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  • brodie
    SBR MVP
    • 11-25-13
    • 2212

    #106
    Originally posted by fitguy67
    here's one to think about, from a perspective of why's this guy @2.50/+150...ranking's similar but owns the h2h

    http://www.tennisexplorer.com/match-detail/?id=1205103
    ehhh... id stay away, huang is not yet i his prime and has gotten better since they last played.. not to mention he's the hometown guy. kondo is from japan
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    • Cappinpicks
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 03-11-10
      • 14986

      #107
      is this for real? the books were right about a favorite 70 rank spots worse?
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      • fitguy67
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 03-13-11
        • 5082

        #108
        congrats on becker, 1-3 for day...i'll run up some figs later

        BTW, i put a "to win 1u" flier on Kondo...50% premium (over coin-flip 2.0/+100) is still a fat premium, even if Huang has improved a lot and currently on a heater vs the older & now colder Kondo...

        nothing fosters the instant "return of mojo" better than having to show someone you've always bitch-slapped, that despite their recent successes...things are still the same "between you and me"

        Huang will in his corner have the "that was then...this is now!" to spur him on...

        but i've always felt "i KNOW i can do this because...i've already done it!...three times!" as being much stronger than garden-variety oprah-network "i know i can do this...i know i can do this..."

        much stronger of course only in the important "internal factors" (you know, composure and grit --the "anti-choke" elements) side of things...on the other side of who's overall stronger is of course the pure "external factors" (you know, things like grooved-in tennis skills)...Huang's game may have improved a lot since they met last and may have a decided edge in the latter...but the h2h dominance and experience angles of Kondo may make him less subject to self-sabotage...more able to finish if he's lucky to find himself with a SP/MP...

        in the end...that's why they play the matches
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        • jtoler
          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
          • 12-17-13
          • 30967

          #109
          Good stuff, gl Cap, hope you kill Wimby.
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          • fitguy67
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 03-13-11
            • 5082

            #110
            sbr's tennis sub-forum easily the most tolerant and civil of all the sf's

            we're kind of like "princeton university's math department" to Cappy's John Nash

            even if a guy's got an obnoxious posting style...we don't abandon one of our own...we encourage and cajole, and work with him until his posting's more useful to his fellow sf-bro's ...

            books are giving away money and CP's always looking for it...and will post a headsup when he finds something

            I'll do my best to document the path of a generic $10,000 bank firing $100 bullets based on these (hopefully increasingly-clear) soundings of the CP free-money alarm!
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            • fitguy67
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 03-13-11
              • 5082

              #111
              I do my accounting a bit more comprehensively than most

              usual reporting of summar figs will be of this format: W-L, N = A -S___B
              where N=net profit in $ (since u are fixed at $100, all $ figs can be converted by moving dec-point 2 places to left)
              A = $won by all plays graded as Ws = $-Additions to the Bank (an important tally to be maintained)
              S = $lost by all plays graded as Ls = $-subractions from the Bank (an important tally to be maintained)
              so, obviously N=A-S and new bank B = I + N, where I =Initial bank (or Invested funds)


              starting point at EOD#00(Sun, Jun15): 0-0, $0 = 0 - 0___$10,000
              all action is to win (NOT risk) 1u unless otherwise specified


              Day#01 = Mon, Jun 16
              1 W (@ 1.7692/-130).................................... ....A= 100
              3 L (@ 1.76, 1.78, 2.5/-131.58, -128.21, +150)...S = 326.46 (=131.58+128.21+66.67)
              N= A - S = -226.46

              the winner was Becker -130
              the 3 losers were Jung, Barthel*Puig, CaGa

              EOD#01(M, Jun16): 1-3, -226.46 = 100 - 326.46____9773.54
              corresponding to .......W-L,........N = A - S_______B


              note that in units format......1-3, -2.2646 = 1 - 3/2646__97.7354

              so there's no need to refer to units anymore...just remember, all figures are based on a generic B,u = 10k, 100

              so dividing the $ figures reported by the fixed conversion rate of 1u=$100, amounts to moving the dec-point 2 places to the left and adding a "u" to the right side of the figure
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              • Cappinpicks
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 03-11-10
                • 14986

                #112
                this horse shit player Ledovsik is 100000 in world and is favored vs a solid player.. hit Zyrmont huge i guess
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                • Cappinpicks
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 03-11-10
                  • 14986

                  #113
                  Originally posted by fitguy67
                  congrats on becker, 1-3 for day...i'll run up some figs later

                  BTW, i put a "to win 1u" flier on Kondo...50% premium (over coin-flip 2.0/+100) is still a fat premium, even if Huang has improved a lot and currently on a heater vs the older & now colder Kondo...

                  nothing fosters the instant "return of mojo" better than having to show someone you've always bitch-slapped, that despite their recent successes...things are still the same "between you and me"

                  Huang will in his corner have the "that was then...this is now!" to spur him on...

                  but i've always felt "i KNOW i can do this because...i've already done it!...three times!" as being much stronger than garden-variety oprah-network "i know i can do this...i know i can do this..."

                  much stronger of course only in the important "internal factors" (you know, composure and grit --the "anti-choke" elements) side of things...on the other side of who's overall stronger is of course the pure "external factors" (you know, things like grooved-in tennis skills)...Huang's game may have improved a lot since they met last and may have a decided edge in the latter...but the h2h dominance and experience angles of Kondo may make him less subject to self-sabotage...more able to finish if he's lucky to find himself with a SP/MP...

                  in the end...that's why they play the matches
                  1-3? you missed cornet large i guess and didnt play barfel seperate... puig was a bitch
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                  • Cappinpicks
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 03-11-10
                    • 14986

                    #114
                    Originally posted by Cappinpicks
                    cornet seems too easy?? guess ill bite 3 units
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                    • SirtySree
                      SBR MVP
                      • 12-19-13
                      • 2370

                      #115
                      Originally posted by Cappinpicks
                      this horse shit player Ledovsik is 100000 in world and is favored vs a solid player.. hit Zyrmont huge i guess
                      I already told you why he was ranked 600ish before. He is coming off not playing much in 2 years and since coming back this year, he has done well. That being said, he shouldnt be the favourite but line is close to being correct in my opinion. Zhyrmont is a very inconsistent player, again in my opinion.

                      Don't really like betting on players coming back from injury or for players that are inconsistent.
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                      • Cappinpicks
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 03-11-10
                        • 14986

                        #116
                        Originally posted by SirtySree
                        I already told you why he was ranked 600ish before. He is coming off not playing much in 2 years and since coming back this year, he has done well. That being said, he shouldnt be the favourite but line is close to being correct in my opinion. Zhyrmont is a very inconsistent player, again in my opinion.

                        Don't really like betting on players coming back from injury or for players that are inconsistent.
                        ah true i forgot just saw his match vs the indian and he looked like a complete careless tanker retard... never seen someone so helpless and worthless as a favorite
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                        • SirtySree
                          SBR MVP
                          • 12-19-13
                          • 2370

                          #117
                          Originally posted by Cappinpicks
                          ah true i forgot just saw his match vs the indian and he looked like a complete careless tanker retard... never seen someone so helpless and worthless as a favorite
                          indian took out zhyrmont in his last match. from the stats it seemed a bit closer then wat Ledo did but i didnt watch it so no clue if true or not.
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                          • Cappinpicks
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 03-11-10
                            • 14986

                            #118
                            i guess i was thinking of zhumhur... never seen this scrub play even ledov rolled
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                            • SirtySree
                              SBR MVP
                              • 12-19-13
                              • 2370

                              #119
                              Originally posted by Cappinpicks
                              i guess i was thinking of zhumhur... never seen this scrub play even ledov rolled
                              who is zhumhur lol
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                              • Cappinpicks
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 03-11-10
                                • 14986

                                #120
                                dzumhur
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                                • SirtySree
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 12-19-13
                                  • 2370

                                  #121
                                  dnt c y u would think it was dzumhur who is way out of these guys league. these asian tourneys r for players ranked like 300+ not players nearing the top 100 so very difficult to get confused there
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                                  • fitguy67
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 03-13-11
                                    • 5082

                                    #122
                                    Hey Cap...i can't keep up...because most of the time you think you're calling plays, you aren't...you're just mentioning "play fragments"

                                    from now on...if you want props for your record...you'll have to keep it yourself

                                    just makeke sure each "play" you want to call and eventually want to get props for has these three essential items stated clearly:

                                    *a pick (eg. "Muller", "Muller -4.5", or "Muller/Groth, o22.5")
                                    *a price (either "1.8" or "-125")
                                    *a bet-size (at least one of the "to risk" or "to win" amounts in either $ or units must be stated clearly)...

                                    idea: if you set your unit size to $100, you'll never have to "convert" from $ to units...just move the decimal point 2 places


                                    i've laid an example clearly for you above...but it's probably too complicated for you to maintain..just notice that it's based on a reference Initial bank of 10k and
                                    handy $100 units representing exactly 1% chunks of that initial bank

                                    just stick with whatever you decide...and update every day (see Eaglesphan36's thread) or at least as often as you can (see HardCoar and HoneyBadger's threads)

                                    Eaglesphan36 does it nice and simple: just reports N (net profit), but it's always a perfect reflection of the plays that he's laid out simply but clearly (note that each play has ALL 3 things stated clearly ALL the time : pick/price/bet-size)

                                    I suggest you start with a format like EP's...and if you want to report more things, see how HardCoar and HoneyBadger do things

                                    key ideas
                                    clear statement of plays (each with a pick, a price, and a betsize) +
                                    regular & accurate accounting reports (stating at least "W-L, Net-profit")


                                    now, consider yourself "wised up"...
                                    no more slingin' "play fragments", ok pal
                                    if you call 'em...call'em clearly...and keep track of 'em accurately
                                    ______________
                                    live long and prosper
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                                    • Cappinpicks
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 03-11-10
                                      • 14986

                                      #123
                                      so if i dont bold the players name its too hard for u to comprehend? rofl you should know what price is
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                                      • Cappinpicks
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 03-11-10
                                        • 14986

                                        #124
                                        someone explain how shitty reynolds was anywhere near a favorite let alone -200 to a guy miles ahead of him
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                                        • Cappinpicks
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 03-11-10
                                          • 14986

                                          #125
                                          love when a -200 american has no shot up 6-5 serving rank said it all!
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                                          • Cappinpicks
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 03-11-10
                                            • 14986

                                            #126
                                            LOL at mafaghut -3000 and in big danger now
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                                            • Cappinpicks
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 03-11-10
                                              • 14986

                                              #127
                                              these qualifys have been easier than a cakewalk so far today
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                                              • Cappinpicks
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 03-11-10
                                                • 14986

                                                #128
                                                Darcis 8 units+115 this clear enough for you guy

                                                ward -120 6 units last play
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                                                • Cappinpicks
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 03-11-10
                                                  • 14986

                                                  #129
                                                  Pironkova +1.5 sets -210 5 units
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                                                  • JC1186
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 02-21-14
                                                    • 1070

                                                    #130
                                                    Hmmm think my eyes may be deceiving me.

                                                    Cappin allowing himself to be vulnerable and actually tipping legitimately?

                                                    Well I'll be damned!
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                                                    • Cappinpicks
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 03-11-10
                                                      • 14986

                                                      #131
                                                      Originally posted by JC1186
                                                      Hmmm think my eyes may be deceiving me.

                                                      Cappin allowing himself to be vulnerable and actually tipping legitimately?

                                                      Well I'll be damned!
                                                      been doing it awhile now just never bolded to help out guy's lack of common sense
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                                                      • Cappinpicks
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 03-11-10
                                                        • 14986

                                                        #132
                                                        ward is such a britfag did i really back him goo pironky
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                                                        • Cappinpicks
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 03-11-10
                                                          • 14986

                                                          #133
                                                          gonna have to live bet the stud D-young lucky its only match up
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                                                          • Cappinpicks
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 03-11-10
                                                            • 14986

                                                            #134
                                                            Donald Young (USA,65) 7 vs (WC)James Ward (GBR,155) -120
                                                            another genious line set by our slow punters in vegas whats the public % on this gift?
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                                                            • JC1186
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 02-21-14
                                                              • 1070

                                                              #135
                                                              Originally posted by Cappinpicks
                                                              Darcis 8 units+115 this clear enough for you guy
                                                              Looking like a good bet. The Nadal Slayer in every one of Brands service games.
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                                                              • brodie
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 11-25-13
                                                                • 2212

                                                                #136
                                                                Originally posted by Cappinpicks
                                                                Donald Young (USA,65) 7 vs (WC)James Ward (GBR,155) -120
                                                                another genious line set by our slow punters in vegas whats the public % on this gift?
                                                                young opened as the favorite... public jumped on ward
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                                                                • Cappinpicks
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 03-11-10
                                                                  • 14986

                                                                  #137
                                                                  all in 2nd set young -1000 i love fading britfaggots on home soil
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                                                                  • Cappinpicks
                                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                                    • 03-11-10
                                                                    • 14986

                                                                    #138
                                                                    Originally posted by brodie
                                                                    young opened as the favorite... public jumped on ward
                                                                    public should blow their brains out not like they ever hit a shit rank fav lmfao
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                                                                    • Cappinpicks
                                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                                      • 03-11-10
                                                                      • 14986

                                                                      #139
                                                                      Originally posted by Cappinpicks
                                                                      all in 2nd set young -1000 i love fading britfaggots on home soil
                                                                      -100000 now awesome
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                                                                      • Cappinpicks
                                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                                        • 03-11-10
                                                                        • 14986

                                                                        #140
                                                                        darcis
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