Is Johan Santana still the best pitcher in baseball?

[ryanXL977]

wang is good
he isnt anything special is all.

[austintx05]

It was carmona first year pitching full time buddy. Let's see what happens this year when the hitters get more use to his stuff. I'm not saying he will have a bad year I am saying let's see. Wang has had 3 solid seasons now.

yup, same shit with dice k. Lets see how unhittable he is this year. If these guys continue to put up great numbers, then they earn their respect. If not, then they are one year wonders.

[ryanXL977]

you are the most knowledgeable person on baseball in this forum

that may be the funniest thing i have ever heard in my life

[MJFtheGenius]

Ryan like Brad penny you are a head case. Every arguement you have ends with "is better then Wang". Just because you hate the yankees I don't care. it does not take away how good Wang is.

[MJFtheGenius]

i am the most knowledgeable person on baseball at this forum.

Last year was Lackey's best year by far. First time he posted 19 wins and while his career era is flirting with 4.00 he posted a 3.01 era last season. My point it I wouldn't expect another season from Lackey like last year.
Same thing goes for Carmona and CC. Carmona was a horrible bullpen pitcher and then he has a great year. Obviously mechanics changed, but lets see how he does this season, especially with the money they just threw at him.

Ignore Austin, he has been drinking alot tonight. lackey has been a solid pitcher for years now.

[ryanXL977]

i dont hate the yankees at all. but good try.
tim lincecum has better stuff than wang., so does matt cain, so does peavy, so does johan, liriano, kelvim escobar, aj burnett

i can go on for hours

[austintx05]

wang is good
he isnt anything special is all.

wang went into Boston and held them to 2 hits, 1 run, all on 93 pitches.

Wang doesn't strikeout a lot of batter, but his ground ball ratio is what makes him so good. Like Maddux used to be. All about location and movement, you know actual pitching. Not throwing 100mph.

No one has recorded as many wins as Wang has the last 2 years, which includes SBR's favorite, Jake Peavy.

[austintx05]

Ignore Austin, he has been drinking alot tonight. lackey has been a solid pitcher for years now.

check the stats for yourself. Tell me where I am lying?

here

[austintx05]

you are the most knowledgeable person on baseball in this forum

that may be the funniest thing i have ever heard in my life

tell me who knows more about baseball here at sbr.

[ryanXL977]

i am aware of wangs win totals
and again, he gets a ton of run support, unlike johan in minne. he is a good solid pitcher
shutting down boston with no lowell and a bad papi is not a huge deal right now
good for wang, he is solid for sure. i would love him on my team. but he should never be mentioned anywhere near peavy or johan
he isnt close

[MJFtheGenius]

Ryan is just an attention whore.

Wang's sinker is one of the dominent pitches in the game today.

[imgv94]

you are the most knowledgeable person on baseball in this forum

that may be the funniest thing i have ever heard in my life

My boy Austin knows his Shit.. He's a baseball sharp

[ryanXL977]

if you make a statement that foolish, i dont even have to reply to it. how the hell do you know who knows more or less about mlb. are you serious

[austintx05]

i dont hate the yankees at all. but good try.
tim lincecum has better stuff than wang., so does matt cain, so does peavy, so does johan, liriano, kelvim escobar, aj burnett

i can go on for hours

escobar? hahahah. The only person on that list that is better than Wang is Santana, who is still the best pitcher in baseball.

matt cain?
lincecum?
aj?

good pitchers, but aj is never healthy, lincecum has yet to pitch an entire season, and cain has promise but again, Wang has posted more wins than all of them.

[ryanXL977]

maybe he knows his shit. fine
but wang aint close to the top tier
thats all i am saying
ive seen em all, he is good
hell, i saw wang at yankee stadium live, he is solid
but he is not close to webb,
he is a bit better than lowe i guess

[MJFtheGenius]

check the stats for yourself. Tell me where I am lying?

here

I have seen the stats I already know them. So his wins are not that high but really no ones are anymore buddy. You are living in the past because now a days 15 wins is 20 wins. The bullpen comes into the game earlier now and has a bigger impact then ever. Lackey is a great postseason pitcher. Check those numbers. I would want him on my ball club.

[ryanXL977]

wins mean jack shit to me, all they say is the team scores runs and the pitcher doesnt neccessarily have to pitch great to have wins. what did johan win last yr? 14? 15? wins mean zip. i care about whip, ks, era. wins have little to do with the pitcher, more to do with the offense, and fielding

wangs good, his stuff is not better than escobars

[AgainstAllOdds]

wang isnt better than penny, he isnt better than webb
he gets wins, he gets run support, he ks nobody
he is solid, if he werent a yankee nobody would evercome close to naming him in the top tier
he is not top 10

That is exactly why he doesnt get the recongnition he deserves...you know nothing about baseball

[imgv94]

Wang is pretty fukkin impressive.. When that sinker is on there is no balls getting past the infield..

[austintx05]

if you make a statement that foolish, i dont even have to reply to it. how the hell do you know who knows more or less about mlb. are you serious

its apparent with the list including matt cain, tim lincecum and aj burnett that you do not know who the best pitchers in baseball are.

You see, in baseball the object of the game is to win. The simple fact that Wang has more wins in the last 2 years than any other pitcher in baseball tells me how effective Wang is.

Santana/Peavy might have "nastier" stuff, but all that matters is wins.

[austintx05]

That is exactly why he doesnt get the recongnition he deserves...you know nothing about baseball

thank you for proving my point.

[AgainstAllOdds]

its apparent with the list including matt cain, tim lincecum and aj burnett that you do not know who the best pitchers in baseball are.

You see, in baseball the object of the game is to win. The simple fact that Wang has more wins in the last 2 years than any other pitcher in baseball tells me how effective Wang is.

Santana/Peavy might have "nastier" stuff, but all that matters is wins.

Finally someone got it right! good job pal

[ryanXL977]

you guys are geniuses. since you say wang is the best pitcher in baseball aside from peavy and johan, you all are right

wang is good, but he aint near top 10
no baseball exec woul dever say that
not one

[ryanXL977]

there are about 100 pitchers who could win 18 games with the yanks offense. the yanks only have one of them

[MJFtheGenius]

you guys are geniuses. since you say wang is the best pitcher in baseball aside from peavy and johan, you all are right

wang is good, but he aint near top 10
no baseball exec woul dever say that
not one

LOL!


Are the scouts experts Ryan? Cause I have heard them talk about wang.

[austintx05]

you guys are geniuses. since you say wang is the best pitcher in baseball aside from peavy and johan, you all are right

wang is good, but he aint near top 10
no baseball exec woul dever say that
not one

you are a prime example as to why SBR is going downhill. You know absolutely nothing about the sport you are talking about and yet you keep rambling on because you actually think that you do.

Wang is not over glorified on ESPN so he isn't in that spotlight. If he didn't wear pinstripes, no one woudl know he is in the league.

So less fame, but still most wins last 2 season. He was up for the Cy Young last year and a well deserved candidate. I guarantee your beloved Red Sox would sign Wang at the drop of a dime if they had the chance.

[ryanXL977]

you ae clearly the expert
wang is obviously top tier
hence his numerous all star appearances as chosen by managers and players
you are right
wang is the third best pitcher in baseball
hard not to win 18 games when your team scores 950 runs per year

[ryanXL977]

i dont watch espn
i watch the baseball package that i have had for most of this decade

i assure you there is nobody here who watches mroe baseball than i do. but if you say so, you must be right

wang is the best

[austintx05]

you ae clearly the expert
wang is obviously top tier
hence his numerous all star appearances as chosen by managers and players
you are right
wang is the third best pitcher in baseball
hard not to win 18 games when your team scores 950 runs per year

are you discounting the Mets offense now? Will you let Santana off the hook if he doesn't win it all?

The fact of the matter is you dont know what you are talking about and you won't accept it either.

[ryanXL977]

so i dont know what i am talking about bc i dont believe wang is number 3 after the other two

wonder how many mb players would list wang as a top 3 pitcher

you are an idiot dude
telling someone you are right and they are wrong isnt an argument

this is why bush is president, because of people like you

[AgainstAllOdds]

are you discounting the Mets offense now? Will you let Santana off the hook if he doesn't win it all?

The fact of the matter is you dont know what you are talking about and you won't accept it either.

Listen tex...dont waste your typing on this guy...he goes over to the NBA forums and does the same shit...just let him think hes right and move on....

[imgv94]

you are a prime example as to why SBR is going downhill. You know absolutely nothing about the sport you are talking about and yet you keep rambling on because you actually think that you do.

Reminds me of someone else on here

[austintx05]

i dont watch espn
i watch the baseball package that i have had for most of this decade

i assure you there is nobody here who watches mroe baseball than i do. but if you say so, you must be right

wang is the best

he isn't the best. The BEST is a matter of opinion. I don't think he is the best, but I do think he is a top 5 pitcher in baseball. And I simply listed one reason why, cause no one has more wins than Wang last 2 years.

Just cause you watch it, doesn't mean you know more. Minutes of watching does not always equal minutes of knowledge.

The fact that you think Matt Cain, Lincecum and AJ are better than Wang means you don't know what you are talking about.

Ever stop to think that the Yankees knew what they were doing when they got him?

Add to the fact at how bad the Yankees bullpen is, shows you how good Wang is. He will give you a solid 7 innings every night and give you a great chance to win.

93 pitches, 2 hits, 1 run in a 4-1 victory in Fenway. What else do you want?

[ryanXL977]

maybe if i gain 90 lbs and put on a wig, that will make me smart
of all the people in these forums, i have never seen anyone get more wrong that you

you who lays on charlotte and memphis on the road

youa re bright

[MJFtheGenius]

argument

this is why bush is president, because of people like you

No people like you who would take Escobar over Wang is the reason why Bush is president.