5Dimes Grading for Tennis

Hareeba! · 08-10-10, 09:58 PM

Tennis rules do vary from bookie to bookie
Most void on retirements
Some settle on the winner regardless - is that what 5Dimes do?
Some require two completed sets - I think Greek is one of those?
The best - Pinnacle and BetFair settle on the winner after one completed set but void if the first set isn't completed.

Make sure you know the rules of the book you are playing at
If they settle based on their rules you have no cause for complaint
If you don't like their rules, don't bet or find one who's rules suit you
And arbers need to be particularly careful not to be caught out betting at books with different rules

shari91 · 08-10-10, 10:10 PM

Originally posted by BET THE HOOK

Let me first start by saying that I love all the wagering options at this book and the quick payouts. I do however hate the way they grade tennis. If you have a wager on a player who is winning the match and for whatever reason they get injured and quit all bets on that player are graded a LOSS. At best they should be NO ACTION like at the other GRADE A books. This stupid rule has cost me money so many times I could spit. If I had those same wagers elsewhere they would be reverted down to the next smaller parlay or NO ACTION if they were straight wagers. Tony need to get this fixed but when you call the book they dont care at all. Any ideas other than dropping the book?

If a player retires before the first set's completed, that's when you get a voided bet. That's one of both the positives and negatives about 5Dimes tennis wagering: At another book, if a player retires at any point you would get no action on your bet even if your player was about to close out the match as we saw yesterday when Petrova retired down 5-3 in the 2nd set. However if you had bet that same match at 5Dimes, you would have been paid with McHale as a big dog winner as she won the first set.

It works for and against you depending on the situation. 5Dimes is known for this tennis rule so if you feel you'll be caused more grief than good out of it all, I'd suggest you place your straight tennis wagers elsewhere.

Domestic · 08-10-10, 10:23 PM

Most books I have played at would grade that as a push. Bit surprised 5dimes didn't.

shari91 · 08-10-10, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by Domestic

Most books I have played at would grade that as a push. Bit surprised 5dimes didn't.

If you were on Petrova? Yeah, but from the flipside I know I've been stung many times when a player was cruising through a match, the other player retires and I get paid nothing whereas if I had bet it at 5Dimes and they'd made it through the first set, I'd end up getting paid. Usually a retirement comes at the hands of the losing player so 5Dimes can actually work in your favour. But yeah, it sucks if you were on the person who ended up retiring after the first set was completed. Especially in the manner that Petrova did it - those people on McHale and the over got robbed because she couldn't be bothered to stay out there for one more game.

ToNyyy · 08-11-10, 12:05 AM

It does suck. That's one of the negatives about 5D

Kaabee · 08-11-10, 12:38 AM

pinnacle and matchbook have same rule, 1st set complete=action

LMAOFISH · 08-11-10, 12:41 AM

How can you guys complain about rules, you know it goes both ways right? For every one you "lose" like this, you'll win one too.

Also the rules are plainly posted and Pinnacle now uses the same rules as 5dimes.

Hareeba! · 08-11-10, 01:39 AM

Originally posted by LMAOFISH

Pinnacle now uses the same rules as 5dimes.

No they don't:
5Dimes:

Tennis Wagering

Wagers have action once a ball is served, regardless of the date the match/event is started or completed.

Pinnacle
One full set must be completed for wagers to stand. If less than 1 set is completed, all wagers will be considered void

stooges · 08-11-10, 04:01 AM

5dimes also have this under rules , which would make them an 1set bookie (just as pinnacle) : A "Walk Over Winner" (player concedes before a match) and matches which do not complete the first set are graded no action. Any match concluding after the first set is completed will be graded with the advancing player as the winner.
And I personally think that "one ball" Is the most profitable for an updated gambler that Is doing his homework properly

Hareeba! · 08-11-10, 05:05 AM

Originally posted by stooges

5dimes also have this under rules , which would make them an 1set bookie (just as pinnacle) : A "Walk Over Winner" (player concedes before a match) and matches which do not complete the first set are graded no action. Any match concluding after the first set is completed will be graded with the advancing player as the winner.
And I personally think that "one ball" Is the most profitable for an updated gambler that Is doing his homework properly

hey, you are correct!

what an absurdly ambiguously framed set of rules they have there!

Wagers have action once a ball is served, regardless of the date the match/event is started or completed. Matches delayed by rain, darkness, or other circumstances will not be voided. These matches will remain pending until their completion.

A "Walk Over Winner" (player concedes before a match) and matches which do not complete the first set are graded no action. Any match concluding after the first set is completed will be graded with the advancing player as the winner.

I must admit, I didn't read on after having found the first paragraph appeared to answer what I was looking for.

There are several books, eg. Expekt which do have that one ball rule and on first glance it looks like 5D do too.

shari91 · 08-11-10, 05:46 AM

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Santo · 08-11-10, 07:05 AM

I'm not sure that can be right. If you bet on a player who loses the first set, but his opponent then retires, your bet should still be a winner.

shari91 · 08-11-10, 07:15 AM

Originally posted by Santo

I'm not sure that can be right. If you bet on a player who loses the first set, but his opponent then retires, your bet should still be a winner.

I edited my post as I didn't explain myself properly. Yes the advancing player in this case would be the winner although 9 times out of 10, the player that loses the first set is the one who retires.

BET THE HOOK · 08-12-10, 11:21 AM

Lots of points both way but I am taking my tennis wagers to Bookmaker and will use 5Dimes as well but for other sports. I don't mind losing because if you gamble its gonna happen. I just don't want to feel shafted.

Jrod124 · 08-12-10, 02:12 PM

5dimes retirements are joke because they have challenger matches. Nothing worse than having a player win the first set 6-3, lose the 2nd set tiebreak and then quit. I also had a guy WIN the 1st set tiebreak and then retire. So I have lost two matches 6-3 6-7 (0), ret. and 7-6 (0). ret. Horseshit rules

Hareeba! · 08-12-10, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by Jrod124

5dimes retirements are joke because they have challenger matches. Nothing worse than having a player win the first set 6-3, lose the 2nd set tiebreak and then quit. I also had a guy WIN the 1st set tiebreak and then retire. So I have lost two matches 6-3 6-7 (0), ret. and 7-6 (0). ret. Horseshit rules

you've just been unlucky if they are the only retirements you've suffered under that rule
mostly the retiree is the one behind in a match, not the one on top
the two biggest and best tennis books there are both adopt that rule and I suspect that's why 5D followed suite
to my mind the worst case is when my player is up a set and a break and the opponent retires and the bet is voided as it is at most sites
I'd generally much rather play with the 1 set rule than the void rule
But having the option can be useful if you have fitness doubts about either player

me-first · 08-12-10, 08:12 PM

I much prefer the "1 set = action" vs voiding all matches involving an early retirement..

BET THE HOOK · 08-13-10, 07:47 AM

The match that pissed me off the most was a few tournaments ago Na Li won the 1st set and was up big in the 2nd set and retired costing me several parlays that I already had dog winners in. I can see it being graded a loss in some circumstances but if your player is smoking the other player and retires shouldnt you at least get a NO ACTION?

BET THE HOOK · 08-13-10, 07:50 AM

JROD I couldnt agree more so I am gonna play tennis elsewhere. NO ACTION is always better than a loss even if it cost me a win sometimes and I settle for a push. At least i will never lose again for a retirement. The worst I am gonna get now is NO ACTION and I can always live with that over a loss.