SportsWeb--Phoenix--Jazz

chunnnn2010 · 07-29-10, 01:54 AM

Betsportsweb should be avoid

jackkkk2009 · 07-29-10, 04:28 AM

That site has been downgraded few times this year

mtneer1212 · 07-29-10, 06:10 AM

I'm not sure that Phoenix ever had any relationship with BetSportsweb other than considering taking up residence in the same building as Phoenix. I do not believe Phoenix has any business relationship with them. Jazz was being reported as considered adopting them if they clear the books, but I have not seen any movement on that front either, and Jazz is having their own problem it appears.

I use both Jazz and Phoenix, and have never had a problem with either, but I feel a lot more confident about Phoenix right now than Jazz.

Patrick McIrish · 07-29-10, 06:46 AM

Originally posted by Frogger

Just got a PM about this, concerned at the utter and total apathetic attitude about SportsWeb from the posters & SBR.

BetSportsWeb/BetDDD/BlueGrass were in the Jazz building. They then moved the majority of their operations to Phoenix, but in the process took SportsWeb offline. We can assume they moved either as a way to get rid of BetSportsWeb or because of the current issues at Jazz, or to open under a new brand and attempt to scam more unsuspecting players. (SBR has not explained why they moved)

Situations like this are the reason we need SBR, to find out what is going on. Why would the bigger books would want to involve themselves with well known stiff organization?

Phoenix is a sponsor, and Jazz used to be, which means SBR has contacts in both places. Jazz or Phoenix should take some responsibility, and at minimum never associate with BetSportsWeb/BetDDD/Bluegrass. To allow these major books to hide behind scumbag operations, seems to set a dangerous precedent for the industry.

Posts like these are why I use the forums. Way to go Frogger.

gangeriver · 07-29-10, 01:59 PM

firstly, thank you Frogger.you look after really this subject.

Where are Costa Rica laws and rules' seriousness? if a sportsbook, who has a costa rica license, wants to escape it would close office and run away.They can go to carribean beach and while sunbating they count their (our) money. What a wonderful life! So non-licencse book or costa rica license...A+ or D- who cares. it doesn't matter! betphoenix, jazz , diamondsportsbook , betonline...if they want to escape they can this easly.there is not any punishment.
scam sportsbook betcascade paid lots of money(yes maybe not all but paid lots of), bet911 paid lots of money and their accounts pass to legendz. but BSW escapes for 60k.Funny! Some of professional bettors have bigger balance

it is very small amount. I supposed that if a person wants to get a gambling license he should pay lots of money to bank guarantee letter.I noticed that their license is not valuable and there isn't any government/bank guarentee .meanwhile I'm sorry for my bad english.

Frogger · 07-29-10, 04:34 PM

The issue is not the BSW robbed their customers, which of course will happen since there will always be liars, thieves, cheats, and scumbags.

My concern is when the BetDDD/Bluegrass group moves to Phoenix, shouldn't Phoenix have some reservations about taking on such a group? With the history of running scam books BetSuperior and BetSportsWeb, we can fairly accurately assume that BetDDD/Bluegrass will continue ripping off their customers.

I would like to hear from SBR on this thread. If Phoenix and Jazz claim to run a professional operation, they should have to answer for this.

mtneer1212 · 07-29-10, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by Frogger

The issue is not the BSW robbed their customers, which of course will happen since there will always be liars, thieves, cheats, and scumbags.

My concern is when the BetDDD/Bluegrass group moves to Phoenix, shouldn't Phoenix have some reservations about taking on such a group? With the history of running scam books BetSuperior and BetSportsWeb, we can fairly accurately assume that BetDDD/Bluegrass will continue ripping off their customers.

I would like to hear from SBR on this thread. If Phoenix and Jazz claim to run a professional operation, they should have to answer for this.

I believe that Jazz has said they will not take on BetSportsWeb unless they pay off their current accounts.

Bill Dozer · 07-29-10, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by Frogger

Just got a PM about this, concerned at the utter and total apathetic attitude about SportsWeb from the posters & SBR.

BetSportsWeb/BetDDD/BlueGrass were in the Jazz building. They then moved the majority of their operations to Phoenix, but in the process took SportsWeb offline. We can assume they moved either as a way to get rid of BetSportsWeb or because of the current issues at Jazz, or to open under a new brand and attempt to scam more unsuspecting players. (SBR has not explained why they moved)

Situations like this are the reason we need SBR, to find out what is going on. Why would the bigger books would want to involve themselves with well known stiff organization?

Phoenix is a sponsor, and Jazz used to be, which means SBR has contacts in both places. Jazz or Phoenix should take some responsibility, and at minimum never associate with BetSportsWeb/BetDDD/Bluegrass. To allow these major books to hide behind scumbag operations, seems to set a dangerous precedent for the industry.

BetSportsWeb was in the Jazz building and used the BlueGrass lines platform and hosting from Jazz. BlueGrass hasn't been a public sportsbook in maybe 4 or 5 years and wasn't when BSW came online. Bluegrass using Phoenix's resources really has no relevance to BSW players. You could make a case that Jazz should take responsibility for the poor post-up book they have been servicing but BSW was going their own thing there and that's a stretch too...not a typical white label where the host is fully supporting and has full knowledge of the operation.

The small group of BetSportsWeb players have been warned regularly almost since the beginning, and like Frogger, most post-up players know the score going into a book like this. Advertising was non-existent.

robmpink · 07-29-10, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

BetSportsWeb was in the Jazz building and used the BlueGrass lines platform and hosting from Jazz. BlueGrass hasn't been a public sportsbook in maybe 4 or 5 years and wasn't when BSW came online. Bluegrass using Phoenix's resources really has no relevance to BSW players. You could make a case that Jazz should take responsibility for the poor post-up book they have been servicing but BSW was going their own thing there and that's a stretch too...not a typical white label where the host is fully supporting and has full knowledge of the operation.

The small group of BetSportsWeb players have been warned regularly almost since the beginning, and like Frogger, most post-up players know the score going into a book like this. Advertising was non-existent.

Lazer Wager advertised out the ass. How did they make out? Don't say well they didn't advertise at sbr either.

Frogger · 07-30-10, 11:32 AM

Thank you for the post Dozer. I agree Jazz bears some responsibility and would be interested in a comment from them.

Don't you also feel that a reputable operation (Phoenix) would want to stay as far away as possible from a group (Bluegrass) that scams players?

I do feel if Bluegrass/BetDDD/BetSportsWeb/BetSuperior does this scam job again from their new location at Phoenix that now their new host should have their brand tainted as well.

Can you ask Phoenix what their comment is? Does Phoenix have any standards at all for whom they invite into their office?

Bill Dozer · 07-30-10, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by robmpink

Lazer Wager advertised out the ass. How did they make out? Don't say well they didn't advertise at sbr either.

I'm not sure what you are saying Rob. My point was that there were very few if any active players there who were not there through an agent or because they received a special deal to deposit from someone they knew. That doesnt make them any more or less of a stiff than Lazerwager. Both books were subject of warnings and reports here.

My point to that point was no one can really claim they were an unsuspecting victim tricked by a fancy ad-promo and that the new service provider to the service provider to the book service facilitated the scam (which is certainly was).

Bill Dozer · 07-30-10, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by Frogger

Thank you for the post Dozer. I agree Jazz bears some responsibility and would be interested in a comment from them.

Don't you also feel that a reputable operation (Phoenix) would want to stay as far away as possible from a group (Bluegrass) that scams players?

I do feel if Bluegrass/BetDDD/BetSportsWeb/BetSuperior does this scam job again from their new location at Phoenix that now their new host should have their brand tainted as well.

Can you ask Phoenix what their comment is? Does Phoenix have any standards at all for whom they invite into their office?

As touched on above, BlueGrass was a service provider that wanted to use Phoenix to support their own service. I don't think we could argue that Phoenix has an obligation to players who used a former business partner of their new business partner. You could argue that BSW coming offline potentially saved new players and Phoenix said we're not letting that stiff brand in our office so make a choice.

Phoenix is bailing out books that aren't able to pay their players. They recently took in the Goto Group which was conditional on them paying all players. After 30 days they'll stand for player money. It's not as if they are renting out their clerks and putting a roof over no-pay joints.

BettingHedgehog · 07-30-10, 01:21 PM

Doozer what do you mean, the BSW story has the end already? After reading the last comments i think BSW will walk away with the money of the former customers, right?

BH

gangeriver · 07-30-10, 03:27 PM

I hope they won't walk away for 60k. Some of professional bettors have bigger balance. it is very small amount.

gangeriver · 08-01-10, 03:13 PM

The Jazz Sportsbook Group has agreed to take over defunct sportsbook betsportsweb (SBR rating D-) player accounts if betsportsweb can clear its current player debt.

I think this situation is still valid.
what does "current player dept" mean? only pending withdraws? or total amount? If it's total amount, what is JAzz's responsibility in this situation?

Docta Ignoranti · 08-01-10, 03:24 PM

Gang, why only post part of it....you forgot the big IF..............

gangeriver · 08-01-10, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by Docta Ignoranti

Gang, why only post part of it....you forgot the big IF..............

I think it was my mistake. I don't know. I continue to learn British English.same of rules different than American English. Thanks for warning same of posters say "please english" very rude behavior!

meanwhile anyone have a thought about my question

Frogger · 08-02-10, 05:54 PM

My final thought on this (BetDDD/BetSportsWeb/BetSuperior/BetSportsWeb) as it seems more than obvious this is going to be forgotten, and Jazz & Phoenix will get off the hook & the players once again will get screwed.

Jazz allowed an organization into their office that ran a stiff book for some time and they did nothing. I understand they have their own issues, but sometimes you have to do the right thing.

Phoenix taking on this group stains their reputation horribly. Two possibilities occured and either one looks bad for BetPhoenix. One option is they didn't know about Bluegrass's history, which means they need to do their homework on who they allow into their office. Second option is they did know and took them on anyways. If the second option is true, they need to upgrade their standards for who moves into their office before the general public should consider them a reputable place to do business with.

Sportsbooks number one concern needs to be on ensuring their customers have nothing to worry on getting paid, and dealing with crooks is not a good way to satisfy this concern.

Frogger · 08-02-10, 05:56 PM

One thing, and you can mark my words on this. Bluegrass group has now opened three books that have low ratings that have closed, Bluegrass itself, BetSuperior, and now BetSportsWeb. This is a pattern we all know will continue, and it seems as it Phoenix is allowing this nightmare for the players to go on.

GGZOLA · 08-03-10, 12:44 AM

nightmare continues....promised 5k from abc on friday nothing. And this site says they will be back to full strength by september....based on what? What idiot would reload with them? I've had it there for so long b4 any indication (known) of payout troubles.

gangeriver · 08-03-10, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by Frogger

. Jazz allowed an organization into their office that ran a stiff book for some time and they did nothing. I understand they have their own issues, but sometimes you have to do the right thing. .

our accounts even contain two letters.they are JS , for example JS2950. it drives me mad.everythig is same.building, system, capital...everything...
you bought a Dodge car which produced in Chrysler factory.it broken down.by the way Dodge factory closed.but Chrysler refuse to take responsibility.like this.
If you want to get a gambling license, you must pay lots of money in Europa. Because firstly you should have a bank Bank Letter of Guarantee.If you don't pay to your clients, you lose your license and your money.
I think get a gambling license is like get a driver license in costa rica.maybe easier than...let me know please imagine.there are two books. first is non license and second book has costa rica license.what is difference? how they can lost their lecense for 60k? (maybe they won't lose.I'm not sure) there are three robbers. betphoenix , jazzsports and bluegrass (betsportsweb) everybody know everything but they act "the three monkeys". I don't know, I didn't see, I didn't hear...

(docta ignoranti how is it? can I pass your English exam?)

GGZOLA · 08-03-10, 06:05 PM

gangeriver do you work for one of the books? When you say "our accounts"?

Bill Dozer · 08-03-10, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by Frogger

My final thought on this (BetDDD/BetSportsWeb/BetSuperior/BetSportsWeb) as it seems more than obvious this is going to be forgotten, and Jazz & Phoenix will get off the hook & the players once again will get screwed.

Jazz allowed an organization into their office that ran a stiff book for some time and they did nothing. I understand they have their own issues, but sometimes you have to do the right thing.

Phoenix taking on this group stains their reputation horribly. Two possibilities occured and either one looks bad for BetPhoenix. One option is they didn't know about Bluegrass's history, which means they need to do their homework on who they allow into their office. Second option is they did know and took them on anyways. If the second option is true, they need to upgrade their standards for who moves into their office before the general public should consider them a reputable place to do business with.

Originally posted by Frogger

Sportsbooks number one concern needs to be on ensuring their customers have nothing to worry on getting paid, and dealing with crooks is not a good way to satisfy this concern.

One thing, and you can mark my words on this. Bluegrass group has now opened three books that have low ratings that have closed, Bluegrass itself, BetSuperior, and now BetSportsWeb. This is a pattern we all know will continue, and it seems as it Phoenix is allowing this nightmare for the players to go on.

Players lose their leverage when the start throwing haymakers at whoever they can. I understand the desperation though. You have a stiff book and no one with anything to lose to blame.

BetSuperior did a name change after its dispute with a casino player and is the same book as BetSportsweb. Doug and Bluegrass was not BSW and BlueGrass hasn't been a deposit sportsbook for maybe 4 years. Jazz did host BSW which moved off BlueGrass's numbers. Players might want to contact Jazz and ask the status of BSW and about their individual accounts. SBR will see if there are any update but it appears it will not end well. They have been flatlined for a few weeks now.

durito · 08-03-10, 06:35 PM

Jazz can't even give any information about their own players accounts at the moment, I don't think they are gonna have anything for anyone at BSW or whatever you call it.

Frogger · 08-03-10, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

Bluegrass was not BSW

If that is how this business works, I just think its plain wrong. At some point, someone has to fess up and admit responsibility. If Bluegrass did not own BSW than they still allowed them to use their office to cheat players out of their money, which then was used to pay Bluegrass rent to run the operation.

Bluegrass of course had to know that BetSportsWeb was robbing, cheating and scamming their players, even if this was only a rental agreement. It would be impossible for BSW to be in their office for that length of time, and not to know what was going on. And now, BetPhoenix takes on this client in Bluegrass that has "only" knowingly allowed a stiff book to operate in their office.

Even if what you say is true that Bluegrass is NOT BetSportsWeb, how can we defend BetPhoenix to take on this type of operation?

gangeriver · 08-03-10, 09:52 PM

Originally posted by GGZOLA

gangeriver do you work for one of the books? When you say "our accounts"?

my account + their (other posters) account numbers (you have a point "account" isn't enough )

by the way just wondering...does Costa Rica gambling license have any value?

durito · 08-03-10, 10:22 PM

Originally posted by gangeriver

my account + their (other posters) account numbers (you have a point "account" isn't enough )

by the way just wondering...does Costa Rica gambling license have any value?

There is no such thing as a Costa Rica gaming license.

Ragnriches · 08-03-10, 10:30 PM

only a drivers license

gangeriver · 08-03-10, 10:56 PM

Originally posted by durito

There is no such thing as a Costa Rica gaming license.

well, I change my question. is Bsw legit in Costa Rica? is there any legal statue?

GGZOLA · 08-04-10, 01:11 PM

for the record abc (jazz) just sent me payout I asked for about 2 weeks or so ago...and it aint chump change

gambleballs · 08-04-10, 02:02 PM

fukkin cornbread