Is Johan Santana still the best pitcher in baseball?

[ryanXL977]

i just dont see why it matters if they are given up via homers or hits
wangs era is worse than johans and always will be because he isnt close to johan

why does it matter how runs score.

[austintx05]

btw, I know he is hurt right now cause he is not pitching like himself, but Roy Oswalt is by far better than Haren, Burnett, Cain, Lincecum and any other person on ryan's top 5.

[austintx05]

i just dont see why it matters if they are given up via homers or hits
wangs era is worse than johans and always will be because he isnt close to johan

why does it matter how runs score.

if he isn't close to johan then why is Wang 3-0 in arguably the toughest division in baseball, and also why has Wang recorded more wins than anyone in baseball in the last 2 seasons.

Just answer those questions.

Thank You.

[ryanXL977]

roy oswalt is not better than haren and hasnt been for a few yrs. lincecum isnt in tthe top 15, but his stuff is. who cares about wins dude. seriously. its 2 weeks in, i guess raul ibanez is the best player in the majors

wins are a reflection of your offense more than you. there have been plenty of guys with lousy peripherals with many wins. i guess don sutton is a great pitcher too right?

[ryanXL977]

oswalt is better than wang
hammels is
zambrano is
haren
webb
beckett
cc
peavy
johan
sheets


wang is about as good as verlander
top 15 no more or less

[austintx05]

roy oswalt is not better than haren and hasnt been for a few yrs. lincecum isnt in tthe top 15, but his stuff is. who cares about wins dude. seriously. its 2 weeks in, i guess raul ibanez is the best player in the majors

wins are a reflection of your offense more than you. there have been plenty of guys with lousy peripherals with many wins. i guess don sutton is a great pitcher too right?

please just go look at the stats. Compare Roy vs Haren, cause you are sadly mistaken.

And I gotta point this out.

Lincecum isn't in the top 15, BUT HIS STUFF IS?

You have summarized all I need to know. How can not be a top 15 pitcher, but your stuff is top 15??

I am dying to hear this...

[austintx05]

oswalt is better than wang
hammels is
zambrano is
haren
webb
beckett
cc
peavy
johan
sheets


wang is about as good as verlander
top 15 no more or less

Lets see

Wang 3-0 1.23 era
Verlander 0-2 6.52 era

yup, Wang is almost as good as Verlander.

[ryanXL977]

well do you seriously want to go off of 2 weeks of stats
i thought you were the most knowledgeable person in here

very smart

so mike jacobs and bill hall are gonna lead the nl in homers right?

you are smart

[ryanXL977]

miguel cabrera is hittign 180
thome is hitting 150
oswalts era is 9

its 2 weeks in dude
if wang keeps this up, he is the best picher of all time

[austintx05]

well do you seriously want to go off of 2 weeks of stats
i thought you were the most knowledgeable person in here

very smart

so mike jacobs and bill hall are gonna lead the nl in homers right?

you are smart

4 yr career

Wang 49-18 3.64 era
Verlander 35-19 3.87

Thats 14 more wins and 1 less loss, just in case you couldn't figure that out.

[austintx05]

miguel cabrera is hittign 180
thome is hitting 150
oswalts era is 9

its 2 weeks in dude
if wang keeps this up, he is the best picher of all time

I'm not just comparing the beginning of a season, cause if I did that then Cueto would be a top 5, but he isn't. Wang is proven, look at the career numbers.

Oswalt is obviously hurt cause he isn't pitching well. Hopefully he gets back on track.

[austintx05]

miguel cabrera is hittign 180
thome is hitting 150
oswalts era is 9

its 2 weeks in dude
if wang keeps this up, he is the best picher of all time

again, not about Wang being the best. I am just stating his case of being a top 5 pitcher.

[ryanXL977]

well agree to disagree
wang to me is top 15
but maybe in sept he will be top 5
we can go on for days
maybe you are right
i disagree

[austintx05]

well agree to disagree
wang to me is top 15
but maybe in sept he will be top 5
we can go on for days
maybe you are right
i disagree

thanks for the debate