Bellator 101

[Luca Fury]

Goddamn you're dumb.

You state you're not moving the goalposts, and then move them again by the end of your paragraph.

I am only arguing about whether or not your "service" has a conflict of interests. Whether you are winning or losing has no bearing.

You can't really be this feeble-minded? Are you playing dumb just so you don't have to own up to it? It seems the easier ploy would be to simply drop out of the argument. Conclusion, you must be a knuckle-dragging mouthbreather.

Are YOU dumb? Proving that the books aren't hurt by our bets and that the people who tail them aren't hurt either, proves that any conflict of interest angle you want to try and use is a non issue. In other words, it's more proof that you grasping at straws with this nonsense is laughable.

Luca if your paid premium members make up such a small percentage of people who gamble then why do your premium bets always move lines so much??? take for example the thales leitis line, tim boetsch, etc so many more...

Surely you could use this to your advantage if you wanted to...

Because the books move the lines based on sharp action. We bet the lines shortly after we release them, then the books move the lines because they know we're sharp and respect our opinions enough to move the lines.

Even if we didn't give the bets out, the lines would still move. We don't give out every bet we make, yet after we bet the ones we kept secret, they still move the lines a good amount.

Bah bah bum!

Good job embarrasisng yourself more. You claim to know everything about gambling and how the books work yet don't even know the books move lines based on sharp action. Add on that how you think the oddsmakers set lines based on exactly how they think he line should be. You seem pretty clueless about how books operate.

[cheeese]

We don't give out every bet we make, yet after we bet the ones we kept secret, they still move the lines a good amount.

Why are your paying customers only entitled to a fraction of your actual bets?

[Luca Fury]

Why are your paying customers only entitled to a fraction of your actual bets?

There are some bets that are last minute adds or longshots that aren't worth giving out. Usually these are on cards that we didn't sell picks for anyway, so no one is paying for only some of our plays and missing out. I still give out the vast majority of my MMA plays but not all of them.

[Educ8d Degener8]

Where is this proven track record of Luca documented in a substantiated manner? Just curious.

Srs question.

[Luca Fury]

Where is this proven track record of Luca documented in a substantiated manner? Just curious.

Srs question.

It's on our site. I can't link to the site, though, since it's against SBR rules. Other people can, though.

It has full bet-by-bet documentation including unit size and betting lines. Also has stats for win %, units won/lost and ROI.

And if there is any suspicion that we add in bets retroactively, the free bets are all given out on multiple mediums beforehand for everyone to see and there are people on here who tail the premium plays, like Nunya, who can verify them as well.

Speaking of which, notice how Nunya suddenly went missing when I asked why he tails my bets yet bashes me? Haha, he's makign it easy for you guys to see what a hypocrite he is.

[mirinquads]

It's on our site. I can't link to the site, though, since it's against SBR rules. Other people can, though.

It has full bet-by-bet documentation including unit size and betting lines. Also has stats for win %, units won/lost and ROI.

[MD]

Speaking of which, notice how Nunya suddenly went missing when I asked why he tails my bets yet bashes me? Haha, he's makign it easy for you guys to see what a hypocrite he is.

Dunno where you're getting your info from, but I highly doubt he tails you. He does his own work.

[Luca Fury]

Dunno where you're getting your info from, but I highly doubt he tails you. He does his own work.

He does, trust me

Great counter-point! Those 3 emoticons completely disproved everything I said……………

[MD]

He does, trust me

What's your source?

[Luca Fury]

What's your source?

Yeah, it would be very smart of me if I just outed them right here and guaranteed that I never get any info from them again. C'mon, MD, you know I'm not going to say.

[MD]

Yeah, it would be very smart of me if I just outed them right here and guaranteed that I never get any info from them again. C'mon, MD, you know I'm not going to say.

Then why make that accusation publicly?

[Luca Fury]

Then why make that accusation publicly?

Since when is sharing your source required when you share info? 99.9% of news is reported with anonymous sources.

Besides, if i started sharing my sources for every bit of info I get regarding SBR, you wouldn't like that.

[MD]

Since when is sharing your source required when you share info? 99.9% of news is reported with anonymous sources.

Besides, if i started sharing my sources for every bit of info I get regarding SBR, you wouldn't like that.

This isn't "news", it's an accusation. There's a big difference.

I wouldn't really care if you shared your sources. You say that as if I'm "leaking you SBR secrets". I didn't even tell you who was leaking me the premium plays.

[Luca Fury]

This isn't "news", it's an accusation. There's a big difference.

I wouldn't really care if you shared your sources. You say that as if I'm "leaking you SBR secrets". I didn't even tell you who was leaking me the premium plays.

Yes, it's not news, but that doesn't matter. It's the same circumstances.

[Noleafclover]

So because point out a bare bones fact of how favorites did the last 2 events, without adding any opinion to it, that means I'm saying you should bet favorites every card? Jesus christ, where do you people come up with this stuff?

All I did was point out an interesting stat and you jump on me, amazing.

If I tell you the earth is round, another bare bones fact with no opinion involved, you will find some way to bash me for that too.

I hate it when people pull this shit. But telling people the earth is round is a good comparison, since it's also a banality. Either a) by saying favorites were winning, you were trying to imply that this should have betting implications, in which case we need to talk; or b) you were making a useless observation.

This is why people shouldn't post this shit in the first place. Obviously people aren't going to assume you were attempting to make a useless observation, but maybe if you feel so inclined to point out shit that essentially is about as useful as the color of fighters' shorts, you should preface it with "I like to hear myself talk, so here's this."

[PunisherIND]

This isn't "news", it's an accusation. There's a big difference.

I wouldn't really care if you shared your sources. You say that as if I'm "leaking you SBR secrets". I didn't even tell you who was leaking me the premium plays.

what prompted you to do this?

[MD]

what prompted you to do this?

? Do what? Tell him that I was getting the premium plays? He already knows that his plays get leaked.

Unless you misread that, in which case I said that I did not tell him who was giving me the plays when he asked.

[PunisherIND]

? Do what? Tell him that I was getting the premium plays? He already knows that his plays get leaked.

Unless you misread that, in which case I said that I did not tell him who was giving me the plays when he asked.

dont understand why you'd share that info. what good does it do for you?

and how would he know that his plays get leaked unless someone tells him? sure, he may suspect that it gets leaked since its in the nature of selling picks, but he wouldn't know for certain unless someone confirmed it.

[NunyaBidness]

Yeah, it would be very smart of me if I just outed them right here and guaranteed that I never get any info from them again. C'mon, MD, you know I'm not going to say.

Haha, your source is leaking my plays. Too funny. Hope you're getting all of them. 138 bets today over 9 books.



Guess I'll have to sue that lawyer for breaking Attorney-Client confidentiality.

[NunyaBidness]

dont understand why you'd share that info. what good does it do for you?

Exactly. You'd think a poker player would understand how best to play a game of closed information.

Sounds like money isn't your ultimate goal here, MD.

Guess that's the difference between me and everyone else here.

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[MD]

dont understand why you'd share that info. what good does it do for you?

and how would he know that his plays get leaked unless someone tells him? sure, he may suspect that it gets leaked since its in the nature of selling picks, but he wouldn't know for certain unless someone confirmed it.

I didn't share any info. He already knew that his plays were getting leaked, even had a suspect. As for how he'd know, beats me. He knew before we even spoke about it. I'm sure he can confirm that. Don't want to go into specifics because it was a private conversation.

[Luca Fury]

I didn't share any info. He already knew that his plays were getting leaked, even had a suspect. As for how he'd know, beats me. He knew before we even spoke about it. I'm sure he can confirm that. Don't want to go into specifics because it was a private conversation.

I can confirm this. MD didn't tell me that my plays were being leaked privately here, someone else already did. 2 people, in fact. I already told this to MD and he just mentioned how he was one of the people who sees them get leaked. He didn't spill any beans.

I don't need him to tell me who it is anyway. The person who has been doing it will be in for a rude wakening soon enough. They weren't very careful at covering their tracks.

And if they think they are protected since their SBR username or one of their email addresses isn't enough to match them to their real name on the receipt, they're right. That IS useless, but luckily knowing it gave us all we needed to find other info.

As now now, I'm letting them leak the plays all they want. Our bets are killing it and they're giving us free promotion so I let it slide. But soon enough they'll be punished.

I know a lot about many of you guys, in fact. You should be grateful I'm not an aggressive, hateful prick like some of you. I see some of you lying nonstop but don't say anything if it doesn't relate to me. It's funny, several of you all try to put on a mask and make yourselves look like different people altogether on here and I could post the proof if I wanted to. Bunch of frauds and liars on here trying to make themselves look good to other frauds and liars. Great society, pfft……

[NunyaBidness]

I can confirm this. MD didn't tell me that my plays were being leaked privately here, someone else already did. 2 people, in fact. I already told this to MD and he just mentioned how he was one of the people who sees them get leaked. He didn't spill any beans.

I don't need him to tell me who it is anyway. The person who has been doing it will be in for a rude wakening soon enough. They weren't very careful at covering their tracks.

And if they think they are protected since their SBR username or one of their email addresses isn't enough to match them to their real name on the receipt, they're right. That IS useless, but luckily knowing it gave us all we needed to find other info.

As now now, I'm letting them leak the plays all they want. Our bets are killing it and they're giving us free promotion so I let it slide. But soon enough they'll be punished.

Heh, there's nothing you can do.

Picks are not copyrightable information, and you run a business thats on shaky legal ground.

Please, please, please sue this person. I'd be happy to pay for their defense.

Unless its Gabe, I like him too much. I always assumed it was Gabe though.

[Luca Fury]

Heh, there's nothing you can do.

Picks are not copyrightable information, and you run a business thats on shaky legal ground.

Please, please, please sue this person. I'd be happy to pay for their defense.

Only you with your horrible tendency to jump the the most absurd conclusions would think I was insinuating that I was going to sue him, LOL…

Every time you've opened your mouth here, you've done nothing other than prove how ignorant and clueless you are. Why don't you go back to claiming you're a top poker player and sports bettor… yet doesn't even know how oddsmakers set lines or what causes them to move LOL… I'm sure you have a super model wife and own your island too.

[Luca Fury]

Oh, and if you truly think I'm powerless Nunya, I have this dude's name, home address, PayPal account info and email addresses since he bought picks from us. That info comes in very handy for a wide variety of things.

Not to mention, we can just start making it so this guy gets different bets from the regular client base. Purposely make it so the page for him says we bet big on the opposite sides of all our plays so he and all the people he leaks them to get crushed. There are lots of ways to make sure he is punished. But for now he's unintentionally helping us so hopefully he keeps it up.

And since I'm sure after we deal with him, someone else will just start leaking them to the same group of people, we'll just deal with that guy the same way. And soon enough we will have the issue resolved so people can't log in using the same account from multiple locations, so simple username/password sharing won't work either.


Like I say, an eye for an eye. You screw me over, I will screw you over right back.

[NunyaBidness]

Oh, and if you truly think I'm powerless Nunya, I have this dude's name, home address, PayPal account info and email addresses since he bought picks from us. That info comes in very handy for a wide variety of things.

Wow, is this an advertisement for your site?

We have your information and we'll use it against you? People are going to be lining up to join your site now.

You might want to rethink the things you post in public.

[MD]

Oh, and if you truly think I'm powerless Nunya, I have this dude's name, home address, PayPal account info and email addresses since he bought picks from us. That info comes in very handy for a wide variety of things.

And since I'm sure after we deal with him, someone else will just start leaking them to the same group of people, we'll just deal with that guy the same way. And soon enough we will have the issue resolved so people can't log in using the same account from multiple locations, so simple username/password sharing won't work either.

This is the most convincing argument I've yet heard for never buying your plays.

Seriously.

[21jumpstreet]

Oh, and if you truly think I'm powerless Nunya, I have this dude's name, home address, PayPal account info and email addresses since he bought picks from us. That info comes in very handy for a wide variety of things.

And since I'm sure after we deal with him, someone else will just start leaking them to the same group of people, we'll just deal with that guy the same way. And soon enough we will have the issue resolved so people can't log in using the same account from multiple locations, so simple username/password sharing won't work either.

I'm sure your attorney must love you. He is charging you what $200 an hour to go after someone for $50 in damages? What a joke! Even if he shared it to 10 people that's a whopping $500. Save your time and money Luca let it go you will not wind up any better going after those people.

[21jumpstreet]

This is the most convincing argument I've yet heard for never buying your plays.

Seriously.

I'm sure the guys lawyer would love to see all of Luca's post. Your honor the plaintiff is making claims that he "can do a wide variety of things" to my client because he has his "PayPal account info, home address, and email address". Luca is now dumber than we all thought.

[Luca Fury]

Wow, is this an advertisement for your site?

We have your information and we'll use it against you? People are going to be lining up to join your site now.

You might want to rethink the things you post in public.

So you're telling me if you waltzed into a liquor store and gave them your license, then robbed them, you wouldn't expect them to use the info on your license to make sure justice is applied to you? How dumb are you?

This is the most convincing argument I've yet heard for never buying your plays.

Seriously.

If you're a legit customer you have nothing to fear.

But if you're buying our plays with the intent to fukk us over, then you can expect consequences. It's a pretty simple concept that every business uses.

You expect me to just ignore that I have the dude's info -- which I can use to make sure he stops screwing us over -- and just let him run rampant? LOL

[PunisherIND]

I'm sure your attorney must love you. He is charging you what $200 an hour to go after someone for $50 in damages? What a joke! Even if he shared it to 10 people that's a whopping $500. Save your time and money Luca let it go you will not wind up any better going after those people.

lol he wouldnt even have $50 in actual damages. just speculative. no way to prove that the people getting the info would have purchased the service.

but i think luca realizes this, which is why he implied retribution outside the bounds of the law.

[NunyaBidness]

If Kalikas is as smart as he seems he'll distance himself from this guy immediately.

[MD]

but i think luca realizes this, which is why he implied retribution outside the bounds of the law.

To be fair, he did tell the guy to stay out of his territory.

[PunisherIND]

So you're telling me if you waltzed into a liquor store and gave them your license, then robbed them, you wouldn't expect them to use the info on your license to make sure justice is applied to you? How dumb are you?

who tenders their personal identification before committing a robbery?

[Educ8d Degener8]

This thread is awesome.

For srs though Luca - read a sales book already. Do you not realize you are further alienating yourself from potential clientele?

I don't understand how someone of such a high IQ does not process this...