight in years and only lost a split decision. Benitez cracked Barzola with hard shots all throughout the first round and could've stolen it at the end if the fight was 10 seconds longer. And Poirier, well, that should've been a win for Poirier backers. But even if those strikes never happened, he was fighting pretty well and had a shot at winning. Those three really swing it for me but I don't feel like I was way off. On to the next one.

slikec · 05-14-17, 05:20 PM

I am sad i didnt bet more on Edgar since he didnt get much love here which surprised me. Was really easy win he should be -250 at least

JIBBBY · 05-14-17, 05:27 PM

^^^Frankie Edgar really put a beat down on Yair..

Frankie hasn't lost a step, still fighting at a very high level... His wrestling made the difference in that fight.. Or Yair's inability to get bad to his feet once taken down.. Didn't see alot of effort from Yair once he was taken down.. Just was good taking Frankie edgar elbows to his face

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Thor4140 · 05-14-17, 08:43 PM

I see Franki getting one more shot at the title and that is against Hollaway when he beats and Aldo who is now a point fighter since getting waxed by McGregor. I can't see Max losing the fight unless it goes five and they rob him. He will force Aldo to fight which i just don't think Edgar can do because of his size. A Max/ Edgar fight will be a war. I really would like to see a Franky/Dillashaw fight or even with Cody.

bjpenn85 · 05-15-17, 12:35 AM

Originally posted by Shagdogy

Card Total: 2-4 (1 NC), -6.36u
2017 YTD: 40-26, +15.82u

Not a good night, but looking back on this card I don't feel all THAT bad. I completely whiffed on the two title fights. I was dead on with Edgar and Maia. And Jotko, Benitez, Poirier were three close fights, none of which went my way, that could've swung the whole night.

Its way better to try to understand why you loose, instead of making excuses. Heres how i would have broken down your results:

Jotko fought his worst fight in years and only lost a split decision. Benitez cracked Barzola with hard shots all throughout the first round and could've stolen it at the end if the fight was 10 seconds longer. And Poirier, well, that should've been a win for Poirier backers. But even if those strikes never happened, he was fighting pretty well and had a shot at winning. Those three really swing it for me but I don't feel like I was way off. On to the next one.

This is my breakdown:

- Jotko, too much risk, no edge at the line of -150-170, Although you won, on this bet, it was too close in the first place.
- Poirier, close fight, you had a 50/50 shot at -130, again, no edge. We all know poirier gets rocked in every fight.
- Benitez? Who? Horrible bet
- Frankie, spot on
-Maia, spot on (split dec my ass, that was at least a 29-28 on all cards)

So if you look at the fights you clearly won. Maia and Edgar, why did those fighst win you money?

- Established fighter, yes, edgar and Maia is absolutely established fighter.
- You have seen fighters win and loose, know the fighters weaknesses and strength<-- now this point is critical, why?
Well both youre benitez and jotko fight, you didnt fully comprehend their weaknesses prefight because there were no available "data". Jotko has more or less only won in the ufc. Same with benitez. Both Jotko and Benitez have only one loss in the ufc, and those were rather quick. How could you REALLY know what was their real weaknesses? Still you bet on them, thats a major fault in my opinion.
- Top level fighter, yes, edgaar and Maia is absolutely at the very top.
- Has a significant edge in at least one area, yeah, both frankie and maia had significant edges on the ground, and didnt hesitate to put the fight where they did have that edge.

Only one mans crazy opinions though....

firekillex · 05-15-17, 01:35 AM

hindsight is 20/20
people saying fixed fights, steroids all this stuff JDS literally has the exact same body as he did before and looked amazing in his pre fight workouts lol... Stipe is just a better fighter it wasnt the hardest wager, they fought once before and it was a 50/50 fight where both guys took a ton of damage, JDS has taken incredible amounts of damage in his career already and he hasnt improved greatly since he fought Miocic where Stipe has made big strides in skill and took barely any damage since plus coming in with huge momentum..... -130 was a big time steal , its a heavyweight scrap, nobody is fixing fights at that level lol you could even be a worse skilled heavyweight and win when youre that big and land a shot you can get a win

and i agree maia shouldve got a unanimous , but he took more damage and judging is changing , scoring round 1 for masvidal is crazy though

JIBBBY · 05-15-17, 01:55 AM

Looking over my bet night now... Well I gotta say I lost more fights then I won on this card which I hate to do but that Demian win really secured the card win.. Walked away with a small profit over all which I'm not gonna complain about.. Those Yair and JDS losses really kicked my ass in regards to having a big night....

Ok looking ahead -

Gotta give Maia that title shot now. He earned it!!!!!

Ok now he sure struggled to get Masvidal down as his single leg grabs and take down attempts weren't really working.. Surely won't get any easier with T-wood that's for sure. Masvidal stuffed a bunch of those take downs, Maia was lucky to sneak out that decision win. Did just enough top control to win on points.

Against Woodley he better have the fight of his life.. Gonna take a monster effort to beat T-wood in a 5 rounder and get him down.. Maia can't juice for this fight either..

Gonna be a really tough match up... Hard for me to play Maia in that match up.. Will hedge my asss off if I do and maybe with the T-wood KO prop probably..

bjpenn85 · 05-15-17, 02:07 AM

Originally posted by firekillex

hindsight is 20/20
people saying fixed fights, steroids all this stuff JDS literally has the exact same body as he did before and looked amazing in his pre fight workouts lol... Stipe is just a better fighter it wasnt the hardest wager, they fought once before and it was a 50/50 fight where both guys took a ton of damage, JDS has taken incredible amounts of damage in his career already and he hasnt improved greatly since he fought Miocic where Stipe has made big strides in skill and took barely any damage since plus coming in with huge momentum..... -130 was a big time steal , its a heavyweight scrap, nobody is fixing fights at that level lol you could even be a worse skilled heavyweight and win when youre that big and land a shot you can get a win

and i agree maia shouldve got a unanimous , but he took more damage and judging is changing , scoring round 1 for masvidal is crazy though

Its important to evaluate both wins and losses. Its absolutely not about bragging rights or showing off. I like shag, think he is a good better. One of the guys i listen to when he write stuff.

I think the one judge gave him 2 and 3.round, no?

JDS showed some glimps of being a shot fighter, i choose to not bet him for that reason alone. But i also thought that miocic wins three last fight in one round...thats a fact, its kind of hard to bet against that. But people really liked JDS and from a style points of view it was the correct side. If it wasnt for JDS bad chin...

JIBBBY · 05-15-17, 02:29 AM

Michael Bisbing talking betting and parlays for this card.. Not bad either for his picks but he doesn't know anything about parlays lol...

Worth a listen I think that's why I'm posting.. Bisbing went tout by the way and has a website..

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JIBBBY · 05-15-17, 02:43 AM

Masvidal the person in this vid.. He's hard..

Becareful what you wish for though Masvidal calling out Maia, that back fired...

Another good vid forwarded to me from an MMA friend... Thought to share..

firekillex · 05-15-17, 12:14 PM

Huge bet on Woodley if he's anything -200 or under vs Maia
worst matchup possible for Demian

Sanity Check · 05-15-17, 12:21 PM

Tyron Woodley went for 1 takedown against Wonderboy in their last fight.

After the takedown, Woodley was gased & had to take a break to recover.

I think Demian Maia could beat Woodley.

Maia is more efficient, he's better at wrestling/grappling without expending a ton of energy.

JIBBBY · 05-15-17, 12:37 PM

I just don't think T-wood can be taken down and kept down.. Too fast, to strong, to explosive, to good a wrestling base..

If those Maia take down attempts fail early on then he would have to stand and box with Woodley round after round, I think we all know how that outcome would probably play out in the end..

I'm thinking Woodley by KO or Decision if he doesn't gas out and get taken down.. Maia isn't a cardio machine himself..

firekillex · 05-15-17, 12:45 PM

why would woodleys offensive wrestling have anything to do with a matchup vs Maia???
all he would do is stuff 3-4 takedowns in a row then knock him out , i think it would be an easy round 1-2 ko imo

Woodleys only trouble will be is he likes to back up into the cage so he can land power shots , but against a grappler hell have to stay around the middle of the cage and keep the spacing , i think he would stuff maias shot with ease imo, way to short and strong itll be like shooting a double leg into a brick wall.... and he has huge power in his punches i think itll be light work imo, Maia wouldve had a better shot against Wonderboy since hes longer and he couldve landed a takedown possibly

praying woodley will be -200 or under because public hates him and everybody loves Maia

Pinoy-T-X · 05-15-17, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

I just don't think T-wood can be taken down and kept down.. Too fast, to strong, to explosive, to good a wrestling base..

If those Maia take down attempts fail early on then he would have to stand and box with Woodley round after round, I think we all know how that outcome would probably play out in the end..

I'm thinking Woodley by KO or Decision if he doesn't gas out and get taken down.. Maia isn't a cardio machine himself..

Good point

Thor4140 · 05-15-17, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by firekillex

hindsight is 20/20
people saying fixed fights, steroids all this stuff JDS literally has the exact same body as he did before and looked amazing in his pre fight workouts lol... Stipe is just a better fighter it wasnt the hardest wager, they fought once before and it was a 50/50 fight where both guys took a ton of damage, JDS has taken incredible amounts of damage in his career already and he hasnt improved greatly since he fought Miocic where Stipe has made big strides in skill and took barely any damage since plus coming in with huge momentum..... -130 was a big time steal , its a heavyweight scrap, nobody is fixing fights at that level lol you could even be a worse skilled heavyweight and win when youre that big and land a shot you can get a win

and i agree maia shouldve got a unanimous , but he took more damage and judging is changing , scoring round 1 for masvidal is crazy though

He doesn't have the same body. His chest is half the size its just his head that is still big. He has the same body like Shogun has his and Vitor has his. Plus JD on Roids was a very confident striker and now he is a lot more hesitant. Just like Vitor. It is amazing when u take these steroids out of these guys how that ball's to the wall aggression just isn't there anymore and that is a result of them being off steroids plain and simple. Everyone thinks Stripe has improved like a completely different fighter. Yes he has improved but the reason he was dominate is because he knew the other guy wasn't half the guy he fought in that fight and u can bet DC is going on that same theme. I love Jones as a fighter but no freaking way would i put a penny on him in this next go around now that he has to be clean. I might even throw a few dollars on DC. As for Stripe being so so much better let me tell ya something. He is susceptible to a left hook and again that punch was open all round for JDS but when u are fighting scared when a guy cracks ya, instead of going balls to the wall when u get cracked, it is a whole new ball game. JDS was a killer on steroids and now he is just another heavyweight