NL Central race is over

Clueless_Norway · 07-23-08, 10:01 PM

Way early, but im on the Brewers too...
CC is a monster right now.. His 3rd complete game today and a shutout with only 3 hits

bigboydan · 07-23-08, 10:03 PM

I don't think they will win that division sir. They will most likely fade down the stretch at the end of the year just like they always have before.

AnotherLoan · 07-23-08, 10:04 PM

Too early to tell. Cubs were hot and people were saying they will run away with the division. It will go down to the wire.

Kingctb27 · 07-23-08, 10:06 PM

Thing is, the Brewers now have the pitching to kill those losing streaks that eat teams up... As long as Parra, Sheets, and CC stay healthy I would say this one is over as well

Dashwood Clipper · 07-23-08, 10:10 PM

I like this Brewers team, until they get to the bullpen. I believe a playoff spot is in reach, but I dont trust that pen in any situation.

The_Kid · 07-23-08, 10:32 PM

Just send both these teams to the playoffs. Forget the team in the NL Worst.

griffijf · 07-23-08, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by Dashwood Clipper

I like this Brewers team, until they get to the bullpen. I believe a playoff spot is in reach, but I dont trust that pen in any situation.

+1000000000

I've witnessed so many blown saves, and have had a nervous breakdown on a nightly basis in the 8/9th inning.

Dashwood Clipper · 07-23-08, 10:40 PM

Wouldnt bother me one bit to see a sub .500 team from the west not in the playoffs

accuscoresucks · 07-23-08, 10:41 PM

so i guess if you have a stake in the yanks its past the deadline and you cannot sell your stake

pat venditto · 07-23-08, 10:45 PM

i'll give someone brewers @ 100/1 to win the central. Won't happen. Cubs are far better than the brew crew and i'd even consider the cardinals better than them.

Dashwood Clipper · 07-23-08, 10:45 PM

Originally posted by griffijf

+1000000000

I've witnessed so many blown saves, and have had a nervous breakdown on a nightly basis in the 8/9th inning.

The Brewers are good. The bullpen kills them. It is hard to back them, or any team from the central when it comes to late innings. I cant think of one team in the Central where its game over when the closer comes in(Wood the only possible exception, but he has Marmol in front of him)

Dashwood Clipper · 07-23-08, 10:59 PM

Originally posted by accuscoresucks

so i guess if you have a stake in the yanks its past the deadline and you cannot sell your stake

Cant sell the Yankees short. They are always there in the playoffs. 3 games back in the WC, 3.5 in the east, both teams they are chasing are in there division. I would be more shocked if they made past the first round than them not making the playoffs. This is just my opinion though, and not worth much. I still expect the White Sox to fall off the map and Minnesota taking the AL Central

Kingctb27 · 07-23-08, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by pat venditto

i'll give someone brewers @ 100/1 to win the central. Won't happen. Cubs are far better than the brew crew and i'd even consider the cardinals better than them.

I'll bet 10 dollars on that.

ryanXL977 · 07-23-08, 11:17 PM

anyone who is calling a 162 game season over after 100 games doesnt watch baseball

METS 2007

the list is endless of teams who look good in july and not in sept

ever heard of the 07 rockies?

watch games people
the season has just begun

ryanXL977 · 07-23-08, 11:18 PM

also
anyone who thinks the cards are anything more than an 83-84 win team is insane
they have no pen and they have no starters

the brewers have 2 of the top 5 pitchers in thenl, top 3 hitting

the cards are smoke and mirrors and steroids

its cubs or milwaukee, or both, to the playoffs

onthewhat · 07-23-08, 11:20 PM

cubs are back with soriano folks

10 spot tonight

ryanXL977 · 07-23-08, 11:21 PM

if brewers go get jj putz, they win the central
but right now its a tossup

AnotherLoan · 07-23-08, 11:23 PM

Both lineups are talented and both teams have 2 solid aces. This race will come down to the final days of the season.

rm18 · 07-23-08, 11:24 PM

Cardinals could easily win it with Chris Carpenter coming back and Wainwright

Dashwood Clipper · 07-23-08, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by ryanXL977

if brewers go get jj putz, they win the central
but right now its a tossup

Isnt he still on the DL? When is he back. He is a dominant closer, and the Brewers wont do it with Torres, would be a good pick up.

flyingillini · 07-23-08, 11:27 PM

My cardinals will take it!

ryanXL977 · 07-23-08, 11:29 PM

putz pitched 2 awesome today
he dont look hurt to this guy

pat venditto · 07-23-08, 11:34 PM

LOL brewers do not have the 3rd best lineup in baseball ryan.

Cubs/redsox/rangers/twins/yankees/cardinals all have better lineups. You are on crack pal

ryanXL977 · 07-23-08, 11:35 PM

in the nl
they do
and if you think the twins offense iscomparable to the brewers you are insane
same with cards, not close

waittillseptember 30th
twins wont be in the top 4

AnotherLoan · 07-23-08, 11:35 PM

Twins have a better lineup? WTF?

ryanXL977 · 07-23-08, 11:37 PM

pat is insane
cards are a third place team, they are a 500 team
they have no pen and NO starters other than KYLE lohse
thats all i need to say
brew have cc and sheets
its not****ing close
cards wont be within 3 games of milw

BuddyBear · 07-24-08, 01:53 AM

MIL is better than STL w/o a doubt in my mind right now.

They have taken 7 of 10 this year from STL and are going to sweep them tomorrow on the road. MIL and CHC are basically even right now. I'd give a slight edge in overall team/managing to CHC, but MIL has more home games left than CHC and about 10 more games with the NL West while CHC has none left. In addition, MIL took 4 of 6 this year from CHC, and both series were played in CHC. CHC has been a very poor road team, and historically MIL has been too, but this year they are over .500 on the road and still the same dominant team at home. If I had to set a line based on all available information, I'd probably make MIL a slight favorite to win the N.L. Central given their schedule compared to CHC's. Clearly, MIL has the easier of the two schedules and right now the better pitching rotation.

Buddy's Odds to win the NL Central:

MIL -113
CHC +103

BuddyBear · 07-24-08, 01:55 AM

Originally posted by pat venditto

LOL brewers do not have the 3rd best lineup in baseball ryan.

Cubs/redsox/rangers/twins/yankees/cardinals all have better lineups. You are on crack pal

Umm, twins? yankees?

The Yankees have scored 2 runs or less in like 40 of their games this year? How do they have a better lineup? Maybe on paper, or when healthy....but right now MIL has a much better lineup than NYY and MIN for that matter.

pat venditto · 07-24-08, 01:58 AM

team avg's from mlb.com

brewers team avg is a whopping .256

Not saying they have a bad lineup but top 3 in the league is far from true.

Deuce · 07-24-08, 01:59 AM

Originally posted by BuddyBear

Umm, twins? yankees?

The Yankees have scored 2 runs or less in like 40 of their games this year? How do they have a better lineup? Maybe on paper, or when healthy....but right now MIL has a much better lineup than NYY and MIN for that matter.

I would take Tigers, Twins, Yankees over Mil any day of the week.

Even if were as follows...

Verlander v Sebathia
Hernandez v Sebathia
Mussina v Sebathia

BuddyBear · 07-24-08, 02:04 AM

Originally posted by Deuce

I would take Tigers, Twins, Yankees over Mil any day of the week.

Even if were as follows...

Verlander v Sebathia
Hernandez v Sebathia
Mussina v Sebathia

Sabathia vs.L. Hernandez might be something like -200 bro....

pat venditto · 07-24-08, 02:06 AM

oops i forgot the tigers also. tigers much better lineup than the brewers just tigers pitching is shit besides verlander,gallaraga and rogers can do ok sometimes.

pat venditto · 07-24-08, 02:07 AM

I think verlander vs sabathia would be a good match. Trust me I respect sabathias stuff. People don't do their homework and just assume sabathia can't pitch no more because he had a bad starting record. He's got some sick stuff.

BuddyBear · 07-24-08, 02:08 AM

Originally posted by pat venditto

team avg's from mlb.com

brewers team avg is a whopping .256

Not saying they have a bad lineup but top 3 in the league is far from true.

And your point is? This is ridiculous logic?

How about runs per game, after all that is the name of the game.

RPG

MIL 4.7
NYY 4.7
MIN 4.9

Keep in mind, MIL plays in the NL, so basically MIL is outscoring both those teams.