Bellator 101

[Luca Fury]

I'm sure your attorney must love you. He is charging you what $200 an hour to go after someone for $50 in damages? What a joke! Even if he shared it to 10 people that's a whopping $500. Save your time and money Luca let it go you will not wind up any better going after those people.

I'm sure the guys lawyer would love to see all of Luca's post. Your honor the plaintiff is making claims that he "can do a wide variety of things" to my client because he has his "PayPal account info, home address, and email address". Luca is now dumber than we all thought.

What does a lawyer have to do with any of this, exactly?

[21jumpstreet]

So you're telling me if you waltzed into a liquor store and gave them your license, then robbed them, you wouldn't expect them to use the info on your license to make sure justice is applied to you? How dumb are you?



If you're a legit customer you have nothing to fear.

But if you're buying our plays with the intent to fukk us over, then you can expect consequences.

Serious question....Couldn't the person simply say that they were also his picks or his neighbors picks or the dog told him the same picks? How can you prove those were "your' picks? That would be like me saying my pick is the Seahawks to win the Superbowl. Then I go sue everyone who tells everyone that is my pick. Just seems far fetched. I do not think there has been a single case of a tout winning or even going to court over someone leaking his "picks". Good luck.

[PunisherIND]

To be fair, he did tell the guy to stay out of his territory.

not sure if this is serious.

[MD]

What does a lawyer have to do with any of this, exactly?

[Luca Fury]

lol he wouldnt even have $50 in actual damages. just speculative. no way to prove that the people getting the info would have purchased the service.

but i think luca realizes this, which is why he implied retribution outside the bounds of the law.

No I didn't. Having the dude's personal info ensures that we can prevent him from ever leaking our picks again.

who tenders their personal identification before committing a robbery?

The guy in question did. Yeah, apparently he's that dumb. gives us all his personal info then screws us over. Not smart.

[NunyaBidness]

Oh, and if you truly think I'm powerless Nunya, I have this dude's name, home address, PayPal account info and email addresses since he bought picks from us. That info comes in very handy for a wide variety of things.

And this is coming from the guy who just a few hours ago was claiming he was NOT engaged in a scummy business, and tried to take the moral highground.

I've never seen anyone stick their foot so far in their mouth as you.

One of the things I do as a poker player is try to annoy other players, so they go on tilt and start making mistakes, getting angry and even. He who tilts least wins.

Remember when you said you'd be an awesome poker player? Don't count on it.

[NunyaBidness]

Serious question....Couldn't the person simply say that they were also his picks or his neighbors picks or the dog told him the same picks? How can you prove those were "your' picks? That would be like me saying my pick is the Seahawks to win the Superbowl. Then I go sue everyone who tells everyone that is my pick. Just seems far fetched. I do not think there has been a single case of a tout winning or even going to court over someone leaking his "picks". Good luck.

And look at a guy like RAS, who actually shows up in his picks threads in the service plays and answers questions. Always polite, even though people treat him like shit. That's how you run a business.

[Luca Fury]

Serious question....Couldn't the person simply say that they were also his picks or his neighbors picks or the dog told him the same picks? How can you prove those were "your' picks? That would be like me saying my pick is the Seahawks to win the Superbowl. Then I go sue everyone who tells everyone that is my pick. Just seems far fetched. I do not think there has been a single case of a tout winning or even going to court over someone leaking his "picks". Good luck.

Uh, maybe because this guy goes around explicitly telling everyone that these are my picks and he is leaking them? Maybe that's why? Just maybe?

Not that it matters. This has nothing to do with a court of law. Sharing picks isn't against the law. It is against PayPal's terms of service, though, so I could file a report with them and have him banned from there. He'll just make a new one and buy them from that one, though, so that's why having his info helps with that among other things.

[Educ8d Degener8]

And look at a guy like RAS, who actually shows up in his picks threads in the service plays and answers questions. Always polite, even though people treat him like shit. That's how you run a business.

I don't know who RAS is, but this is why I recommended a popular sales book to Luca... Any dipwad can advertise or market his or her "service" in a generic way.... Actually showing people you have a value-add is the way to go if you desire longevity.

[NunyaBidness]

Uh, maybe because this guy goes around explicitly telling everyone that these are my picks and he is leaking them? Maybe that's why? Just maybe?

Not that it matters. This has nothing to do with a court of law. Sharing picks isn't against the law. It is against PayPal's terms of service, though, so I could file a report with them and have him banned from there. He'll just make a new one and buy them from that one, though, so that's why having his info helps with that among other things.

Please post the part of Paypal's terms of service where you can't share illegal gambling picks?

[Luca Fury]

And this is coming from the guy who just a few hours ago was claiming he was NOT engaged in a scummy business, and tried to take the moral highground.

I've never seen anyone stick their foot so far in their mouth as you.

One of the things I do as a poker player is try to annoy other players, so they go on tilt and start making mistakes, getting angry and even. He who tilts least wins.

Cool, you just found a way to write 4 sentences yet say nothing. Making sure someone can no longer steal from my business has nothing to do with a business being scummy or not.

Hilarious how I say his personal info is important to make sure he can't steal from us anyone and you try to spin as if I'm saying we're going to hunt him down and feed him to crocodiles or some shit. The way you spin the facts and stretch the truth is truly amusing.

You're a textbook hater who is so jealous and hateful that when there is nothing to hate on, you just make shit up. It's so funny.

And look at a guy like RAS, who actually shows up in his picks threads in the service plays and answers questions. Always polite, even though people treat him like shit. That's how you run a business.

I know what RAS does and he isn't polite to the people who bash him nonstop for no reason and spread lies about him. He's nice to rest of the people, so am I. There is no difference there. I'm nice to everyone unless they are an asshole tome for no reason.

[rosietop]

wow Im actually surprised that people actually pay money to see someones picks and leak them. I didint realise mma gambling was such a big deal, it was always about the fun to me.

[21jumpstreet]

And this is coming from the guy who just a few hours ago was claiming he was NOT engaged in a scummy business, and tried to take the moral highground.

I've never seen anyone stick their foot so far in their mouth as you.

One of the things I do as a poker player is try to annoy other players, so they go on tilt and start making mistakes, getting angry and even. He who tilts least wins.

Remember when you said you'd be an awesome poker player? Don't count on it.

Exactly what I was thinking. I assumed Luca meant he would deal with them the legal way. My bad I forgot rule #1 that most touts are scum. And your right about RAS maybe the only standup one out there. RAS plays are posted weekly, but he knows most people getting it here would never pay the $1500 to begin with. I don't get why Luca would cut off a guy who was giving the picks away. To me he is losing a customer. The people he was giving it to most likely would not purchase it on their own anyways. So instead of 1 sale he has 0. Most people who purchase picks are going to go in with a few buddies and split the cost. For $50 it seems like a lot of work and headache to "teach a guy a lesson".

[PunisherIND]

Uh, maybe because this guy goes around explicitly telling everyone that these are my picks and he is leaking them? Maybe that's why? Just maybe?

Not that it matters. This has nothing to do with a court of law. Sharing picks isn't against the law. It is against PayPal's terms of service, though, so I could file a report with them and have him banned from there. He'll just make a new one and buy them from that one, though, so that's why having his info helps with that among other things.

is this accurate? not saying that its not, but i would be shocked if paypal had a TOS on "sharing picks".

[Luca Fury]

Please post the part of Paypal's terms of service where you can't share illegal gambling picks?

There is a long part of their terms of service that discussing purchase items and services. In it, is an area which outlines how business will be banned if they rip off customers in a variety of ways, as well as how they will ban the customer if they do the same. They go into much more detail than I am willing to, so why don't you go and read it yourself?

[21jumpstreet]

There is a long part of their terms of service that discussing purchase items and services. In it, is an area which outlines how business will be banned if they rip off customers in a variety of ways, as well as how they will ban the customer if they do the same. They go into much more detail than I am willing to, so why don't you go and read it yourself?

And your going to tell Paypal. "I sold this guy some MMA picks and he went and told everyone"? I wonder what the heck Paypal would say.

[Luca Fury]

Exactly what I was thinking. I assumed Luca meant he would deal with them the legal way. My bad I forgot rule #1 that most touts are scum. And your right about RAS maybe the only standup one out there. RAS plays are posted weekly, but he knows most people getting it here would never pay the $1500 to begin with. I don't get why Luca would cut off a guy who was giving the picks away. To me he is losing a customer. The people he was giving it to most likely would not purchase it on their own anyways. So instead of 1 sale he has 0. Most people who purchase picks are going to go in with a few buddies and split the cost. For $50 it seems like a lot of work and headache to "teach a guy a lesson".

There are so many illogical points made in this post that I'm not even going to bother pointing out why they make no sense.

[Luca Fury]

And your going to tell Paypal. "I sold this guy some MMA picks and he went and told everyone"? I wonder what the heck Paypal would say.

No, I said I won't because that wouldn't stop him anyway. I do have proof like screengrabs and other things that prove he did so, though.

[21jumpstreet]

There are so many illogical points made in this post that I'm not even going to bother pointing out why they make no sense.

Yes, because you obviously do not understand business. When people return shit at Costco after using it, do you think Costco doesn't know they are getting abused?! It is called taking care of the customer.

[Luca Fury]

I'd just like to point out how the morons on here try to say I suck blah, blah despite all the PROOF that says otherwise, yet all they do is go on and on about me in every thread.

I mean, it's obvious that Nunya doesn't know his head from his ass, so why would I go in every thread pointing this out? Same for Pelz or whatever his name is. What would be the point?

Yet these clowns mention me nonstop and bash me for no reason whether I'm in a thread or not. I'm on their mind all day apparently. Pretty sad.

[NunyaBidness]

Yes, because you obviously do not understand business. When people return shit at Costco after using it, do you think Costco doesn't know they are getting abused?! It is called taking care of the customer.

No dude, that's why CostCo asks for your ID when you return things. They've got your name and address and CC number. If you penetrate with CostCo, COSTCO penetrates WITH YOU!

[NunyaBidness]

I'd just like to point out how the morons on here try to say I suck blah, blah despite all the PROOF that says otherwise, yet all they do is go on and on about me in every thread.

I mean, it's obvious that Nunya doesn't know his head from his ass, so why would I go in every thread pointing this out? Same for Pelz or whatever his name is. What would be the point?

Yet these clowns mention me nonstop and bash me for no reason whether I'm in a thread or not. I'm on their mind all day apparently. Pretty sad.

When Kalikas fires you is Momma gonna take you back?

[PunisherIND]

There is a long part of their terms of service that discussing purchase items and services. In it, is an area which outlines how business will be banned if they rip off customers in a variety of ways, as well as how they will ban the customer if they do the same. They go into much more detail than I am willing to, so why don't you go and read it yourself?

is it this: It is PayPal’s policy to take appropriate action where necessary to remove from the PayPal services or to disallow the use of PayPal services in connection with material that is claimed to be infringing. If you are an intellectual property rights owner and you believe a website or a webpage using PayPal services sells, offers for sale, makes available goods and/or services or otherwise includes content or materials that infringe your intellectual property rights, then please complete this Infringement Report in its entirety and fax it to 1-402-537-5774 or email it to infringementreport@paypal.com.

you're not covered. as far as i'm aware, you're accusing an individual, not a website or webpage. but more importantly, your dont have intellectual property rights on your picks.

[Luca Fury]

Yes, because you obviously do not understand business. When people return shit at Costco after using it, do you think Costco doesn't know they are getting abused?! It is called taking care of the customer.

That is one of the worst analogies I've ever heard.

You think when a customer walks out the door with a TV in their hand that they didn't pay for, Costo just knowingly let's them walk out? No, they arrest them.

THAT'S an analogy that actually makes sense for this situation.

[Luca Fury]

When Kalikas fires you is Momma gonna take you back?

Yeah, he's going to fire from the service that I created and run.

The service that the vast majority of clients signed up for because of me according to polls.

The service that is promoted solely by me.

The service that sells bets which are mostly mine.

How exactly would he fire me? I'd love to know how that would work.

[NunyaBidness]

you're not covered. as far as i'm aware, you're accusing an individual, not a website or webpage. but more importantly, your dont have intellectual property rights on your picks.

Can't wait for him to reply, and tell a lawyer that he knows more about the law than he does.

[Luca Fury]

is it this: It is PayPal’s policy to take appropriate action where necessary to remove from the PayPal services or to disallow the use of PayPal services in connection with material that is claimed to be infringing. If you are an intellectual property rights owner and you believe a website or a webpage using PayPal services sells, offers for sale, makes available goods and/or services or otherwise includes content or materials that infringe your intellectual property rights, then please complete this Infringement Report in its entirety and fax it to 1-402-537-5774 or email it to infringementreport@paypal.com.

you're not covered. as far as i'm aware, you're accusing an individual, not a website or webpage. but more importantly, your dont have intellectual property rights on your picks.

No that''s not it. That covers someone else stealing your IP and selling it for themselves using PayPal. That's entirely different.

Can't wait for him to reply, and tell a lawyer that he knows more about the law than he does.

You are seriously so dumb. I can't believe how much so. You just keeping makign yourself look dumber and dumber.

That's a completely different topic altogether in that section from the PayPal TOS. But hey, because it's a completely different topic, let's just pretend that means that the other topic isn't covered at all anywhere.

That's like going up and looking up the laws regarding assault and saying that since that specific section doesn't cover theft, you can now steal anything you want because theft is legal LOL…

[21jumpstreet]

Yeah, he's going to fire from the service that I created and run.

The service that the vast majority of clients signed up for because of me according to polls.

The service that is promoted solely by me.

The service that sells bets which are mostly mine.

How exactly would he fire me? I'd love to know how that would work.

But wait you didn't answer the part if momma was going to take you back.

[PunisherIND]

No that''s not it. That covers someone else stealing your IP and selling ti for themselves using PayPal. That's entirely different.

is it this one

Prohibited Activities

You may not use the PayPal service for activities that:

6. involve gambling, gaming and/or any other activity with an entry fee and a prize, including, but not limited to casino games, sports betting, horse or greyhound racing, lottery tickets, other ventures that facilitate gambling, games of skill (whether or not it is legally defined as a lottery) and sweepstakes

[PunisherIND]

[21jumpstreet]

is it this one

Prohibited Activities

You may not use the PayPal service for activities that:

6. involve gambling, gaming and/or any other activity with an entry fee and a prize, including, but not limited to casino games, sports betting, horse or greyhound racing, lottery tickets, other ventures that facilitate gambling, games of skill (whether or not it is legally defined as a lottery) and sweepstakes

[NunyaBidness]

You are seriously so dumb. I can't believe how much so. You just keeping makign yourself look dumber and dumber.

From a guy who THREATENS his customers on a PUBLIC message board under his REAL name, I'll take that as a compliment.

[Luca Fury]

is it this one

Prohibited Activities

You may not use the PayPal service for activities that:

6. involve gambling, gaming and/or any other activity with an entry fee and a prize, including, but not limited to casino games, sports betting, horse or greyhound racing, lottery tickets, other ventures that facilitate gambling, games of skill (whether or not it is legally defined as a lottery) and sweepstakes

And???

It would be against the rules to take wagers ourselves and make bets with people and then make the transactions through paypal. Selling advice for other people to make wagers on elsewhere is NOT against the rules. We already looked into this and discussed it with PayPal.

See above. I'm the one laughing. Your stupidity is comical.

[NunyaBidness]

Did you ever wonder when digging this grave for yourself if there was a point when you should say, "Nah, that's deep enough."

[Luca Fury]

From a guy who THREATENS his customers on a PUBLIC message board under his REAL name, I'll take that as a compliment.

Yeah, because knowing my name will allow you to do SO much to me. Guess what? I know Dana White's name. Will that allwo me to do a god damn thing to him? Nope.

Once again, you prove how stupid you are every time you open your mouth.

Did you ever wonder when digging this grave for yourself if there was a point when you should say, "Nah, that's deep enough."

Yeah, easily disproving every lie you make about me is REALLY digging me own grave.