Do Asians have inside information?

[HeeeHAWWWW]

not so much. books watch the market very closely (themselves or through a company like betradar), if something strange is happening on betfair or in asia, they will take the game off the board, possibly without ever taking one bet on the game themselves. if a few cut it, the rest will always follow suit, especially on these kinds of obscure matches they will only take a few bets on anyway.

Fair point - although what happened was all books had multiple odds drops before removing, they were all pretty slow about removing the market. The last was sportsbook.com, when their price had been whacked all the way down to -300 :-)

[Kaoru]

Wasn't there a news last week or so, spreadex commented on abnormal betting (forgot which league, was it english championship?) pattern from two asian books, namely ibcbet and sbobet.

They could have an inside news but I believe most of them were hit hard by foreign punters, enough for them to price the side lower. Usually minor leagues have bigger spread and pretty low max bet. Any player who bet a max bet on the game can bring down 5-10pts on the odds, collapse if 3 or more punters hitting at max bet several times.

[citlec]

Any fixed game alert.

Greece Div 2
Olympiakos V. v Apollon Kalamarias

3-1 traded as low as 6.6
Draw/Olympiakos V as low as 2.50

Correct score 1-0 in the 1st half

[4Eigner]

"The Fix" Soccer and Organised Crime - by Declan Hill. This book should be a "must" for every bettor. Just few dollars for a really good story.

according to this i would say that the game was fixed by asian/malaysian "groups" - the big stakes @ asian bokkies kept the odds down.

I think this is why.

[HeeeHAWWWW]

Wasn't there a news last week or so, spreadex commented on abnormal betting (forgot which league, was it english championship?) pattern from two asian books, namely ibcbet and sbobet.

Yes :-) Huge halftime bet, then the goalkeeper is sent off soon afterwards. Rumour has it said goalkeeper has a gambling problem.......

[citlec]

i ordered this book last week. Im looking forward to reading it.

This game is in the 54th minute. 2-0 and Under 2.5 is 1.27

[fiveteamer]

Asians do not know shit. They just bet and bet large amounts.

Ever stand behind a Chinaman while he makes his bets at the track?

He will be 127 number combos on one race, and then wave the winning ticket around after the finish.

[noyb]

"The Fix" Soccer and Organised Crime - by Declan Hill. This book should be a "must" for every bettor. Just few dollars for a really good story.

true, awesome book

[citlec]

This greek game was fixed for 2-0. I couldnt believe the odds being offered for this game at half time when the score was 2-0.

2-0 was 1.40 on betfair and unders was 1.40 at half time.

When the score was 1-0 the asians just wouldnt change the over and under to over 2 they kept it at over/under at 2/2.5 with high odds then when the 2nd goal went in and at half time they was offering over/under 2.5/3 odds of 3.00 for over. I watched this game live and i was amazed at the not trying to score run of the game. It was quite funny actually.

Offering high odds on a game with 45 mins to go will draw alot of people in to bet the prices if they wasnt none the wiser.

[noyb]

This greek game was fixed for 2-0. I couldnt believe the odds being offered for this game at half time when the score was 2-0.

2-0 was 1.40 on betfair and unders was 1.40 at half time.

When the score was 1-0 the asians just wouldnt change the over and under to over 2 they kept it at over/under at 2/2.5 with high odds then when the 2nd goal went in and at half time they was offering over/under 2.5/3 odds of 3.00 for over. I watched this game live and i was amazed at the not trying to score run of the game. It was quite funny actually.

Offering high odds on a game with 45 mins to go will draw alot of people in to bet the prices if they wasnt none the wiser.

i saw it too. very entertaining, terribly boring though (one team had continous possesion, just keeping the ball in the middle and if ever a striker got the ball he did his best to pass it back as fast as possible or shoot wide at least 20 metres from the goal).

the only reason i was watching hoping for some kind of fluke goal, and seeing what would happen then. about 5 minutes before the end one of the guys out of nowhere hit the ball from far towards goal, it rebounded off one of the defenders and the goalkeeper only just managed to save it (great save i must say). would have been classic if it wouldve gone in.

[HeeeHAWWWW]

There was one fixed game in Italy a couple of years back, where obviously one player hadn't been told. He scored, and the reaction of his team mates was hilarious.

Then there was some African Cup game, where both teams were trying to lose - not because of fixed, but because they wanted to finish 2nd in the group rather than first, because next round opponents were known. They both ended up attacking their own goals......

[etothep]

There was one fixed game in Italy a couple of years back, where obviously one player hadn't been told. He scored, and the reaction of his team mates was hilarious.

Then there was some African Cup game, where both teams were trying to lose - not because of fixed, but because they wanted to finish 2nd in the group rather than first, because next round opponents were known. They both ended up attacking their own goals......

haha, would love to see vids of both those

[noyb]

There was one fixed game in Italy a couple of years back, where obviously one player hadn't been told. He scored, and the reaction of his team mates was hilarious.

Then there was some African Cup game, where both teams were trying to lose - not because of fixed, but because they wanted to finish 2nd in the group rather than first, because next round opponents were known. They both ended up attacking their own goals......

in the declan hill book there's even mention of an italian fix in which the wrong team scored by accident, and the coach of one team called the coach of the other team while in their dugouts in rage to ask them wtf they think they are doing. too bad the call was listened in to by police...

also an example from the ghana league were both teams needing to win with bigger numbers than the other to get promotion end up winning 31-0 and 28-0 (after both being only 1-0 up at half time) .

the guy said it already, but the declan hill-book really is a must-have fior anyone interested. hilarious anecdotes but also some very very interesting stuff.

[APK]

Check the odds drop on the away team in tomorrow's Greek cup match.

[Kaoru]

I've the book since last month but never have the time to read it. Maybe I'll start next week

in the declan hill book there's even mention of an italian fix in which the wrong team scored by accident, and the coach of one team called the coach of the other team while in their dugouts in rage to ask them wtf they think they are doing. too bad the call was listened in to by police...

also an example from the ghana league were both teams needing to win with bigger numbers than the other to get promotion end up winning 31-0 and 28-0 (after both being only 1-0 up at half time) .

the guy said it already, but the declan hill-book really is a must-have fior anyone interested. hilarious anecdotes but also some very very interesting stuff.

[citlec]

i saw it too. very entertaining, terribly boring though (one team had continous possesion, just keeping the ball in the middle and if ever a striker got the ball he did his best to pass it back as fast as possible or shoot wide at least 20 metres from the goal).

the only reason i was watching hoping for some kind of fluke goal, and seeing what would happen then. about 5 minutes before the end one of the guys out of nowhere hit the ball from far towards goal, it rebounded off one of the defenders and the goalkeeper only just managed to save it (great save i must say). would have been classic if it wouldve gone in.

If that goal had of gone in Noyb then i just wonder how many of the 22 players would have finished the match alive.

You just got the feel that who organised this fix was in the crowd with his mob cause the players was just shitting themselves everytime they got the ball

[citlec]

I would have loved to have seen that African Cup game, it would have been well funny

[APK]

Watch the odds for Terek Groznyi go down for tomorrow's game in the Russian Premier League.

[APK]

1.33 matched on the home team.

[acw]

Our good friend Ido from Internet1x2 still has them at 2.2

[noyb]

back up to 1.60 now

the big question always is: is it really a fix, or someone manipulating the market. it doesn't take that much money creating a fake move, letting others believe something is going on, and buying back your bet at a much lower price.

[fearless]

Watch the movie "Bookies". I think that movie is pretty realistic.

[APK]

back up to 1.60 now

the big question always is: is it really a fix, or someone manipulating the market. it doesn't take that much money creating a fake move, letting others believe something is going on, and buying back your bet at a much lower price.

Fair enough, but every bookie I know has pulled out....

[acw]

the big question always is: is it really a fix,

If they win, yes and if they do not win, no.
Some books absolutely love these type of matches:
12/17/2004 01:26 AM
SBR Bill Dozer reports: sportsinteraction (SBR rating D+) cheats player of winning wager. SIA has voided a wager on the UEFA cup match between Panionios and Dynamo Tblisi, citing that the match was fixed. SIA admits to suspecting that the match was tainted well before the start of the event yet they did not cancel this player’s wager until the game had concluded. SIA claims that they waited to void the wager in order to verify that the match was indeed fixed. These actions are unacceptable as the player risked his funds without the possibility of winning. If this wager had lost, and the event appeared unscripted, the player would have lost his funds.

[HeeeHAWWWW]

back up to 1.60 now

the big question always is: is it really a fix, or someone manipulating the market. it doesn't take that much money creating a fake move, letting others believe something is going on, and buying back your bet at a much lower price.

This one looks like a rumour that got out of control. There was an odds drop on Terek, nothing unusual, then it spiralled. People started arbing against books, who promptly pulled the market.

Thus: prices dropping, markets being pulled, huge amount matched on betfair. Looks immediately like a fix, and others piled in ........ it all snowballs and you get a huge odds drop.

[Betaddict]

I have one question regarding the market, if someone knows

I know that bookies pulls the market when asians, pinny and betfair odds change and the arbers appears.

But my question is between asians, pinny and betfair. They're almost in line with each other. Who do you think is the market maker and whom of these follow the others?

My tip is Betfair is the market maker and the others (pinny and asians) just follow it. Am I right?

Regards

[kiwi]

My tip is Betfair is the market maker and the others (pinny and asians) just follow it. Am I right?

Regards

No, normally in soccer Betfair follows the movements in Asia (of course there are some exceptions).

[acw]

Terek Grozny did not win, so no fix. Books that took bets on it, can keep their money.

1.33 matched on the home team.

So how much did you lose?

[noyb]

I have one question regarding the market, if someone knows

I know that bookies pulls the market when asians, pinny and betfair odds change and the arbers appears.

But my question is between asians, pinny and betfair. They're almost in line with each other. Who do you think is the market maker and whom of these follow the others?

My tip is Betfair is the market maker and the others (pinny and asians) just follow it. Am I right?

Regards

depends on the sport imo. tennis fixes start at betfair, most soccer fixes definitely start in asia.

[noyb]

Terek Grozny did not win, so no fix. Books that took bets on it, can keep their money.

Nalchik - Tomsk definitely was a fix though (draw down to 1.40), and there were 1 or 2 other games in the weekend a bit suspicious to say the least. the funny thing is, besides us bettors nobody seems to care.

[APK]

Terek Grozny did not win, so no fix. Books that took bets on it, can keep their money.


So how much did you lose?

You win some and you lose some.
Overall profit this week, so I'm not complaining.

I think there's another three rounds to play in Russia and I wouldn't be surprised to see more strange results the coming weeks.

[acw]

Nalchik - Tomsk definitely was a fix though (draw down to 1.40), and there were 1 or 2 other games in the weekend a bit suspicious to say the least. the funny thing is, besides us bettors nobody seems to care.

More likely everyone knows! Look at Italian football at the end of the season. I simply never bet on these matches nor am I interested in them. Earlier I was mentioning that books will always take profit from a so called fixed match. Things can get worse, as sites like BetFair will even report your "crooked" winnings to authorities and will you get back any money, if you lose?

[Frank]

Nalchik - Tomsk definitely was a fix though (draw down to 1.40), and there were 1 or 2 other games in the weekend a bit suspicious to say the least. the funny thing is, besides us bettors nobody seems to care.

At one point the draw was as low as 1.31

[HeeeHAWWWW]

Yeah, the Nalchik match stunk. Apparently a few books are refusing to pay out....