BetVictor closed my account after ONE bet and is currently holding my funds

[Thremp]

How do you not remember your own posting history? Why won't you take my bet?

Working people are very poor. You said you weren't a professional. That would mean you're incompetent since anyone who can't make money is incompetent. Why are you so bad at logic? You claim to be at BetFair? They only have markets in large and liquid markets. So you can't bet there ipso facto without betting large liquid markets. You claimed to be an advantage player yet had a job and don't make routine 5 figure bets, so you're a p00r. I don't understand how you can't understand this. I guess if you actually bet, it'd be pretty easy to understand this, but whatever. Maybe this is like the time Justin7 said that you make more money when books correctly profile you than when you don't. That was entertaining as well, but I think he wins since its really hard not to win and he doesn't say completely ridiculous stuff. He also strongarmed Victor into paying me by wielding the "SBR will b mad" authority over their lies and fraud.

20k bet Hareeba, winner stays.

How am I cowardly as well? I can help buy you a dictionary. There are free online ones, but old people struggle with modern technology look @ Steve Jobs. He's dead now.

[Hareeba!]

How do you not remember your own posting history? Why won't you take my bet?

Working people are very poor. You said you weren't a professional. That would mean you're incompetent since anyone who can't make money is incompetent. Why are you so bad at logic? You claim to be at BetFair? They only have markets in large and liquid markets. So you can't bet there ipso facto without betting large liquid markets. You claimed to be an advantage player yet had a job and don't make routine 5 figure bets, so you're a p00r. I don't understand how you can't understand this. I guess if you actually bet, it'd be pretty easy to understand this, but whatever. Maybe this is like the time Justin7 said that you make more money when books correctly profile you than when you don't. That was entertaining as well, but I think he wins since its really hard not to win and he doesn't say completely ridiculous stuff. He also strongarmed Victor into paying me by wielding the "SBR will b mad" authority over their lies and fraud.

20k bet Hareeba, winner stays.

How am I cowardly as well? I can help buy you a dictionary. There are free online ones, but old people struggle with modern technology look @ Steve Jobs. He's dead now.

One who posts lies about another but is never prepared to face up to demands to justify them is a coward.

I'm fed up with your crap insults and ignorant assertions about me. Not interested in arguing them.

The only thing I demand is you to prove your false claims about me or retract them with an apology. Else I demand that you be removed permanently from SBR.

[Thremp]

How are you in any position to place demands upon me when what I claim is self-evident and on the basis of truth?

I offered you a chance to get 20k and you gave tacit omission of your long history of deception here.

[Hareeba!]

How are you in any position to place demands upon me when what I claim is self-evident and on the basis of truth?

I offered you a chance to get 20k and you gave tacit omission of your long history of deception here.

Just look at who's having problems with logic!!

YOU are the accuser.

I have every right to demand that you prove your accusations. EVERY RIGHT!

As for the wager, I've already told you many times that I lost interest in that following your continual crapping on about definitions of lies. What YOU regard as a lie appears to be something you disagree with; a statement which you've totally mis-comprehended and put your own interpretation on; information posted in good faith which later proves to have been inaccurate; etc. etc. etc.

A LIE is simply an intentional misrepresentation of fact.

Now show me just one such lie posted by me. You shouldn't have any difficulty as you've accused me of posting numerous lies. Continued failure to do so makes YOU the LIAR.

PUT UP OR STFU FOREVER.

[shari91]

shari,

Apparently I can't PM you. Are you really questioning whether Hareeba has claimed that regulated books in reputable jurisdictions don't comingle funds and have overseeing bodies that enforce this? I think we're all aware that no regulatory body actually does this (As proven by the SportsAlive case). Would you like me to post the OED definition of lie? I'm really confused why you would infract me when I posted something completely obvious that is readily available on the internet via his posting history.

NB: For bonus points you can search for his personal rankings of sportsbooks and the requirements which exhibit delusion or madness. (IE If a company must be regulated, then you rank books such as Matchy/Pinny high up without a strong regulatory body overseeing them... You're nuts.) I'm pretty sure with a little digging you can find the others.

I'd appreciate if you would not infract me for posting fact based evidence to prevent noobs from being mislead by the most dishonest poster on this message board.

Hi Thremp -

I thought I gave a crystal clear explanation of why I gave you a warning - I could not PM you as they're shut off and that's the only way I have to communicate with you.

I will say this: Hareeba has said a lot of things. As has John, you, MF, durito, Ganch, etc....

As a silent observer I want the truth. Not silly I'm sharper than you but just help flat out. Which you obviously need as well because thank f you finally admitted you'd busted out! You're human!!!

I watch all of you - from Justin7 to MF to durito to silly thremp and 100 other people - try to prove their smartness. And I'm talking about some of my best friends here. But really, there's no need for this shit thremp... Hareeba knows a shitload about Aussie books. As does Santo. I also have heard you've been f'd over from books but for most of us, we're way below that ever happening. We're just normal bettors trying to make a buck.

As I said I have no problem with you trashing another poster's credibility - but in this forum, back your stuff up with facts. I truly don't care either way - if you say Pinny is good or shithouse it won't hurt my heart. It's time to stop.

[Thremp]

Okay shari. I won't call Hareeba a liar until I link his previous posts showing where he intentionally deceives people. But after that, can I keep referring to him as Hareeba: Most Dishonest Poster on SBR (Non-Paid category)?

I hope you're doing well too.

[durito]

hareeba doesn't know anything about anything. he is the second most worthless (bubba) frequent contributor of this section of the forum.

[Hareeba!]

hareeba doesn't know anything about anything. he is the second most worthless (bubba) frequent contributor of this section of the forum.

Another coward to the fore!

Very happy to post insults but never to point out just what it is he disagrees with me about.

SBR most certainly appears to have a way of attracting society's most undesirable types.

[Thremp]

If you weren't aged to the fringe of infirmity, I'd challenge you to a duel.

Show you who the real coward is.

[durito]

Another coward to the fore!

Very happy to post insults but never to point out just what it is he disagrees with me about.

SBR most certainly appears to have a way of attracting society's most undesirable types.

You don't contribute anything other than the same pointless drivel about only playing at books that don't take Americans (like greek/pinny are really on this list).

Or the part about matchbook usually having the best price on US sports with good liquidity. I'm looking at 6M in bets this year on us sports and not one came at matchbook. But sure their prices can't be beat.

[Hareeba!]

You don't contribute anything other than the same pointless drivel about only playing at books that don't take Americans (like greek/pinny are really on this list).

Or the part about matchbook usually having the best price on US sports with good liquidity. I'm looking at 6M in bets this year on us sports and not one came at matchbook. But sure their prices can't be beat.

You mustn't have read enough of my posts. I've commented in many threads on subjects nothing to do with US serving books. But yes, for those who don't live in the US I am most certainly of the view that they need not take the added risk of playing of those inferior books. It's not 'drivel' in my and several others' view and I'll stand by my belief in that but of course you are free to have an opposing view. Don't know what you mean by throwing Pinnacle and Greek into your response though?

In my experience if you are betting closer to the games (as more often than not I do due to time zone) Matchbook do have the best odds and reasonable enough liquidity for my purposes. Certainly better and more than Betfair most of the time. Of course for bigger punters they may have to bet at Pinnacle or Greek or elsewhere if the liquidity isn't there. That is about what I've posted on the issue. It is fact, not lies. All you have to do is look at Matchbook's odds say within a couple of hours of the games and you will find that mostly what I say is the case. Others have supported what I've posted on that issue. It may not suit you to bet there but that doesn't invalidate my contributions on the topic.

[durito]

I'm going to have go with thremp here then and ask why you don't have all the money in the world?

If you bet right before game time into the razor sharp lines dealt at matchbook and you are a winner, you should be filthy rich by now.

For the rest of mere mortals keeping 50%+ of our net worth's in "inferior" books is a necessity, I've got mouths to feed.

[Thremp]

shari, you starting to understand my feeling of intentionally deceptive?

I mean even Justin came into a thread and took the outlandish position that betting +104 was better than +102. If Justin and I agree that betting better prices is better, who knows what could really happen!!!

Matchbook4lyfe. Large limits liquid markets for happy meal stakes. Large liquid markets and no substantial Pinny winners

[Hareeba!]

I'm going to have go with thremp here then and ask why you don't have all the money in the world?

If you bet right before game time into the razor sharp lines dealt at matchbook and you are a winner, you should be filthy rich by now.

For the rest of mere mortals keeping 50%+ of our net worth's in "inferior" books is a necessity, I've got mouths to feed.

I've never claimed to be a big punter or make a lot of money or be a genius at this caper. I don't class myself as either 'filthy rich' or 'poor'. My personal betting and finances are really not relevant to this argument as I've never posted about them and won't.

Neither have I commented about the merits or not of betting into 'razor sharp lines'. My point has simply been that at the times I've been active in the US sports market, Matchbook has offered the best odds. And yes they have been good enough for me to be in front doing so.

Yes, as I've said countless times, if you are stuck in the US I guess you don't have the options we in the free world have. But that doesn't invalidate my point that if you are more fortunate you're best advised not to play at those books.

[durito]

I do not live in the usa and even if I did I would still have access to all the books in the world.

[Hareeba!]

I do not live in the usa and even if I did I would still have access to all the books in the world.

Ok, but does that invalidate anything I've said?

You may like to disagree about the relative safety of playing at the US serving books and that's fine but I don't think it fair to call my position 'drivel'.

[Thremp]

Are you claiming that there are no US punters at Pinnacle or Matchbook? Or that you cannot get access inside the US?

You do realize that Pinnacle is not pure post-up? Or are you so ignorant that you're passing this consistent oversight as a lack of intention? Instead of being malevolent, you're just so naive and unwilling to learn that that is why you appear as a liar?

[brettels]

Happy mothers day Shari xoxo

[Hareeba!]

Are you claiming that there are no US punters at Pinnacle or Matchbook? Or that you cannot get access inside the US?

You do realize that Pinnacle is not pure post-up? Or are you so ignorant that you're passing this consistent oversight as a lack of intention? Instead of being malevolent, you're just so naive and unwilling to learn that that is why you appear as a liar?

I have previously acknowledged that it is more than likely that some US punters have found a way to bet at Pinnacle. However it is contrary to policy and really totally irrelevant to my conversations with and demands on you to prove your accusations.

[Thremp]

"Contrary to policy"? You sir, are a liar.

I don't even need to quote a post to prove you're a liar. You managed to post another fabrication since it must be hard to control that repetitive lying trait so deeply ingrained in your society. Thieves and criminals are all alike.

shari, can you remove my infraction? Thanks!

[Hareeba!]

Can residents of the United States play at Pinnacle Sports?

Pinnacle Sports does not accept bets from the United States of America. Pinnacle Sports reserves the right to request proof of residence, perform checks to verify any information provided and refuse any application without further correspondence.

[brettels]

All this has to do with bet victor HOW?

[Thremp]

You actually believe that? Would you bet me that I can get a Pinnacle credit account via an agent and place a bet under a US IP?

It is funny how you believe everything you read over the internet. Maybe you are dumb enough that you aren't malevolent. PS: Where do they mention the credit side of their business on that website? Do you think it exists? Do you think people repeatedly lie about the existence of credit?

They've already posted a fraudulent video here on SBR where they make up lies and random nonsense. Yet you consider their website believable? How many penis enlargement products have you purchased? Are you stunned that after buying 20 of these, you don't have a 6 foot long dong?

[Hareeba!]

You actually believe that? Would you bet me that I can get a Pinnacle credit account via an agent and place a bet under a US IP?

It is funny how you believe everything you read over the internet. Maybe you are dumb enough that you aren't malevolent. PS: Where do they mention the credit side of their business on that website? Do you think it exists? Do you think people repeatedly lie about the existence of credit?

They've already posted a fraudulent video here on SBR where they make up lies and random nonsense. Yet you consider their website believable? How many penis enlargement products have you purchased? Are you stunned that after buying 20 of these, you don't have a 6 foot long dong?

I said POLICY!

Why can't you comprehend what I post instead up making up lies about everything?

I already said that I acknowledge that it happens.

Drink driving, child porn and narcotics are illegal (well at least in Australia) but they all happen.

[Hareeba!]

All this has to do with bet victor HOW?

Absolutely nothing.

Blame the moderators for permitting Thremp to behave the way he does.

[MonkeyF0cker]

I said POLICY!

Why can't you comprehend what I post instead up making up lies about everything?

I already said that I acknowledge that it happens.

Drink driving, child porn and narcotics are illegal (well at least in Australia) but they all happen.

A policy means more than words on a website. It is a course of action.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Absolutely nothing.

Blame the moderators for permitting Thremp to behave the way he does.

In all fairness, you were the one to confront him - completely off-topic.

[Hareeba!]

In all fairness, you were the one to confront him - completely off-topic.

As far as this thread is concerned, yes. I plead guilty. But I've already posted my justification for that.

But that wouldn't have been necessary if the mods had done what they should have long before that.

And all his subsequent posts continuing to call me a liar without substantiation just prove my point.

[Thremp]

How do you not understand what policy means? They accept known US customers via agents and accept bets via US IPs. They allow this. They know this. This is part of their business model.

I have already shown how they will spread misinformation for their own benefit. Yet you think a few words on a website are indicative of their policy. Perhaps you are so naive that you can't intentionally spread errant information. Instead you are just extremely stupid. You never addressed any of my questions. You simply copied a retarded item from the postup site without addressing the credit part of their operation.

Do you think it exists? If not, do you feel people are continually lying about its existence? How would you know anything about a book other than what is on the website with your current worldview? A book spreads misinformation and you still take its website as gospel.

[mrmarket]

Hi Thremp -

I thought I gave a crystal clear explanation of why I gave you a warning - I could not PM you as they're shut off and that's the only way I have to communicate with you.

I will say this: Hareeba has said a lot of things. As has John, you, MF, durito, Ganch, etc....

As a silent observer I want the truth. Not silly I'm sharper than you but just help flat out. Which you obviously need as well because thank f you finally admitted you'd busted out! You're human!!!

I watch all of you - from Justin7 to MF to durito to silly thremp and 100 other people - try to prove their smartness. And I'm talking about some of my best friends here. But really, there's no need for this shit thremp... Hareeba knows a shitload about Aussie books. As does Santo. I also have heard you've been f'd over from books but for most of us, we're way below that ever happening. We're just normal bettors trying to make a buck.

As I said I have no problem with you trashing another poster's credibility - but in this forum, back your stuff up with facts. I truly don't care either way - if you say Pinny is good or shithouse it won't hurt my heart. It's time to stop.

There is no doubt that Thremp is abrasive and he's been consistent about this for a long time over a few boards but his personality is irrelevant. What should be examined is the arguments and in this case Thremp is right. There is 0% chance pinnacle does not accept US action. Gaming regulatory bodies give the illusion of safety and I don't know anyone who makes the decision whether to play at a book or not based on that.

VC is a shit book period for every class of player and should be rated F. You don't have to be particularly sharp to get banned there. Their doc runaround tactics are well known and they've been doing it for many years. They were complicit 3 years ago when ipoker started banning poker players for taking liquidity out of the market as well.

And the excuse that it's a square shop doesn't hold water. There are other square shops around (WH, paddypower etc.) who are similar but do not suffer from the same problems.

[Hareeba!]

There is no doubt that Thremp is abrasive and he's been consistent about this for a long time over a few boards but his personality is irrelevant. What should be examined is the arguments and in this case Thremp is right. There is 0% chance pinnacle does not accept US action. Gaming regulatory bodies give the illusion of safety and I don't know anyone who makes the decision whether to play at a book or not based on that.

VC is a shit book period for every class of player and should be rated F. You don't have to be particularly sharp to get banned there. Their doc runaround tactics are well known and they've been doing it for many years. They were complicit 3 years ago when ipoker started banning poker players for taking liquidity out of the market as well.

And the excuse that it's a square shop doesn't hold water. There are other square shops around (WH, paddypower etc.) who are similar but do not suffer from the same problems.

Thanks MrMarket, but that really isn't the issue. What I posted about it does not constitute a lie.

And neither does anything else I've posted which Thremp keeps accusing me of lying about. That is the issue here. Simple as that. Nothing else.

[Thremp]

So you're saying they don't knowingly accepts US customers?

That is an intentional misrepresentation. Ergo a lie. Please brush up on English. You've already lied about what a policy is.

[Hareeba!]

So you're saying they don't knowingly accepts US customers?

That is an intentional misrepresentation. Ergo a lie. Please brush up on English. You've already lied about what a policy is.

Firstly I didn't say that. You are again putting words into my mouth.

YOU ARE JUST TOO FULL OF CRAP

YOU ARE YET TO JUSTIFY ONE SINGLE ACCUSATION YOU HAVE MADE AGAINST ME.

God only knows why the moderators permit you keep posting them. This would have to be most poorly moderated forum anywhere.

[Thremp]

So you know that Pinnacle knowingly accepts US customers? Correct?

Or did you not know what "policy" meant and you got confused again?

I mean, it is apparent to multiple other people posting in this thread that Pinnacle knowingly takes bets from US citizens/residents under US IPs, but you have made statements contrary to this. You are either have a delusional view of the world or are lying.

I guess deluded liars can continue to lie to themselves.

shari, can you weigh in on this? I think its pretty clear that Pinnacle takes US credit players via agents (and bets from US IPs, but that isn't a big deal. People gotta hit some vacation). Yet Hareeba keeps quoting nonsense statements and sticking his head in the sand. Is that intentionally misleading? I'd get Justin7 to arbitrate, but apparently he's too PAID to handle my dispute without the bonus of 20k from Hareeba to float me (My EV has gotta be like 20k- Justin7 arb fee).

[Hareeba!]

So you know that Pinnacle knowingly accepts US customers? Correct?

Or did you not know what "policy" meant and you got confused again?

I mean, it is apparent to multiple other people posting in this thread that Pinnacle knowingly takes bets from US citizens/residents under US IPs, but you have made statements contrary to this. You are either have a delusional view of the world or are lying.

I guess deluded liars can continue to lie to themselves.

shari, can you weigh in on this? I think its pretty clear that Pinnacle takes US credit players via agents (and bets from US IPs, but that isn't a big deal. People gotta hit some vacation). Yet Hareeba keeps quoting nonsense statements and sticking his head in the sand. Is that intentionally misleading? I'd get Justin7 to arbitrate, but apparently he's too PAID to handle my dispute without the bonus of 20k from Hareeba to float me (My EV has gotta be like 20k- Justin7 arb fee).

I have no interest in engaging in any new debates with you.

I am still waiting, as I have been for a year or so for you to provide any evidence of a lie which I've posted anywhere.

Reminder:
LIE is a DELIBERATE MIS-STATEMENT of fact.