E. Bouchard (2.720) vs S. Stosur (1.524) - Hopman Cup - thoughts ............

ClutchOnandWin · 12-27-13, 05:04 AM

Guess work imo.

SirtySree · 12-27-13, 05:44 AM

Not worth the gamble to be honest. 1 break per set and the +3.5 is gone unless she can force a tie break/3rd set. Also its a nothing game imo so is a coin flip. Not worth the gamble unless you have an itch to make a play to start the season.

minathomas88 · 12-27-13, 06:00 AM

bouchard mate. deff the stronger of the two. and at $2.60 worth a play for sure. she had stosurs measure last year.

ClutchOnandWin · 12-27-13, 06:45 AM

^ She lost 2 sets to 1 to Stosur towards the end of last season and Stosur had a storming finish.

No idea how you figure this one.

Mentally Stosur is a joke in Australia but that may change here, who knows. Just coz you hear of a girl with potential and an ageing player that has mental problems, doesn't mean you have to back the youngster.

If you put a gun to my head and said if you're wrong, the bullet leaves the chamber, I would go Stosur, but that';s if having to make a call.

Bouchard is mentally weak as well, she sprays errors on big points and gets down on herself when she misses opportunities.

By calling no bet here, you're winning long term, whether or not your initial suspicion is right.

minathomas88 · 12-27-13, 07:14 AM

i just personally think stosur is pathetic and one of the worst women tennis players in teh world. if you put a gun to my head and said if im wrong the bullet leaves the chamber, iw ould bet bouchard due to her higher potential.

since you are saying this game is 50/50. if you want to win long term, you bet on the player with the higher odds. which is bouchard.

thanks for coming.

ClutchOnandWin · 12-27-13, 07:51 AM

You think Stosur is the worst player in the world, yet she beat Serena Williams to lift the US Open crown a few years back.

"In translation"

"I hate Sam Stosur, that stupid b**** has cost me tones of money over the last few years, everytime I bet her she chokes and loses and I won't do it anymore! NO! I am betting against that stupid @"@$"@@$"@"@@ everytime she plays a match against a half decent player or good prospect."

This is the mind that a losing, chasing, betting what they cannot afford to lose gambler typically has.

I hope you haven't a wife or kids and are young enough to take this hit and come back a stronger person, early enough so as you haven't sold your soul to the bookmaker.

Thanks for coming.

ClutchOnandWin · 12-27-13, 07:52 AM

ClutchOnandWin · 12-27-13, 07:53 AM

ClutchOnandWin · 12-27-13, 07:55 AM

In other words, Stosur can blow hot or cold and whether she's hot today is a complete coin toss. You're right it is 50/50 and you would be better off taking the underdog but you;d need to take that underdog in every match you make 50/50 from here till the end of the season. Otherwise doing it this one time could count for nothing.

I was simply offering my advice, but the ugly nature of your post made me inclined to expose how stupid you sounded by refering to a former grandslam champion as the worst player in the world.

Again, thanks for coming.

rankslash · 12-27-13, 07:57 AM

Originally posted by ClutchOnandWin

wow that final burried the entire betting community.

I remember it as it was yesterday. Still i don't hate Sam, she looks like a good person. People need to learn how to deal with losses.

Hardcoar · 12-27-13, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by ClutchOnandWin

You think Stosur is the worst player in the world, yet she beat Serena Williams to lift the US Open crown a few years back.

"In translation"

"I hate Sam Stosur, that stupid b**** has cost me tones of money over the last few years, everytime I bet her she chokes and loses and I won't do it anymore! NO! I am betting against that stupid @"@$"@@$"@"@@ everytime she plays a match against a half decent player or good prospect."

This is the mind that a losing, chasing, betting what they cannot afford to lose gambler typically has.

I hope you haven't a wife or kids and are young enough to take this hit and come back a stronger person, early enough so as you haven't sold your soul to the bookmaker.

Thanks for coming.

WOAH KID! Cut down on the hate. That doesn't even qualify as flaming or trolling. I thought I was hardcore but Jerzy DAMN!

ClutchOnandWin · 12-27-13, 05:16 PM

Bro, when someone says, "thanks for coming" after I gave my opinion/advice/insight, they're gonna get it. Don't care.

Hardcoar · 12-27-13, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by rankslash

wow that final burried the entire betting community.

I remember it as it was yesterday. Still i don't hate Sam, she looks like a good person. People need to learn how to deal with losses.

I find there are three basic steps to dealing with (gambling) loss:

1. Never bet more money than you can accept losing.
2. Never allow your bank-roll to depend upon one single result, by wagering too much on it.
3. Don't allow losses to dictate your betting strategy or pattern, by going "all in", "chasing" or overall making larger, riskier, or even more plays.

Hardcoar · 12-27-13, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by ClutchOnandWin

Bro, when someone says, "thanks for coming" after I gave my opinion/advice/insight, they're gonna get it. Don't care.

Damn brah... I don't wanna get within your cross-hairs. I'll try my very hardest to stay out of it.

Best of luck with your endeavors!

Punchy · 12-28-13, 08:29 AM

Sam Choker..... enough said

Is she the most overrated WTA player?

Tmuston Beltics · 12-28-13, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by Punchy

Sam Choker..... enough said

Is she the most overrated WTA player?

List of most overrated WTA players(in top 100)


[2]	2	Azarenka, Victoria	Belarus	31 Jul 1989	8046	16
[3]	3	Li, Na	China	26 Feb 1982	6045	18
[4]	4	Sharapova, Maria	Russia	19 Apr 1987	5891	15
[5]	5	Radwanska, Agnieszka	Poland	06 Mar 1989	5875	21
[6]	6	Kvitova, Petra	Czech Republic	08 Mar 1990	4775	23
[7]	7	Errani, Sara	Italy	29 Apr 1987	4435	22
[8]	8	Jankovic, Jelena	Serbia	28 Feb 1985	4170	20
[9]	9	Kerber, Angelique	Germany	18 Jan 1988	3965	23
[10]	10	Wozniacki, Caroline	Denmark	11 Jul 1990	3520	23
[11]	11	Halep, Simona	Romania	27 Sep 1991	3335	24
[12]	12	Stephens, Sloane	United States	20 Mar 1993	3185	22
[13]	13	Bartoli, Marion	France	02 Oct 1984	3172	18
[14]	14	Vinci, Roberta	Italy	18 Feb 1983	3170	25
[15]	15	Lisicki, Sabine	Germany	22 Sep 1989	2920	20
[16]	16	Ivanovic, Ana	Serbia	06 Nov 1987	2850	22
[17]	17	Suarez Navarro, Carla	Spain	03 Sep 1988	2735	26
[18]	18	Stosur, Samantha	Australia	30 Mar 1984	2675	24
[19]	19	Kirilenko, Maria	Russia	25 Jan 1987	2640	19
[20]	20	Flipkens, Kirsten	Belgium	10 Jan 1986	2495	23
[21]	21	Kuznetsova, Svetlana	Russia	27 Jun 1985	2341	19
[22]	22	Cirstea, Sorana	Romania	07 Apr 1990	2170	26
[23]	23	Cibulkova, Dominika	Slovakia	06 May 1989	2076	24
[24]	24	Makarova, Ekaterina	Russia	07 Jun 1988	2066	19
[25]	25	Vesnina, Elena	Russia	01 Aug 1986	2005	22
[26]	26	Pavlyuchenkova, Anastasia	Russia	03 Jul 1991	1965	23
[27]	27	Cornet, Alize	France	22 Jan 1990	1840	27
[28]	28	Hampton, Jamie	United States	08 Jan 1990	1781	18
[29]	29	Safarova, Lucie	Czech Republic	04 Feb 1987	1775	24
[30]	30	Kanepi, Kaia	Estonia	10 Jun 1985	1768	15
[31]	31	Pennetta, Flavia	Italy	25 Feb 1982	1735	22
[32]	32	Bouchard, Eugenie	Canada	25 Feb 1994	1629	24
[33]	33	Hantuchova, Daniela	Slovakia	23 Apr 1983	1575	26
[34]	34	Barthel, Mona	Germany	11 Jul 1990	1545	23
[35]	35	Zakopalova, Klara	Czech Republic	24 Feb 1982	1535	26
[36]	36	Jovanovski, Bojana	Serbia	31 Dec 1991	1485	20
[37]	37	Rybarikova, Magdalena	Slovakia	04 Oct 1988	1450	23
[38]	38	Keys, Madison	United States	17 Feb 1995	1380	21
[39]	39	Schiavone, Francesca	Italy	23 Jun 1980	1250	27
[40]	40	Radwanska, Urszula	Poland	07 Dec 1990	1245	24
[41]	41	Knapp, Karin	Italy	28 Jun 1987	1237	21
[42]	42	Peng, Shuai	China	08 Jan 1986	1228	19
[43]	43	Petkovic, Andrea	Germany	09 Sep 1987	1217	18
[44]	44	Robson, Laura	United Kingdom	21 Jan 1994	1212	22
[45]	45	Svitolina, Elina	Ukraine	12 Sep 1994	1160	27
[46]	46	Erakovic, Marina	New Zealand	06 Mar 1988	1150	23
[47]	47	Williams, Venus	United States	17 Jun 1980	1147	14
[48]	48	Mattek-Sands, Bethanie	United States	23 Mar 1985	1144	18
[49]	49	Meusburger, Yvonne	Austria	03 Oct 1983	1138	22
[50]	50	Voegele, Stefanie	Switzerland	10 Mar 1990	1130	22
[51]	51	Wickmayer, Yanina	Belgium	20 Oct 1989	1127	27
[52]	52	Zhang, Shuai	China	21 Jan 1989	1113	23
[53]	53	Zheng, Jie	China	05 Jul 1983	1103	19
[54]	54	Lepchenko, Varvara	United States	21 May 1986	1087	25
[56]	55	Mladenovic, Kristina	France	14 May 1993	1075	25
[55]	56	Puig, Monica	Puerto Rico	27 Sep 1993	1061	24
[57]	57	Riske, Alison	United States	03 Jul 1990	1060	27
[58]	58	Beck, Annika	Germany	16 Feb 1994	1046	29
[59]	59	Niculescu, Monica	Romania	25 Sep 1987	1035	25
[60]	60	Morita, Ayumi	Japan	11 Mar 1990	1022	26
[61]	61	Cadantu, Alexandra	Romania	03 May 1990	967	28
[62]	62	Ormaechea, Paula	Argentina	28 Sep 1992	954	20
[63]	63	Muguruza, Garbine	Spain	08 Oct 1993	933	17
[64]	64	Torro-Flor, Maria-Teresa	Spain	02 May 1992	925	27
[65]	65	Hercog, Polona	Slovenia	20 Jan 1991	902	18
[66]	66	McHale, Christina	United States	11 May 1992	882	24
[67]	67	Voskoboeva, Galina	Kazakhstan	18 Dec 1984	877	20
[68]	68	Tsurenko, Lesia	Ukraine	30 May 1989	872	22
[69]	69	Dominguez Lino, Lourdes	Spain	31 Mar 1981	842	26
[70]	70	Davis, Lauren	United States	09 Oct 1993	841	23
[71]	71	Pliskova, Karolina	Czech Republic	21 Mar 1992	839	33
[72]	72	Goerges, Julia	Germany	02 Nov 1988	836	27
[73]	73	Garcia, Caroline	France	16 Oct 1993	811	28
[74]	74	Date-Krumm, Kimiko	Japan	28 Sep 1970	806	21
[75]	75	Cepelova, Jana	Slovakia	29 May 1993	801	25
[76]	76	Peer, Shahar	Israel	01 May 1987	801	25
[77]	77	Tomljanovic, Ajla	Croatia	07 May 1993	798	24
[78]	78	Oprandi, Romina	Switzerland	29 Mar 1986	797	16
[79]	79	Shvedova, Yaroslava	Kazakhstan	12 Sep 1987	795	20
[80]	80	Scheepers, Chanelle	South Africa	13 Mar 1984	790	25
[81]	81	Nara, Kurumi	Japan	30 Dec 1991	778	25
[82]	82	Soler-Espinosa, Silvia	Spain	19 Nov 1987	773	27
[83]	83	Schmiedlova, Anna	Slovakia	13 Sep 1994	764	23
[84]	84	Larsson, Johanna	Sweden	17 Aug 1988	753	26
[85]	85	King, Vania	United States	03 Feb 1989	751	19
[86]	86	Hsieh, Su-Wei	Chinese Taipei	04 Jan 1986	750	26
[87]	87	Bertens, Kiki	Netherlands	10 Dec 1991	737	20
[88]	88	Babos, Timea	Hungary	10 May 1993	735	25
[89]	89	Kumkhum, Luksika	Thailand	21 Jul 1993	730	19
[90]	90	Doi, Misaki	Japan	29 Apr 1991	724	32
[91]	91	Glushko, Julia	Israel	01 Jan 1990	716	29
[92]	92	Mayr-Achleitner, Patricia	Austria	08 Nov 1986	714	26
[93]	93	Govortsova, Olga	Belarus	23 Aug 1988	710	22
[94]	94	Zahlavova Strycova, Barbora	Czech Republic	28 Mar 1986	704	15
[95]	95	Pfizenmaier, Dinah	Germany	13 Jan 1992	698	26
[96]	96	Vekic, Donna	Croatia	28 Jun 1996	696	16
[98]	97	Pereira, Teliana	Brazil	20 Jul 1988	682	29
[97]	98	Giorgi, Camila	Italy	31 Dec 1991	671	15
[99]	99	Razzano, Virginie	France	12 May 1983	666	23
[100]	100	Medina Garrigues, Anabel	Spain	31 Jul 1982	665	26

ClutchOnandWin · 12-28-13, 09:20 AM

LOL!^