1. 03-29-19 04:45 PM #1
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    Asianodds and Singbet void bets at their sole discretion

    Be aware of Singbet and Asianodds.They are voiding bets after the game started and the bet is almost won. Today at 13:20(GMT+2) I placed a bet on Rodez - Concarneau (France National) . The bet was Rodez-1 AH and was placed through Asianodds with Singbet. At 21:25(GMT+2),Asianodds sent me an email and told me that the bet was void by Singbet and graded as "abnormal bet" and that "any of the bookies reserves the right to grade bets in any way,at any point in time,at their sole discretion".The game started at 21:00)GMT+2 and on 21:25(when the bet was voided) the score was 2-0 for Rodez (goals in minutes 3 and 5 and Concarneau with red card from 6 minutes). I bet for a long time,for almost 15 years,but this is the first time that a bookie void the bets after the game started and the bet is almost won.Is there anything I can do about that?
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  2. 03-29-19 04:53 PM #2
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    Voids after the event are rare but not so rare with Singbet. Happened to me also that Pinnacle has voided the bet after the match, "suspicious activity" or something.
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  3. 03-29-19 05:24 PM #3
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    Singbet are well known for cancelling bets.
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  4. 03-29-19 05:30 PM #4
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    And the Asian Odds operator warns you about this.

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  5. 03-30-19 06:35 AM #5
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    You bet 15 years, you should be aware that Singbet is known as Voidbet. On the other hand, they are the easiest asian bookie to beat.
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  6. 03-30-19 06:03 PM #6
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    and to answer the question: no, there's nothing you can do, apart from staying away from them - or accepting the risk of this to happen.
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  7. 03-30-19 07:29 PM #7
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    Your bet is VOID anyway,result was 2:1.
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  8. 03-30-19 07:56 PM #8
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    Singbet is a chance bookie. They void all types of bets for the match when it is a big nett loss for them for that particular game.
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  9. 03-31-19 07:46 AM #9
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    I like Singbet
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  10. 03-31-19 08:43 AM #10
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    Quote Originally Posted by lonnie55 View Post
    I like Singbet
    Seconded. They very, rarely void bets and as I've shown in a different thread, they also void losing bets but you never hear any complaints about those.
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  11. 03-31-19 09:00 PM #11
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    Been playing with singbet via asianodds, haven't got any void bets in a year, my opinion they then to have the best price quite often, leaving them exposed to arbitrage and pros.
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  12. 04-01-19 02:24 AM #12
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    they do not void all your bets that i can agree on. Im still trying to figure out how they calculate which bet to void ... surely it must have something to do with profits and their weird odds for certain low level league matches... but i know a lot of players are in profits (even tho some of their bets have been voided, be it winning/losing).
    OP claimed to have been playing for 15 years? is this your first time at singbet?
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  13. 04-01-19 05:28 AM #13
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    Does anyone have personal stats what % of bets are voided by Singbet?
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  14. 04-01-19 05:42 AM #14
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    below 1%
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  15. 04-01-19 05:56 AM #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by craftbrewer View Post
    Does anyone have personal stats what % of bets are voided by Singbet?
    However, if you are following other tipsters bets whereas many bettors placing bets simultanusely etc, your chances of getting void are bigger.

    Also if you bet on their opening lines on small/exotic leagues, your chances of getting void are even bigger especially if odds move on your favor till kick off. Exotic leagues in general got higher chances of getting voided than mainstream.

    I would say around 3-4% of games are getting voided, however, most of my bets fit in the second category i described above. For normal bets, percentage is minimal, it is still a possibility though.
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  16. 04-01-19 05:56 AM #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by lonnie55 View Post
    below 1%
    Have you had your lost bets voided? If you have, what is the % of lost bets voided?
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  17. 04-01-19 06:09 AM #17
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    Do they void bets immediately after game is finished or can they even void bets many hours after game is finished?
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  18. 04-01-19 06:50 AM #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruifgalmeida View Post
    Been playing with singbet via asianodds, haven't got any void bets in a year, my opinion they then to have the best price quite often, leaving them exposed to arbitrage and pros.
    I have never used them, but it sounds absolutely crazy.

    They offer good odds, but if someone takes the good odds, then they can just void the bets, if it looks like the bets will win and use the excuse that the customer is arbing.

    I get that some people will be arbing, but so what? Don't offer those prices in that case, if you don't want to get caught out by arbers.

    People who have half a brain would look through all of the bookies that they have money in or even know about before placing a bet and bet it at the firm with the best odds.

    That doesn't necessarily mean that they are arbing, it just means that they are using their brain.

    Its the same as if I want to buy a phone, computer for example, I would be a nutcase to buy the most expensive one, when I could get the exact same computer for a better price from another shop. It doesn't mean that I'm doing anything wrong, it just means that I used my brain.


    Every time I read posts on this forum its shocking, I don't see how companies can operate like this. All I see is them stealing customers funds, which they can only do because we put trust in them to hold our money honestly.

    It's crazy how they can even justify doing this to themselves.
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  19. 04-01-19 07:03 AM #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by Motorhead11 View Post
    I would say around 3-4% of games are getting voided
    Never ever 3-4%, you want to tell me that they void one in 25-33 bets?! This would be a ridiculous high number...

    @craftbrewer: it's actually 50/50 in my case (2 won, 2 lost) if I don't count the matches that have been voided for other reasons like wrongly displayed teams or abnormal playing time like 3x45 in soccer friendlies

    Of all Asian books Singbet takes the longest time to grade a bet, they always need hours after a match has been finished
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  20. 04-01-19 07:13 AM #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by lonnie55 View Post

    Of all Asian books Singbet takes the longest time to grade a bet, they always need hours after a match has been finished
    Yes and you can say that for customer support too...
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  21. 04-01-19 01:25 PM #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by lonnie55 View Post
    Never ever 3-4%, you want to tell me that they void one in 25-33 bets?! This would be a ridiculous high number...

    @craftbrewer: it's actually 50/50 in my case (2 won, 2 lost) if I don't count the matches that have been voided for other reasons like wrongly displayed teams or abnormal playing time like 3x45 in soccer friendlies

    Of all Asian books Singbet takes the longest time to grade a bet, they always need hours after a match has been finished
    Have you ever followed PGA or famous blogabet/tipstertube tipsters via singbet? 3-4% percentage of void at least. Would even say percentage is even bigger tbh.
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  22. 04-01-19 03:33 PM #22
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    Quote Originally Posted by Motorhead11 View Post
    Have you ever followed PGA or famous blogabet/tipstertube tipsters via singbet? 3-4% percentage of void at least. Would even say percentage is even bigger tbh.
    No, I don't follow any tipsters
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  23. 04-01-19 04:05 PM #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by lonnie55 View Post
    No, I don't follow any tipsters
    Ok, then your 1% void makes sense. Percentage is much bigger when you follow services though.
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  24. 04-01-19 04:42 PM #24
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    If I don't follow any tipsters and don't sell picks by myself but bet on opening lines on small markets like Russian soccer premier league (is it a small market?) and odds drop very much and closing line is much worse than opening line in these cases, should I expect to have 3-4 % of my bets to be voided by Singbet?
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  25. 04-01-19 05:00 PM #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by craftbrewer View Post
    If I don't follow any tipsters and don't sell picks by myself but bet on opening lines on small markets like Russian soccer premier league (is it a small market?) and odds drop very much and closing line is much worse than opening line in these cases, should I expect to have 3-4 % of my bets to be voided by Singbet?
    No, because that's how I use Singbet all the time

    Russian Premier League is a big market BTW
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  26. 04-01-19 06:02 PM #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by lonnie55 View Post
    Never ever 3-4%, you want to tell me that they void one in 25-33 bets?! This would be a ridiculous high number...

    @craftbrewer: it's actually 50/50 in my case (2 won, 2 lost) if I don't count the matches that have been voided for other reasons like wrongly displayed teams or abnormal playing time like 3x45 in soccer friendlies

    Of all Asian books Singbet takes the longest time to grade a bet, they always need hours after a match has been finished
    Singbet need to calculate which games they did not manage to balance. Those matches that made the most loss they void.
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  27. 04-01-19 06:42 PM #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by craftbrewer View Post
    If I don't follow any tipsters and don't sell picks by myself but bet on opening lines on small markets like Russian soccer premier league (is it a small market?) and odds drop very much and closing line is much worse than opening line in these cases, should I expect to have 3-4 % of my bets to be voided by Singbet?
    If you are that worried, you will only stress each time a bet takes a few hours to get graded and you'll be worrying every time you place a bet there. Don't use them if you are not emotionally ready for it, it's not worth stressing over IMHO.
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  28. 04-02-19 01:06 PM #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by qsgsg View Post
    Singbet need to calculate which games they did not manage to balance. Those matches that made the most loss they void.
    Then how come they void losing bets too?
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  29. 04-02-19 05:49 PM #29
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    AsianConnect provide only 40% limit for Singbet accounts. Are limits the same with other agents or may be there is an agent with higher limits for Singbet account?
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  30. 04-02-19 07:16 PM #30
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyasports View Post
    Then how come they void losing bets too?
    I'll give a fictitious example so that you can understand : Arsenal Vs Everton game.

    Wager are Placed in the AH, ML, Over/under, BTTS, etc. for this particular match . Sportsbook typically try to balance their book to have a profit no matter what the outcome is.

    Let's say at the last moment before kick off a huge bet is placed on Everton to win and Everton does go on to win the game. Assuming that Everton are big underdogs and the odds are really high. The Sportsbook is unable to make a profit on the ML side and not just that, the Vig that they earn from the other market like AH, Over/under, BTTS, etc. that might have turned in a small profit for them gets engulfed by the loss that the huge last minute bet on Everton to win at high odds.

    So they have lost big money overall on this Arsenal Vs Everton game. In this scenario, Singbet just voids the whole game and returns all punters their money. They avoid taking a huge loss at the expense of the punter that won, very much free rolling. The reasons Singbet gives all the time are just excuses that doesn't make sense at all.
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  31. 04-03-19 03:37 AM #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by qsgsg View Post
    I'll give a fictitious example so that you can understand : Arsenal Vs Everton game.

    Wager are Placed in the AH, ML, Over/under, BTTS, etc. for this particular match . Sportsbook typically try to balance their book to have a profit no matter what the outcome is.

    Let's say at the last moment before kick off a huge bet is placed on Everton to win and Everton does go on to win the game. Assuming that Everton are big underdogs and the odds are really high. The Sportsbook is unable to make a profit on the ML side and not just that, the Vig that they earn from the other market like AH, Over/under, BTTS, etc. that might have turned in a small profit for them gets engulfed by the loss that the huge last minute bet on Everton to win at high odds.

    So they have lost big money overall on this Arsenal Vs Everton game. In this scenario, Singbet just voids the whole game and returns all punters their money. They avoid taking a huge loss at the expense of the punter that won, very much free rolling. The reasons Singbet gives all the time are just excuses that doesn't make sense at all.
    You have 0 idea if that is what they do, and I seriously doubt your reasoning is correct. They don't just void any game they are losing money on. In fact, I know pretty much for sure that's not the case at all. I've seen games where the opening money line is 1.9 there for a game (football). It's immediately bet down to 1.4 after a bunch of bets and all other bookies open at +/- 1.4. When the game starts, that team takes the lead after only a few seconds so there's no way they could have a balanced point at this book. No voids at all, even though there is no way they didn't lose any money there.

    The percentage of voids is so low that losing money is not the reason. I truely believe they detect some weird betting patters like they claim and only void those games.
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  32. 04-03-19 04:57 AM #32
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    Based on french game they void when they suspect wrong doing. There was 1:0 3rd min,2:0 5th and red card in 6th. They assumed is fixed match even tho it finished 2:1. Based on that example they have analytics team looking for strange moments in game.
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  33. 04-03-19 07:59 AM #33
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    I think they are just best avoided, borderline scam book, definite one to never deposit a penny with!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfa1234 View Post
    You have 0 idea if that is what they do, and I seriously doubt your reasoning is correct. They don't just void any game they are losing money on. In fact, I know pretty much for sure that's not the case at all. I've seen games where the opening money line is 1.9 there for a game (football). It's immediately bet down to 1.4 after a bunch of bets and all other bookies open at +/- 1.4. When the game starts, that team takes the lead after only a few seconds so there's no way they could have a balanced point at this book. No voids at all, even though there is no way they didn't lose any money there.

    The percentage of voids is so low that losing money is not the reason. I truely believe they detect some weird betting patters like they claim and only void those games.
    What I have mentioned is in addition to games that are voided for legitimate reasons. My above example are for games that they lose significantly more money on, they dont just void because they lost money.

    We know also that Singbet voids games that have been Arbed on.

    Value bettors in theory shouldn't be that much affected by Singbet if they have the quantity in which I suppose is what lonnie55 does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dealer wins View Post
    I think they are just best avoided, borderline scam book, definite one to never deposit a penny with!
    It is indeed borderline scam. The problem is they get away with their shenanigans because bettors continue to use them regardless.
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