Lots of talk about CC for NL Cy Young. How about Manny for NL MVP?

[Fishhead]

Putting up ridiculous numbers since changing coasts, and almost singlehandedly responsible for the Dodgers winning the West (Yes, I'm calling the division race over, with 'Zona's devastating loss this afternoon being the nail in the coffin).

Manny since the trade:

.396 AVG
14 HR
40 RBI
.491 OBP
.776 SLG
1.267 OPS

Dodgers are 21-17 since the trade, and have gone from 2 games out of first to 3.5 up (D-Backs' recent collapse has been quite helpful in that regard) since Manny's arrival.

You know something, I AGREE WITH YOU!

Look at it this way, we have pitchers win the MVP award that will have played in LESS games than Manny........so why not!???

He gets my vote, you talked me into it.

Thanks,
FH

[MonkeyF0cker]

bc his team sucks

Brilliant post. The team with the second best record in the NL after 90% of the season is complete sucks? And if so, wouldn't that make him MORE valuable? Come with something intelligent if you're going to speak please.

[element1286]

Berkman, Pujols, Braun, Wright, H. Ramirez, Matt Holliday, Chase Utley, Aramis Ramirez, Ludwick, McLouth would be my top 10. Manny deserves absolutely no consideration.

[ryanXL977]

matt holliday has 23 rbis on the road
no way he deserves mention

[ryanXL977]

the brewers play the worst defense, the worst pen, the worst managing ive ever seen

swing for the fences everytime
they are utter garbage.
lucky they have cc and sheets bc they are crap

[MonkeyF0cker]

Are they crap like the Rangers are "an above average team"? Again, wouldn't that build a greater case FOR Braun? You are basically contradicting yourself. Think before you speak.

[yisman]

Who cares who u want? Your vote is irrelevent in the MVP voting. Just like your opinions are here. Move along now, relevant posters are talking.

Come back when u have street cred. :d

Are you retarded? It has nothing to do with what I want. It has to do with reality. I'll bet anything Ryan Howard doesn't win MVP.

[daggerkobe]

Again, you don't speak for the voters, reality or anything else. You're just a noob with zero street cred. Maybe if you post a few picks or pass your 2 week anniversary somebody may take you seriously.

Keep reaching for some credibility.

[rjt721]

Was this a serious suggestion, Manny for NL MVP? Please tell me it's not.

I drink too much, Willie.

I don't necessarily think he should win MVP, and Pujols will get the award. But he does deserve consideration and should get some votes. Whether he's played 38 games or 162, his impact on the Dodgers is undeniable. They weren't making the playoffs before making the trade, and they're now on the verge of winning the division almost entirely because of Manny's presence. If that doesn't deserve MVP consideration, I don't know what does. There's no precedent for a player playing so few games in a particular league and winning MVP, which is why Manny has no chance, but that doesn't mean his value to the Dodgers is any less.

Manny MVP? Uh...no. The only MVP award he should win is Most Vile Prick!! Nobody that gives up on his team at any point in the season should be considered for anything. I know he didn't give up on the Dodgers, but voting him for MVP without taking his American League stats into account would make the debate incredulous. Only going by his National League stats wouldn't put him in the top 20 in Home Runs, RBI's or many other categories.

Interesting point. But because this is strictly a NL award, his actions while still with the Red Sox shouldn't be a factor. That doesn't mean, however, that his disruptive antics in Boston won't be held against him by MVP voters.

You know something, I AGREE WITH YOU!

Look at it this way, we have pitchers win the MVP award that will have played in LESS games than Manny........so why not!???

He gets my vote, you talked me into it.

Thanks,
FH

I'm here to help.

Go BoSox.


Surprised no one brought up Braun sooner. Been the one consistent for a team that's been in playoff contention all season. Also played a very solid LF.

PTI just brought up the Manny/MVP topic. Maybe ESPN reads SBR Forum.

[daggerkobe]

If Kirk Gibson can win the MVP with .290, 25HR, 76 RBI, then Man-Ram and CC are certainly in it and can win it.

[yisman]

Again, you don't speak for the voters, reality or anything else. You're just a noob with zero street cred. Maybe if you post a few picks or pass your 2 week anniversary somebody may take you seriously.

Keep reaching for some credibility.

Wow, so you're not going to take the bet? You guaranteed me that Ryan Howard would win MVP.

Also, I do make picks.

http://forum.sbrforum.com/baseball-handicapping/100031-mlb-best-bets-wednesday-september-10th-2008-a.html#post1028113

http://forum.sbrforum.com/tennis-handicapping/100118-take-florent-serra-over-starace.html

If you're so sure that Ryan Howard will win MVP, then make a damn bet. If not, we'll all know what your true colors are.

[daggerkobe]

Keep reaching for that credibility.... you may get it someday.

[yisman]

are you going to wuss out of the bet? Put your money where your mouth is.

[daggerkobe]

Why so you can risk your > 2 week ID and never pay up?

[yisman]

instead of wasting my time, simply tell the entire forum that you're a giant pussy. I'll bet you anything.

[daggerkobe]

I would..... if you were a respected, credible poster, not some fly-by-night scammer who has 0 credibility and 100% flight risk.

[yisman]

fly by night scammer? I guarantee I'll be posting here for at least another year.

I also guarantee that Ryan Howard will not win NL MVP.

Someone else bet this moron. I'll front you the cash.

[daggerkobe]

Another noob throwing around guarantees like it's his business card.

[yisman]

I'm not going to stop responding because I want the world to see how stupid you really are.

I'm throwing around guarantees? I was responding to your idiotic guarantee in the first place.

[daggerkobe]

Keep reaching for that respectibility.......

Wow a 9/11 avatar... nice touch. Reminds me of another scammer.

[yisman]

Keep reaching for that respectibility [sic].......

Do you have anything intelligent to say? I have more credibility than you ever will.

[daggerkobe]

In a month you will be posting with another ID. Guaranteed.

That's how scammers like you work.

[yisman]

That's a lie. This is the only ID I've ever posted with, and it will be the only ID I'll ever post with. I use it on several other forums as well.

[daggerkobe]

[Illusion]

Both Manny and CC have tore up the second half, but the fact remains they have only been in the NL for a few months. Neither of them will win the Cy/MVP. Albert Pujols will win the mvp and baring a complete collapse Webb will win the Cy Young award.

[yisman]

I don't see Webb winning the Cy Young.

He has collapsed. He's gone from 19-4 with a 2.74 ERA (Cy Young numbers) to 19-7 with a 3.41 ERA. His numbers now don't compare to Lincecum. ERA, strikeouts, WHIP, winning %, etc.

[rjt721]

baring a complete collapse Webb will win the Cy Young award.

Hasn't this already happened?

Webb's last 3 starts:

0-3, 12.52 ERA, 2.49 WHIP.

2 of those losses were against the Dodgers. Webb's come up small when his team needed him the most. Doesn't sound like a Cy Young to me.

[ryanXL977]

lincecum

[daggerkobe]

Howard the MVP just went yard off Sheets!!!!!!!!

[daggerkobe]

Peavy shit the bed against Colorado and still won the CY last season. They look at the entire year, not just a few games.

[yisman]

Webb: 19-7 3.41 ERA 1.19 WHIP, 166 Ks
Lincecum: 16-3 2.54 ERA 1.18 WHIP, 225 Ks

[ryanXL977]

lincecum is better than webb, and its not close and he pitches for a shit team
if he were on az he would probably have a few more wins

[daggerkobe]

FCUK LinceCUM! He aint gonna win shit. He did all that without any pressure on him.

Plus Brad Penny went 16-4 last season and didn't win so why should this geeky looking ahole with 0 complete games win??????

Webb will win if he gets to 20 wins since he was screwed last season.

[ryanXL977]

penny aint close to lincecum at all
in any way , shape, or form

[yisman]

lincecum is better than webb, and its not close and he pitches for a shit team
if he were on az he would probably have a few more wins

yep. His bullpen isn't good and his lineup is awful.

Lincecum has a better record than Webb, and that's with an awful team behind him.

The Cy Young race isn't even close. Webb has nothing on Lincecum except for 3 more wins, but he also has 4 more losses.

Put Lincecum on Arizona and Webb on San Fran and Lincecum would have like 21 wins compared to 14 for Webb.