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  • Freud
    SBR Rookie
    • 05-14-10
    • 3

    #1
    Pinnaclesports - "compromised" casino, do not play!
    Good morning.
    Would like to share with you my infos about pinnaclesports (pinbet)...
    I have deposited into my pinbet account 270 USD via moneybookers. I have started to play on Casino, at European Roullete and I have lost all of my money in about 10 minutes (with small bets like 1-5 USD) because that roullete is not fair and does not have Random Number Generator. I have place bets on 50/50 chances, like red/black, 1-18/19-36, odd/even...and the roullete gaved only the oposite of what I was betting, for example: I placed 7-8 consecutive bets on odd, and the roullete gaved 7-8 consecutive even numbers. Imediatly after that, I placed 5-6 consecutive bets on 19-36...and the roullete gaved 5-6 consecutive 1-18 numbers. I placed bets on five from six "six number" blocks, meaning I have placed bets on 1-6 block, 13-18 block, 19-24 block, 25-30 block and 31-36 block...with 83.33% chances to win, and the roullete gaved 4 consecutive numbers from 7-12 block... That roullete is not fair and does not have Random Number Generator. The roullete plays against the gambler, that is POSITIVE!
    I have sent them 2 e-mails asking them to pay me back the money lost on that "compromised" Roullete... Their answer was about "
    Our Roulette is set to be random in its processing and randomness is impossible to explain" ... I know that I will never see my money back, but would like to share this informations with you, because of those "player always loose" algorithms implemented in that "European Roullete" owned by Pinnaclesports.
    Beware of this Sportsbook.
  • Chopsticks
    SBR MVP
    • 06-30-09
    • 1057

    #2
    There are websites out there that can calculate if your results were fair. Try googling "are my results fair" and something will probably show up in the first couple of pages.

    You need to know how much you turned over and your avg. stake.
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    • Chopsticks
      SBR MVP
      • 06-30-09
      • 1057

      #3
      Ok I am not sure but did you stake more than $5 per spin on any of those number blocks spin?

      If what you are saying is true it should be extremely unlikely that you would lose your money in only about 10 minutes on low stakes like that.

      I checked in the practice casino. I don't know if in the real casino there is such a thing as a "fast spin" feature, but assuming there isn't, then you could do 9 spins p/m at the max. Since you varied your bets and did not just click rebet/respin, let's say you managed 7 spins p/m. Your "about 10 minutes" we'll say is 12 minutes in reality. This would take you to about 84 spins, for a wagering of $420.

      The chance of losing $270 in 84 spins @ 50/50 shots (slightly less, but shouldn't count in this instance) is about 1 to Infinity according to the calculator I came across. I am not sure I used it correctly, but it sounds about right that it should be impossible to lose everything if you wagered like you explained.

      I don't think you'll get very far complaining, but I wish you all the best. If you can, ask for the session history so that it can be reviewed by players here.
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      • Freud
        SBR Rookie
        • 05-14-10
        • 3

        #4
        Ok.

        Yes, in some cases I put more that 5 USD on some spins, it will appear on session history.
        I have asked them the Session history 5 minutes ago. After receiving it, I will show it to you...
        Last edited by Freud; 05-14-10, 03:59 AM. Reason: I have forgot to answer to Chopsticks's question...
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        • TheBeautifulGame
          SBR MVP
          • 08-26-08
          • 1286

          #5
          You can view all the odds/variables fair or not and they will simply state that the Casino is random yadda yadda yadda. The best thing to do is to stay away from ALL online Casinos altogether. They are ALL rigged in some way or another. I'm sure even BETFAIRS 0% house edge Casino is rigged. You may win at times but in the long run, you will lose.

          Why do you think that the BIGGEST bonuses offered by sportsbooks is for the Casino, you see 200 % +bonuses offered on reputable sites. Massive rebates and other huge incentive because the book knows that people will bet and even if they do come across the rare winner like someone hitting the jackpot in slots or whatever, they know that the losers WAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY outnumber the winners.
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          • skrtelfan
            SBR MVP
            • 10-09-08
            • 1913

            #6
            Were you betting martingale? A lot of the casinos have "anti-martingale" detection software in place! The trick is to do a REVERSE MARTINGALE!
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            • Rollins08
              SBR MVP
              • 04-20-07
              • 1337

              #7
              i can't prove it, but i still feel all off the casino software out there is compromised. The streaks are way to great. Its like they can tell if you up your bet. Of course most people get smoked in real casinos as well.
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              • TheBeautifulGame
                SBR MVP
                • 08-26-08
                • 1286

                #8
                Originally posted by Rollins08
                i can't prove it, but i still feel all off the casino software out there is compromised. The streaks are way to great. Its like they can tell if you up your bet. Of course most people get smoked in real casinos as well.

                Of course they do, they are a game of chance. However, if you said to me, here is $1,000.00, go wager this is an ONLINE Casino, no strings attached winnings are yours or here is $250.00, go wager this in a REAL Casino, no strings winnings are yours, I would take the $250 without a second thought.
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                • jetset
                  SBR Rookie
                  • 07-07-10
                  • 15

                  #9
                  black jack is fraude !!
                  warning, warning from mafia casino from Pinnaclesports !!! this is the biggest mafia online casino what i see . wins always all the same how!! if one doubled against 6 always almost never gets one small card a picture or 10 . !! dealer have only 19-21 and the user only lost .
                  fraude casino pinnaclesports !!! user never win !!! dealer make with 5 other 6 only 19-21 !!!! i lost 1000 $ penetrate this mafia software from pinnaclesports !! the user must also win sometimes with it he comes back, these swindlers will never learn this!! i can say penetrate this mafia online casino from pinnaclesports is BIG FRAUDE !!!
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                  • jjgold
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 07-20-05
                    • 388189

                    #10


                    Dont play then

                    Your a sore loser
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                    • HeeeHAWWWW
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 06-13-08
                      • 5487

                      #11
                      A book that constantly takes bets in the tens of thousands is hardly going to risk its entire business to scam over a few hundred - that's what they'd be doing, because it's a simple matter to prove via statistics when a casino is bent.
                      Last edited by HeeeHAWWWW; 01-11-14, 01:09 PM.
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                      • jetset
                        SBR Rookie
                        • 07-07-10
                        • 15

                        #12
                        I penetrate pinnaclesports Mafia Casino !!! black jack is 100% FRAUDE by pinnaclesports!! i have good information !!!
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                        • jetset
                          SBR Rookie
                          • 07-07-10
                          • 15

                          #13
                          Pinnnaclesports Live Casino is 100% FIXED Cards by black jack 100% i have good information !! i can all user warning from Pinnaclesports Live Casino !!!! the cards by black jack is FIXED !!!

                          you can look,Dealer have with all penetrate cards 4-5-6 only 80-85 % 19-21 this is Fraude and not normal!!!

                          ALL PEOPLE WARNING from mafia casino Pinnaclesports !!!!
                          Last edited by jetset; 01-16-14, 10:56 AM.
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                          • tommygun
                            SBR MVP
                            • 07-01-10
                            • 2239

                            #14
                            what is all this penetrating business^
                            BETTING EXCHANGES, easy money.

                            Soccer Tipping: 5-0-1
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                            • Bandito97
                              SBR High Roller
                              • 03-12-13
                              • 149

                              #15
                              ALL online casinos are a scam. They are software programs designed specifically to take your money.
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                              • nash13
                                SBR MVP
                                • 01-21-14
                                • 1122

                                #16
                                stay away from any online casino. there is no chance in hell that you will win vs them
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                                • dealer wins
                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                  • 02-03-09
                                  • 816

                                  #17
                                  Next time play on a live casino. You will probably still lose but the dealers are pretty
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