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  • Beelzebubzy
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    • 06-06-11
    • 6995

    #2801
    Originally posted by MD
    Played Hunt/Werdum o1.5 -115. 3u.
    -110?
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    • MD
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 01-31-12
      • 9728

      #2802
      Originally posted by Beelzebubzy
      -110?
      All lines I give out as plays are the current 5Dimes or Pinnacle line. It's about as arbitrary as my betsizing.
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      • MD
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 01-31-12
        • 9728

        #2803
        Hey Snicklefritz, I can't reply to your PM.

        "Snicklefritz has chosen not to receive private messages or may not be allowed to receive private messages. Therefore you may not send your message to him/her."
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        • MD
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 01-31-12
          • 9728

          #2804


          If you've ever wondered what it looks like when a guy is gradually dying in a kickboxing match, here you go.

          Honestly pretty scary.
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          • Vaughany
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 03-07-10
            • 45563

            #2805
            Beyond disturbing. Have roufus sport not been held accountable for this? The ref and ringside doctor should be prosecuted for this...the level of negligence and sheer incompetency is beyond comprehension. Almost feels like a made up video as an exaggerated guide to how not to be a terrible ref/doctor/promotion
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            • Skel
              SBR MVP
              • 03-04-14
              • 1284

              #2806
              Originally posted by Vaughany
              Beyond disturbing. Have roufus sport not been held accountable for this? The ref and ringside doctor should be prosecuted for this...the level of negligence and sheer incompetency is beyond comprehension. Almost feels like a made up video as an exaggerated guide to how not to be a terrible ref/doctor/promotion
              Even worse was the lack of regard from the corner for their own fighter's safety.
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              • MD
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 01-31-12
                • 9728

                #2807
                Originally posted by Skel
                Even worse was the lack of regard from the corner for their own fighter's safety.
                Not just a lack of regard, the guy was holding his fighter in place in the corner so that he wouldn't slump over. That's a pretty disconcerting thought.
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                • Vaughany
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 03-07-10
                  • 45563

                  #2808
                  Originally posted by Skel
                  Even worse was the lack of regard from the corner for their own fighter's safety.
                  Well yes, thts Cushman who is part of duke roufus' coaching team...its shameful
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                  • Vaughany
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 03-07-10
                    • 45563

                    #2809
                    Originally posted by MD
                    Not just a lack of regard, the guy was holding his fighter in place in the corner so that he wouldn't slump over. That's a pretty disconcerting thought.
                    Yee and the 30 seconds or whatever of footage tht was cut out conviently skipping the part were Cushman was slapping Munson and trying to get him going so pretty much making him continue to fight....disconcerting to say the least
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                    • marzwoody
                      SBR MVP
                      • 01-03-14
                      • 3902

                      #2810
                      That is discraceful that nobody did there jobs and helped. it also seemed heartless that the opponent seemed to not care at all about about his opponent.

                      Also it turns out he had a medical condition.
                      Last edited by marzwoody; 11-16-14, 06:15 PM.
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                      • MD
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 01-31-12
                        • 9728

                        #2811
                        Originally posted by Vaughany
                        Yee and the 30 seconds or whatever of footage tht was cut out conviently skipping the part were Cushman was slapping Munson and trying to get him going so pretty much making him continue to fight....disconcerting to say the least
                        I tweeted at both Duke Roufus and Cushman about it. Cushman should never be allowed to coach again.

                        Cushman's twitter is @coachcush.
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                        • Vaughany
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 03-07-10
                          • 45563

                          #2812
                          Originally posted by marzwoody
                          That is discraceful that nobody did there jobs and helped. it also seemed heartless that the opponent seemed to not care at all about about his opponent.

                          Also it turns out he had a medical condition.
                          http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/wat...282478771.html
                          No doubt Roufus/Cushman's responses will be along the lines of... "He knew what he was getting in to...this is the fight business...this is what we sign up for"..and will probably use the medical condition as a reason as well and say they werent informed of this or something. The fact this happened a while ago and roufus sport have just been going along as normal with Cushman still a coach suggests tht they dont feel they are responsible and have just "chalked it off" as just being "one of those things tht unfortunately happens" once in a blue moon in the fight industry
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                          • marzwoody
                            SBR MVP
                            • 01-03-14
                            • 3902

                            #2813
                            In depth article of what happened.
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                            • MD
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 01-31-12
                              • 9728

                              #2814
                              ^ 'Cushman's body language indicated he was unhappy, "almost disgusted," said referee John McCarthy of Los Angeles."He's not understanding what is going on with his fighter," McCarthy said. "He is just disappointed in his performance."'

                              Jesus.
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                              • Vaughany
                                SBR Aristocracy
                                • 03-07-10
                                • 45563

                                #2815
                                Originally posted by MD
                                ^ 'Cushman's body language indicated he was unhappy, "almost disgusted," said referee John McCarthy of Los Angeles."He's not understanding what is going on with his fighter," McCarthy said. "He is just disappointed in his performance."'

                                Jesus.
                                Yes tht was quite obvious. He clearly couldnt give two shits about condition of his fighter, was more worried about looking like a chump
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                                • marzwoody
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 01-03-14
                                  • 3902

                                  #2816
                                  Originally posted by Vaughany
                                  No doubt Roufus/Cushman's responses will be along the lines of... "He knew what he was getting in to...this is the fight business...this is what we sign up for"..and will probably use the medical condition as a reason as well and say they werent informed of this or something. The fact this happened a while ago and roufus sport have just been going along as normal with Cushman still a coach suggests tht they dont feel they are responsible and have just "chalked it off" as just being "one of those things tht unfortunately happens" once in a blue moon in the fight industry
                                  Yeah that article i posted said they have disbanned there kickboxing team since then but it was because MMA makes more money rather then what happened. also greater emphasis on safety while cutting weight, and nutritionist for amateurs.

                                  Strange how they change things but deny any responsibility.
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                                  • MD
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 01-31-12
                                    • 9728

                                    #2817
                                    Originally posted by marzwoody
                                    Yeah that article i posted said they have disbanned there kickboxing team since then but it was because MMA makes more money rather then what happened. also greater emphasis on safety while cutting weight, and nutritionist for amateurs.

                                    Strange how they change things but deny any responsibility.
                                    Cushman still works for Roufusport as a striking coach, that tells you all you need to know.
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                                    • MD
                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                      • 01-31-12
                                      • 9728

                                      #2818


                                      Rose Namajunas (who has trained at Roufusport) also blames Cushman.
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                                      • Skel
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 03-04-14
                                        • 1284

                                        #2819
                                        via Adam Martin:

                                        I looked at the epidemic of UFC fighters sufferering an injury in training for a major fight and the statistics on major MMA Fight Camps.

                                        Team Roufusport took home the prize of the most injury prone team, with fighters withdrawing due to injury in 16.6% of their scheduled fights.
                                        Small sample size so not the most meaningful stat but still reflective of the conditions Rose describes.
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                                        • Vaughany
                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                          • 03-07-10
                                          • 45563

                                          #2820
                                          Originally posted by MD
                                          http://instagram.com/p/veokmmG5XZ/

                                          Rose Namajunas (who has trained at Roufusport) also blames Cushman.
                                          yeah, it seemed there was some animosity from her and Pat Barry towards Roufus Sport when they were interviewed on that Fox show or whatever it was recently. When the host asked her if she was annoyed about Pettis not picking her in TUF considering they used to train together she sort of just brushed it off but from Barry's face it seemed that there might be something more to it
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                                          • Vaughany
                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                            • 03-07-10
                                            • 45563

                                            #2821
                                            Originally posted by MD
                                            Cushman still works for Roufusport as a striking coach, that tells you all you need to know.
                                            yes, this is the key point here
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                                            • Vaughany
                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                              • 03-07-10
                                              • 45563

                                              #2822
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                                              • Vaughany
                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                • 03-07-10
                                                • 45563

                                                #2823

                                                Eric Schafer
                                                3

                                                Duke Roufus is a bully, a liar, and one of the worst people I have ever met. I have never been in a more toxic environment than when I was the head grappling coach and fighter at the gym. I saw teammate after teammate getting treated like shit. Guys being told to beat up lower level guys that were just trying to help out, UFC fighters being told to beat up other UFC level fighters so they would not come back, verbal abuse, violence, guys getting lied to about fights, etc. I have messages and conversations with almost everyone of his fighters from my days there; from his UFC stars to his coaching staff about how much they were mistreated. I will not out them, but they know the truth. They can tell their tales if they want.


                                                When I started there I was new to the UFC, and it was purely a kickboxing gym. I was looking to round out my game. I soon joined as the head grappling coach and we started the MMA team. You could say that I was 2nd in command at the time. I was there when Pettis walked in the door, and when Pat Barry moved to Milwaukee to switch to MMA. I have met some of my best friends there and the family was very strong, despite the captain of the ship being horrible. After seeing countless members of my "family" get screwed over, I finally called it quits after he finally betrayed me directly after being there for over 3 years. Sometimes I wish I had the strength to stand up to him at the time, but it almost feels like I was one of the kids in a family of abuse. I would rather run away than stand up to my violent dad.

                                                I left without telling anyone my plans, but I started my own gym a few months later. I never recruited anyone to follow me, but I just wanted out of the negativity. Many of the guys followed me when they found out or left eventually to other places after they got screwed. I don't claim to be a great fighter or anything, and don't care if I ever am as famous as him or his guys... but I am much more happy. Maybe I am just a pussy or something, like I am sure he will claim anyone who says anything about him, but I could care less. I was never a world champion and had my weaknesses in the cage, but I dare you to ever say I quit in the gym no matter who I was sparring. It was not the "hard" training that was bad, it was something much worse. Not every fighter was treated horribly, but I am sure that every fighter and coach from 2007 to 2010 has been screwed over at least once, whether they will admit it or not.

                                                I am happy with my young and happy gym. I have blocked him from my life. I was offered a fight on his card and told my manager that "I personally would not ever fight for him", so a when a few of my young fighters were scheduled to fight on his show (which I did not like, but he is the big local promoter), he decided to cancel their fights 2 weeks before the event. He wrote me a letter (which I kept) saying they were not welcome, because I did not respect him. I said that I actually understand that, but I wish he wouldn't have scheduled them in the first place and screwed them over. A year later the matchmaker came out and asked for forgiveness and said that we can at least have a business relationship. I said I didn't trust Duke, but the other coaches wanted our guys on the card, I reluctantly agreed. Once again, he cancelled our fights a few weeks before to spite me. Oh well...

                                                The sad thing is that this poor kid had to die before we started hearing any of these stories. What happened to this poor kid is a separate issue in my opinion...



                                                ThugRose
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                                                Thanks for speaking up red appreciate it hopefully things can change and it will save people's lives. It doesn't matter what backlash may come because it's what's right.



                                                Eric Schafer
                                                3

                                                Member Since: 1/1/01
                                                Posts: 1090
                                                I have been getting messages all day... Like people can finally tell their tale. I'm sure you'll hear more.

                                                The truth is that the gym is full of killers, and it was a great team and still is despite it being a new generation that I don't know as well. Duke IS a great coach from a technical point of view. He is also a great salesman/talker. I have no ill will toward anyone else there, and I still have a bunch of friends there. I am sure I will be threatened somehow and called a rat, but oh well...
                                                Ryan Williams
                                                39

                                                Member Since: 6/3/05
                                                Posts: 3498
                                                I was there with Red and Rose. Coached BJJ for the place. I agree with and witnessed everything they said.
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                                                • Vaughany
                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                  • 03-07-10
                                                  • 45563

                                                  #2824
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                                                  • MD
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 01-31-12
                                                    • 9728

                                                    #2825
                                                    V, I had a word with Munson's sister, and she asked me to refer her to a reporter. I got her in contact with Jeremy Botter, so hopefully we'll get to read her story in the next few days.
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                                                    • marzwoody
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 01-03-14
                                                      • 3902

                                                      #2826
                                                      Duke seems like a piece of shit. he tricked me on Rogan's podcast.
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                                                      • Vaughany
                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                        • 03-07-10
                                                        • 45563

                                                        #2827
                                                        Originally posted by MD
                                                        V, I had a word with Munson's sister, and she asked me to refer her to a reporter. I got her in contact with Jeremy Botter, so hopefully we'll get to read her story in the next few days.
                                                        nice.
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                                                        • Vaughany
                                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                                          • 03-07-10
                                                          • 45563

                                                          #2828
                                                          • Karyn Bryant@KarynBryant <small class="time" style="font-size: 13px; color: rgb(136, 153, 166); margin-right: 5px;"> 2h2 hours ago</small>
                                                            . @rosenamajunas + @HypeOrDie talk 2 me about Roufusport's coaching methods, Munson's death in this @mmaheat intv http://tinyurl.com/MunsonJr
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                                                          • Michael@TeamRocBiggie <small class="time" style="font-size: 13px; color: rgb(136, 153, 166);"> 33m33 minutes ago</small>
                                                            @KarynBryant @rosenamajunas @HypeOrDie @MMAHEAT 2 fighters that were kicked out I bet they have positive things to say vindictive
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                                                          • Rose Namajunas@rosenamajunas <small class="time" style="font-size: 13px; color: rgb(136, 153, 166);"> 31m31 minutes ago</small>
                                                            @TeamRocBiggie @KarynBryant @HypeOrDie @MMAHEAT who said I was kicked out? I left on my own.
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                                                          MichaelVerified account@TeamRocBiggie
                                                          @rosenamajunas @KarynBryant @HypeOrDie @MMAHEAT you were kicked out after punching a teammate with your bare hands after taken gloves off
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                                                          • Andrew Attebury@mmamarine0311 <small class="time" style="font-size: 13px; color: rgb(136, 153, 166);"> 25m25 minutes ago</small>
                                                            @TeamRocBiggie @rosenamajunas @KarynBryant @HypeOrDie @MMAHEAT thank you! #getthefuckoitwithyourdamabutthurtself
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                                                          • Rose Namajunas@rosenamajunas <small class="time" style="font-size: 13px; color: rgb(136, 153, 166);"> 22m22 minutes ago</small>
                                                            @TeamRocBiggie @KarynBryant @HypeOrDie @MMAHEAT nope sir incorrect I have email proof apologizing to him for leaving.
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                                                          • Rose Namajunas@rosenamajunas <small class="time" style="font-size: 13px; color: rgb(136, 153, 166);"> 20m20 minutes ago</small>
                                                            @mmamarine0311 @TeamRocBiggie @KarynBryant @HypeOrDie @MMAHEAT no one checked on me when I got hurt except for pat
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                                                          • Michael@TeamRocBiggie <small class="time" style="font-size: 13px; color: rgb(136, 153, 166);"> 19m19 minutes ago</small>
                                                            @rosenamajunas @KarynBryant @HypeOrDie @MMAHEAT and pat berry my 1st day at roufusport 1 fight Ammy he beat me up so bad I could barely walk
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                                                          • Michael@TeamRocBiggie <small class="time" style="font-size: 13px; color: rgb(136, 153, 166);"> 18m18 minutes ago</small>
                                                            @rosenamajunas @mmamarine0311 @KarynBryant @HypeOrDie @MMAHEAT but now he speaks about bullying in the gym come you guys are transparent
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                                                          • Andrew Attebury@mmamarine0311 <small class="time" style="font-size: 13px; color: rgb(136, 153, 166);"> 16m16 minutes ago</small>
                                                            @TeamRocBiggie @rosenamajunas @KarynBryant @HypeOrDie @MMAHEAT remember when Declan dropped you? Who wanted u to fight in 2 week pat did.
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                                                          • Andrew Attebury@mmamarine0311 <small class="time" style="font-size: 13px; color: rgb(136, 153, 166);"> 16m16 minutes ago</small>
                                                            @TeamRocBiggie @rosenamajunas @KarynBryant @HypeOrDie @MMAHEAT who didn't duke because it was unsafe....
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                                                          • Rose Namajunas@rosenamajunas <small class="time" style="font-size: 13px; color: rgb(136, 153, 166);"> 3m3 minutes ago</small>
                                                            @TeamRocBiggie @KarynBryant @HypeOrDie @MMAHEAT duke would tell me to beat people up out of spite. I am remorseful for listening
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                                                          • Ragnarok@kmac2468 <small class="time" style="font-size: 13px; color: rgb(136, 153, 166);"> 3m3 minutes ago</small>
                                                            @TeamRocBiggie @rosenamajunas @mmamarine0311 @KarynBryant @HypeOrDie @MMAHEAT A man is dead and you're being petty!





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                                                          • MD
                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                            • 01-31-12
                                                            • 9728

                                                            #2829
                                                            Originally posted by marzwoody
                                                            Duke seems like a piece of shit. he tricked me on Rogan's podcast.
                                                            Earlier, I wondered to myself if Koch's chin deteriorating so rapidly was a result of harsh sparring; I just saw this:



                                                            "As per @KerryHowley's book "Thrown", Duke Roufus gave Erik Koch a pretty damaging concussion in training."
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                                                            • Vaughany
                                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                                              • 03-07-10
                                                              • 45563

                                                              #2830
                                                              yee interesting.

                                                              Koch is firmly behind Rufus though...

                                                              Erik Jon Koch retweeted
                                                              Michael @TeamRocBiggie ยท 25m25 minutes ago

                                                              @rosenamajunas @KarynBryant @HypeOrDie @MMAHEAT at the end of the day this lost of life is horrible you pigging backing off it is worse
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                                                              Erik Jon Koch @NEWBREED04 ยท 13h13 hours ago

                                                              @maduncan4 also a lot of dirt I have heard about certain people I won't name names, but is only stuff true pieces of shit would do.
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                                                              Erik Jon Koch @NEWBREED04 ยท 13h13 hours ago

                                                              @maduncan4 lol it's exactly what it is. It wouldn't be as big as it is or as successful if people didn't like it.
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                                                              Erik Jon Koch @NEWBREED04 ยท 13h13 hours ago

                                                              @maduncan4 frustrated. We had a couple people saying she was trying to take heads off with MMA gloves.
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                                                              @maduncan4 because rose was actually at our gym not to long ago and she got kicked off the mat for trying to blast people because she was
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                                                              Erik Jon Koch @NEWBREED04 ยท 13h13 hours ago

                                                              @maduncan4 I'll tell you everyone at that gym even coaches are all great people and truly love the jobs they do. It's funny this comes out







                                                              It seems a lot of these fighters aren't looking at the bigger picture though. Yeah, they've been great an all with you guys, but doesnt mean they shouldnt be held at least partly responsible for went down at that event when Munson Jr died. That's the problem with all these former Roufus Sport trainers like Barry and Rose coming out and telling stories... it becomes a personal thing and diverts from the actual original issue which was this clusterfuuck of an amateur fight
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                                                              • Vaughany
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                                                                #2831
                                                                Originally posted by Vaughany
                                                                No doubt Roufus/Cushman's responses will be along the lines of... "He knew what he was getting in to...this is the fight business...this is what we sign up for"..and will probably use the medical condition as a reason as well and say they werent informed of this or something. The fact this happened a while ago and roufus sport have just been going along as normal with Cushman still a coach suggests tht they dont feel they are responsible and have just "chalked it off" as just being "one of those things tht unfortunately happens" once in a blue moon in the fight industry
                                                                Like clockwork...

                                                                Erik Jon Koch @NEWBREED04 ยท 8m8 minutes ago

                                                                @NakedGambling but it is a combat sport stuff happens on rare occasions.
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                                                                • MD
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                                                                  • 01-31-12
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                                                                  #2832
                                                                  V and I are going full Social Justice on Roufusport. Koch doesn't seem happy about it.
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                                                                  • Napes21
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                                                                    • 08-22-14
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                                                                    #2833
                                                                    Originally posted by MD
                                                                    V and I are going full Social Justice on Roufusport. Koch doesn't seem happy about it.
                                                                    Saw you got Helwani's interest. Good job sir. Video was pretty bad. I can understand everything up through the second round but no way they should have sent him back out in 3rd.
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                                                                    • MD
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                                                                      #2834
                                                                      Originally posted by Napes21
                                                                      Saw you got Helwani's interest. Good job sir. Video was pretty bad. I can understand everything up through the second round but no way they should have sent him back out in 3rd.
                                                                      The ending was the worst part. Roufusport clearly attempted to cover up Cushman repeatedly slapping Munson in the face as the ringside physician (who trains at Roufusport!) is staring dead-eyed at his phone. I have a very difficult time believing that Roufus really doesn't know how that footage disappeared.
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                                                                      • Vaughany
                                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                                        • 03-07-10
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                                                                        #2835
                                                                        Originally posted by Napes21
                                                                        Saw you got Helwani's interest. Good job sir. Video was pretty bad. I can understand everything up through the second round but no way they should have sent him back out in 3rd.
                                                                        Yee goin in to third round is where shiit hits the fan. Based on Mike Rhodes' tweet to me he thinks its normal tht the Coach slaps the fighter and keeps propping him up despite clearly seeing tht the guy is literally dying on his feet
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