2010 MLB Season Thread: 100+ units or bust!

[pimike]

This is about as low as somebody can go!

[Dexter]

Snapstick, it has come to my attention that you are copying and posting the same sportrends ML system plays we use in our MLB thread. This is not your system and posting of any sportrends system plays needs sportrends permission. I have that permission to do so. This is not your system and you have no permission to do so and I ask you to stop copying and posting our ML plays immediately. Secondly, you have copied the rules that I have devised and hope you remove them in your first post. Please make your own plays using your own system. Your cooperation would be appreciated.
Formulawiz.

jesus christ snap...

[SolidDala]

[KATCHASE]

Totally agree, Formula and I were using that system already a year ago, we also did track several other sportrends system and we always gave and give credit to them.
The Rules snap posted on site 1 are almost the same we use and came up with.
His plays are also almost the same and such a huge coincidence where almost 95% of the plays are the same, well its highly unlikly, add in that he uses the same rules, no chance. Not to forget that he even contacted some of us last year and asked a ton of questions.
I mean the worst part is, he actually claims that it is his system. He comes in here and says he gonna make 100 units per year, shame on you.

No problem if you give credit to sportrends and come in and help us post plays in our thread.

You claim that the rules and plays are almost the same, so is it fair that you claim snap's system as yours? Perhaps it may have been based on your system and if so, then I agree that snap should give credit where credit is due. But if it's been tweaked or altered in any way, can it still be considered your system and should snap stop posting?

[tonyp0387]

Becasue Formula and I dont have time to check every thread here, Formula just told me last night... thats why...

Hard to believe the first time you guys seen this thread was last night you guys post everyday and its one of the more popular threads here. I'm not trying to cause trouble and if all the plays are the same and the rules are the same you guys are correct to be upset then.

[DIRTYDIRTY]

cmon dex do u have a copyright for that system guess u shouldnt have shared it with the world wide web

[DIRTYDIRTY]

money is the rude of all evil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! believe dat

[snapstick]

I was curious how long it would take before someone would come to thread accusing me of some off the wall crap. First, I am not sure who you are Formula and what your intentions are. Second i have never heard of sports trends or any website that uses the same rules that i use. Third, i have been using a projected money line stradegy for baseball for many years and each year i refine the rules and add filters to eliminate losses. This season i added four filters that were not in use last season. Do you actually think that the website you mentioned is the only gentlemen who use a projected money line to assist with wagering? Your claims are rediculous and totally uncalled for and totally untrue. This is the exact reason i posted yesterday i do not like to post how i cap games. Formula i am glad you spend time each day posting plays that promote a certain website in which you probably receive kick-backs for your effort and as far as i am concerned your thread should be moved in the "Promotions" section of this site. As for me i spend about 3 hours at night and about 2-3 hours (off and on) during the day preparing my lines and my plays for each day using MY information and MY stradegy. I am apauled of your comments and i am disgusted that you would post those comments.

Formula if you would like to post your promotional thread plays for each day last week and post my plays for the last week they should be exactly the same right? Go ahead and post the plays for your thread and my thread and lets compare and see. This is comming from a person who posts plays to promote a website to a person who spends damn near night and day to prepare and post and email plays. Your an idiot and i lost all respect for you.

[snapstick]

Hard to believe the first time you guys seen this thread was last night you guys post everyday and its one of the more popular threads here. I'm not trying to cause trouble and if all the plays are the same and the rules are the same you guys are correct to be upset then.

If someone sees success they attack. That has been in this forum for a long time.

[Thatswhatshesaid]

He has done this before with college football (RPI bowl system), basketball (JM plays, etc) and now with baseball. I'm not surprised at all.

[DIRTYDIRTY]

he must be working for vegas

[snapstick]

He has done this before with college football (RPI bowl system), basketball (JM plays, etc) and now with baseball. I'm not surprised at all.

Those are SYSTEMS you idiot. Those are systems i used and i named the system threads Sagarin and JM. Go to those threads and you will see the title of those threads were appropriate.

[sonnybaby]

[Panekkkk]

I have accused others of stealing my plays as well once. To be fair, snap has been posting for only like 4 days, so if you want to accuse him of having identical plays, why not wait for a solid 2 weeks of plays? 4 days of plays is hardly a significant sample size -- I'm sure most statisticians would agree.

[SolidDala]

Beeing a match geek, I must agree with you Panekkk Furthermore I do agree with Snap regarding promoting a certain site after reading the other thread.

On the Under in this early game, like Phillies but it should be a close one...

[Formulawiz]

I was curious how long it would take before someone would come to thread accusing me of some off the wall crap. First, I am not sure who you are Formula and what your intentions are. Second i have never heard of sports trends or any website that uses the same rules that i use. Third, i have been using a projected money line stradegy for baseball for many years and each year i refine the rules and add filters to eliminate losses. This season i added four filters that were not in use last season. Do you actually think that the website you mentioned is the only gentlemen who use a projected money line to assist with wagering? Your claims are rediculous and totally uncalled for and totally untrue. This is the exact reason i posted yesterday i do not like to post how i cap games. Formula i am glad you spend time each day posting plays that promote a certain website in which you probably receive kick-backs for your effort and as far as i am concerned your thread should be moved in the "Promotions" section of this site. As for me i spend about 3 hours at night and about 2-3 hours (off and on) during the day preparing my lines and my plays for each day using MY information and MY stradegy. I am apauled of your comments and i am disgusted that you would post those comments.

Formula if you would like to post your promotional thread plays for each day last week and post my plays for the last week they should be exactly the same right? Go ahead and post the plays for your thread and my thread and lets compare and see. This is comming from a person who posts plays to promote a website to a person who spends damn near night and day to prepare and post and email plays. Your an idiot and i lost all respect for you.

I asked you nicely to stop copying and posting the ML system plays. I know for a fact you purchased the baseball software last year because you asked me all sorts of questions as how to use it. If you force my hand I will post all your emails in which you asked me and peter all sorts of questions as how to use the ML system and other systems. If your using your own system go ahead and post how you calculate your plays and how you produce your own ML. I never said the ML system was my own. I gave credit to sportrends who allows us to use their system in our thread. I dont care how successful your thread is, but when people like you use systems developed by others and then claim its their own, it shows the type of individual you are. Well we are all waiting to see your so called ML system.

[peterpan19]

I was curious how long it would take before someone would come to thread accusing me of some off the wall crap. First, I am not sure who you are Formula and what your intentions are. Second i have never heard of sports trends or any website that uses the same rules that i use. Third, i have been using a projected money line stradegy for baseball for many years and each year i refine the rules and add filters to eliminate losses. This season i added four filters that were not in use last season. Do you actually think that the website you mentioned is the only gentlemen who use a projected money line to assist with wagering? Your claims are rediculous and totally uncalled for and totally untrue. This is the exact reason i posted yesterday i do not like to post how i cap games. Formula i am glad you spend time each day posting plays that promote a certain website in which you probably receive kick-backs for your effort and as far as i am concerned your thread should be moved in the "Promotions" section of this site. As for me i spend about 3 hours at night and about 2-3 hours (off and on) during the day preparing my lines and my plays for each day using MY information and MY stradegy. I am apauled of your comments and i am disgusted that you would post those comments. Formula if you would like to post your promotional thread plays for each day last week and post my plays for the last week they should be exactly the same right? Go ahead and post the plays for your thread and my thread and lets compare and see. This is comming from a person who posts plays to promote a website to a person who spends damn near night and day to prepare and post and email plays. Your an idiot and i lost all respect for you.

thats not true, should formula really post the emails you send him?

[snapstick]

It doesnt really matter if i asked questions about a thread LAST SEASON or not. Do you mean to tell me everyone who posts plays in this site or any other site does not use information to cap games from a internet source. If someone uses internet sources to cap games do they have to list each site they visit to accommodate you FORMULA? I would love to share how i spend 3 hours per day preparing my OWN money lines. Hopefully after that you will go climb back in the hole you climbed out of.

[KATCHASE]

Do you mean to tell me everyone who posts plays in this site or any other site does not use information to cap games from a internet source. If someone uses internet sources to cap games do they have to list each site they visit to accommodate you FORMULA?

Well said snap.

[Panekkkk]

Okay, things do sound a bit shady but let's have a look at yesterday's plays:

snapstick:
LAD
PHI
COL
CHI
CHW
BOS
ATL

formula/peterpan:

http://forum.sbrforum.com/baseball-handicapping/175973-new-baseball-power-rating-system-p25.html#post4404853

http://forum.sbrforum.com/baseball-handicapping/175973-new-baseball-power-rating-system-p25.html#post4404203

CHI
ATL
COL
TEX
BOS
CWS
TOR
WSH
ARZ
TB

I've bolded the plays that differed. That doesn't seem like copy 'n pasting to me. If snap is using SportsTrend software but has changed the filters so be it, then he should give credit where credit is due. Otherwise, it doesn't look to be a simple case of a copycat.

I'm not here to pick sides, but evidence is needed to build a case and just looking at yesterday's card, there doesn't seem to be strong evidence. In fact, if quite a few cappers are picking the same play, it probably means that the books have not priced a game properly and we are all finding an edge. IDENTICAL plays for 2 weeks = copycat. A few plays here and there... not so much?

[KATCHASE]

Exactly! Good job Panekkk.

[theplaya]

Well done panekk

[tonyp0387]

Okay, things do sound a bit shady but let's have a look at yesterday's plays:

snapstick:
LAD
PHI
COL
CHI
CHW
BOS
ATL

formula/peterpan:

http://forum.sbrforum.com/baseball-handicapping/175973-new-baseball-power-rating-system-p25.html#post4404853

http://forum.sbrforum.com/baseball-handicapping/175973-new-baseball-power-rating-system-p25.html#post4404203

CHI
ATL
COL
TEX
BOS
CWS
TOR
WSH
ARZ
TB

I've bolded the plays that differed. That doesn't seem like copy 'n pasting to me. If snap is using SportsTrend software but has changed the filters so be it, then he should give credit where credit is due. Otherwise, it doesn't look to be a simple case of a copycat.

I'm not here to pick sides, but evidence is needed to build a case and just looking at yesterday's card, there doesn't seem to be strong evidence.

LOL ya lets just bet every game and the ones that are the same plays lets say he's tailing us so we can promote a website to make money. Lets count how many times Formula says SPORTRENDS. Im sure snap did buy the package and its one of many tools he uses SO WHAT ........

[sycoogtit]

I kinda think the accusers should have gone private first, but whatever.

I don't NOT believe you formula and pp, but you should probably show some proof that he's copy-pasting your plays. I don't think copies of e-mails he sent asking about your system would be proof. Showing that his plays from this season and from the system thread for 2/3 of last season are identical to what your plays were would be proof I think, assuming he posted after you.

If your using your own system go ahead and post how you calculate your plays and how you produce your own ML.

Like anybody would do that, whether they copied a system or not.

[snapstick]

Here are the websites i reference and the information i gather to calculate MY OWN money lines sir!

WEBSITES: PECOTA, CHONE, ZiP's, Diamondmind, Baseball Projection
METHODS and FORMULA's used: log5formula(Used to convert a line), Pythagorean method (used to calculate each team's win % after adding home field advantage), Baseball Projections (Used to prepare a pitchers ERA)

Statistical values used to formulate a money line include ERA of starting pitchers, Projected runs scored, calculation of runs against, Both team's win %, Home field advantage, ect.

To convert the above information into a line i use the log5formula and a spreadsheet formula. If you would ike me to teach you step by step how to compute and formulate a line number by number i will be your instructor for the day.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS MR. SPORTS TRENDS?

[snapstick]

Okay, things do sound a bit shady but let's have a look at yesterday's plays:

snapstick:
LAD
PHI
COL
CHI
CHW
BOS
ATL

formula/peterpan:

http://forum.sbrforum.com/baseball-handicapping/175973-new-baseball-power-rating-system-p25.html#post4404853

http://forum.sbrforum.com/baseball-handicapping/175973-new-baseball-power-rating-system-p25.html#post4404203

CHI
ATL
COL
TEX
BOS
CWS
TOR
WSH
ARZ
TB

I've bolded the plays that differed. That doesn't seem like copy 'n pasting to me. If snap is using SportsTrend software but has changed the filters so be it, then he should give credit where credit is due. Otherwise, it doesn't look to be a simple case of a copycat.

I'm not here to pick sides, but evidence is needed to build a case and just looking at yesterday's card, there doesn't seem to be strong evidence. In fact, if quite a few cappers are picking the same play, it probably means that the books have not priced a game properly and we are all finding an edge. IDENTICAL plays for 2 weeks = copycat. A few plays here and there... not so much?

It appears to me there are 7 plays that do not match.

[sycoogtit]

snap you should really delete that unless you don't care everyone has your secret formula. You don't need to prove you're innocent -- they need to prove you're guilty.

[KATCHASE]

[KATCHASE]

snap you should really delete that unless you don't care everyone has your secret formula. You don't need to prove you're innocent -- they need to prove you're guilty.

I agree snap. You shouldn't have to share that info.

[snapstick]

I dont care...No secrets...Thats the sites and info i use and if someone would like to spend 3-4 hours out their day to use those sites and perform their own calculations more power to them. There is no secrets here...I just dont like to post how i derive with my plays and i dont like to share rules of my plays for this exact reason.

[KATCHASE]

Enough of this crap...I say you get back to doing your thing Snap...

Do you have an idea yet of what we can expect for today's plays?

[snapstick]

Enough of this crap...I say you get back to doing your thing Snap...

Do you have an idea yet of what we can expect for today's plays?

I am still using the cut and paste method with the website that was mentioned before i post my plays...

I will start a new thread each day with these plays to eliminate all the B.S. clutter that some like to include so that it will be easier for those interested to retrieve the plays. Yesterday i said i would include more information with the plays that i email...I will also include that information with the plays i post in my thread each day so maybe it will eliminate idiots from posting crap that was previously posted.

[SEAHAWKHARRY]

Snapstick your a class act don't let the haters hate on this thread.. And whats he warning you for is he goning to report you to his..MOM.. Anyways i tail you on here sometimes snap you have been very good just keep it up.. this slugs just want someone to love them

[theplaya]

Harry what's going on buddy? Long time away from the porcupine

[Panekkkk]

Here are the websites i reference and the information i gather to calculate MY OWN money lines sir!

WEBSITES: PECOTA, CHONE, ZiP's, Diamondmind, Baseball Projection
METHODS and FORMULA's used: log5formula(Used to convert a line), Pythagorean method (used to calculate each team's win % after adding home field advantage), Baseball Projections (Used to prepare a pitchers ERA)

Statistical values used to formulate a money line include ERA of starting pitchers, Projected runs scored, calculation of runs against, Both team's win %, Home field advantage, ect.

To convert the above information into a line i use the log5formula and a spreadsheet formula. If you would ike me to teach you step by step how to compute and formulate a line number by number i will be your instructor for the day.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS MR. SPORTS TRENDS?

You didn't have to post your methods snap but I'm sure it'll help some newbies . Just keep doin' what you're doin'. BTW are you getting kickbacks from this Pythagorean guy!?!?!