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    Quite interesting.

    They claim website is operating in London

    Most of the rules for sports wagering... they allow pinnacle links on their page.

    Whatever it is... I miss the Matchbook days for USA customers. Hopefully this is a new beginning.

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    Hello,
    I am trying to withdraw 1.2 BTC for over 5 months now. RED FLAG, DO NOT PLAY HERE!!!! more info here: https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3394504-sbr-please-rate-fairlay-com.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by betg View Post
    Hello,
    I am trying to withdraw 1.2 BTC for over 5 months now. RED FLAG, DO NOT PLAY HERE!!!! more info here: https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3394504-sbr-please-rate-fairlay-com.html
    Mr. betg...still...LOL you are only person who ever complained...Did you ever send them the requested video and documents? It was pretty easy case if you sent them the requested KYC you would of gotten funds released...Lesson learned dont deposit and withdrawal 20 times without wagering & use BTC sites for mixers for possible fraudulent activity...if the RED FLAG is raised you need to provide KYC

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    Yes I have sent them documents long time ago but they still don't want to process withdrawall... I have been in contact with them in the first months and promised to play for deposit (when I realized it's necessary) also withdraw to same address (if they think it's mixing) and other proposals and they have denied all, then decided to sent them kyc and they still didn't payout... still new excuses like video within 24 hours and I denied so 24h passed like 2 months ago? so for them it's all over, RED FLAG FOR THEM, DO NOT PLAY HERE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by betg View Post
    Yes I have sent them documents long time ago but they still don't want to process withdrawall... I have been in contact with them in the first months and promised to play for deposit (when I realized it's necessary) also withdraw to same address (if they think it's mixing) and other proposals and they have denied all, then decided to sent them kyc and they still didn't payout... still new excuses like video within 24 hours and I denied so 24h passed like 2 months ago? so for them it's all over, RED FLAG FOR THEM, DO NOT PLAY HERE!
    you deposited and withdrew 20 times without wagering? on a betting site?

    you were definitely money laundering, I think they did the right thing

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    Just curious... anyone who plays at Fairlay... how long does it take to receive your bitcoin once you make a payout request?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMoneyShot View Post
    Just curious... anyone who plays at Fairlay... how long does it take to receive your bitcoin once you make a payout request?
    Seriously they are instant hit submit and then check wallet and it’s there every time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by littlekona View Post
    Seriously they are instant hit submit and then check wallet and it’s there every time...
    That's very impressive. Thanks for the post.

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    instant or never!! RED FLAG, yes I have been withdrawing without playing because I was arbbetting and lines has changed too fast tso I moved money to other bookie, saying that I withdraw without play = sure money laundering by someone with so many posts is lame. They can do the same with everybody so I really suggest DO NOT PLAY HERE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by betg View Post
    instant or never!! RED FLAG, yes I have been withdrawing without playing because I was arbbetting and lines has changed too fast tso I moved money to other bookie, saying that I withdraw without play = sure money laundering by someone with so many posts is lame. They can do the same with everybody so I really suggest DO NOT PLAY HERE!

    'because you were arbbetting and lines has changed to fast' is not an excuse, although you seem to think that it is

    most books wont allow you to deposit and withdraw without betting even once, fairlay let you do it many times and you took advantage


    and come to think of it, arbs nowadays are very rare and not very profitable, add in the volatility of bitcoin, plus transfer fees, and it must be near to impossibly to make a profit, so i say even your non-excuse is false, you werent arbing, you were up to something fishy

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    The fact is that they have stolen 1.2btc from me just because I have been withdrawing without playing... they could: put fee on withdrawal,send me message to play x-times to withdraw/send back deposit to my address and close the account etc etc their choice is to take my 1.2btc deposit for doing that and you guys are ok with that? great community, RED FLAG!! EVERYONE CAN BE IN MY SITUATION!!! THEY HAVE NO LICENSE AT ALL!!!

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    [QUOTE=betg;27333528] EVERYONE CAN BE IN MY SITUATION!!!
    Sure anyone that is trying to money Launder/ use as a mixer without betting....If you where the average better who wagered and then had funds held that would be different and your red flag warning would be substantiated...But that is not case plus your excuses for not doing KYC was pretty bad with the no camera excuse..And on top of that no one else has ever had any issues with their funds at Fairlay...They are awesome IMO fastest withdrawals of any book..

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    Quote Originally Posted by betg View Post
    The fact is that they have stolen 1.2btc from me just because I have been withdrawing without playing... they could: put fee on withdrawal,send me message to play x-times to withdraw/send back deposit to my address and close the account etc etc their choice is to take my 1.2btc deposit for doing that and you guys are ok with that? great community, RED FLAG!! EVERYONE CAN BE IN MY SITUATION!!! THEY HAVE NO LICENSE AT ALL!!!

    best case scenario you were abusing the free deposit/withdrawal option, worst case you were doing something illegal like money laundering, and from what i've read on sbr and bitcointalk i'm leaning to you were doing something illegal

    if that is the case then they did the right thing, they need to discourage criminals from using them to launder or move money around

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    A couple of things here guys.

    Betg does not appear to be giving us the full story on his own activities but he makes a couple of good points.


    1) If Fairlay allowed him to do this 39 previous times, where do they get off thinking they have some right to confiscate the 40th deposit?

    They are either complicit by omission or have been intentionally allowing him do it. And no book has the right to confiscate deposited funds anyway, unless they are reported and frozen/forwarded to a legal authority.

    Given Fairlay has operated with no terms or license for most of it's life, acting like they have one now, to basically steal a deposit on suspicion, is kind of laughable.


    2) It would also be interesting to know how Fairlay imagine this guy is laundering money with a bitcoin book?!? When the player is not getting a receipt or anything to prove where these withdraws are coming from.



    Betg does not smell 100% kosher to me either, but from his reporting of the response and actions Fairlay appears to be even more obviously doing the wrong thing here to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    A couple of things here guys.

    Betg does not appear to be giving us the full story on his own activities but he makes a couple of good points.


    1) If Fairlay allowed him to do this 39 previous times, where do they get off thinking they have some right to confiscate the 40th deposit?

    They are either complicit by omission or have been intentionally allowing him do it. And no book has the right to confiscate deposited funds anyway, unless they are reported and frozen/forwarded to a legal authority.

    Given Fairlay has operated with no terms or license for most of it's life, acting like they have one now, to basically steal a deposit on suspicion, is kind of laughable.


    2) It would also be interesting to know how Fairlay imagine this guy is laundering money with a bitcoin book?!? When the player is not getting a receipt or anything to prove where these withdraws are coming from.



    Betg does not smell 100% kosher to me either, but from his reporting of the response and actions Fairlay appears to be even more obviously doing the wrong thing here to me.
    I'm not 100% sure but I don't think they have a license. They have a couple of market makers and bets at Fairlay move lines at Pinny. Neither party is telling the whole story but it's incumbent on Fairlay to pay the player without excuses to confiscate his money.

    Fairlay is invading a player's privacy. Unless there's a court order or it's written in Fairlay's rules, a video isn't needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    A couple of things here guys.

    Betg does not appear to be giving us the full story on his own activities but he makes a couple of good points.


    1) If Fairlay allowed him to do this 39 previous times, where do they get off thinking they have some right to confiscate the 40th deposit?

    They are either complicit by omission or have been intentionally allowing him do it. And no book has the right to confiscate deposited funds anyway, unless they are reported and frozen/forwarded to a legal authority.

    Given Fairlay has operated with no terms or license for most of it's life, acting like they have one now, to basically steal a deposit on suspicion, is kind of laughable.


    2) It would also be interesting to know how Fairlay imagine this guy is laundering money with a bitcoin book?!? When the player is not getting a receipt or anything to prove where these withdraws are coming from.



    Betg does not smell 100% kosher to me either, but from his reporting of the response and actions Fairlay appears to be even more obviously doing the wrong thing here to me.

    I think that going out of beta and now being licensed is part reason they asked for KYC docs and froze his account...AML laws they have t&c listed on site....i can only go by my experience with them which has been extensive over the last 6 months and I am extremely happy with them esp the instant withdrawals and best odds for USA punters..

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    Quote Originally Posted by littlekona View Post
    I think that going out of beta and now being licensed is part reason they asked for KYC docs and froze his account...AML laws they have t&c listed on site....i can only go by my experience with them which has been extensive over the last 6 months and I am extremely happy with them esp the instant withdrawals and best odds for USA punters..
    I didn't realize that they had a license. What license do they have? I'd like to look at it. Thanks
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    https://fairlay.com/legal/.


    Quote Originally Posted by raiders72001 View Post
    I did realize that they had a license. What license do they have? I'd like to look at it. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by littlekona View Post
    thanks

    They have a data processing license. Sportsbooks in CR use data processing licenses. There's no legal reason for a video. CR isn't turning a person in although SBR is much more knowledgeable than I am on CR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by littlekona View Post
    No license from any regulator shown there. Just a business registration in Costa Rica.

    Don't you start getting deceptive with us please Littlekona.

    Fanboing your favorite book is one thing. Lying to shill it is quite another.



    A quick scan through the terms shows these people are not as reasonable as I would like to see. I'll have a better look later but adding a term that no dispute will be accepted more than 3 days after a bet is a good example of what I mean.

    Shows the operators frame of mind and fariness level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    No license from any regulator shown there. Just a business registration in Costa Rica.

    Don't you start getting deceptive with us please Littlekona.

    Fanboing your favorite book is one thing. Lying to shill it is quite another.



    A quick scan through the terms shows these people are not as reasonable as I would like to see. I'll have a better look later but adding a term that no dispute will be accepted more than 3 days after a bet is a good example of what I mean.

    Shows the operators frame of mind and fariness level.
    Despetive? Come on now...I just provided a link from there site after raiders asked...they are not my favorite book btw heritage and or nitrogen is but my wagering volume and frequency of withdrawals with fairlay is highest as they offer UK horses...like I said all along I just go from my personal experience and they are solid book esp for USA punters..

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    Quote Originally Posted by littlekona View Post
    Despetive? Come on now...I just provided a link from there site after raiders asked...they are not my favorite book btw heritage and or nitrogen is but my wagering volume and frequency of withdrawals with fairlay is highest as they offer UK horses...like I said all along I just go from my personal experience and they are solid book esp for USA punters..
    And your input has been appreciated.

    This stuff is probably just them feeling their way as they gain experience, but it's a bad look confiscating nearly $10,000 in deposits from a player to keep themselves, whatever they think this guy has done.

    I hope they re-consider or offer an explanation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by littlekona View Post
    Despetive? Come on now...I just provided a link from there site after raiders asked...they are not my favorite book btw heritage and or nitrogen is but my wagering volume and frequency of withdrawals with fairlay is highest as they offer UK horses...like I said all along I just go from my personal experience and they are solid book esp for USA punters..
    Heritage and Nitrogen, definitely two good books there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    And your input has been appreciated.

    This stuff is probably just them feeling their way as they gain experience, but it's a bad look confiscating nearly $10,000 in deposits from a player to keep themselves, whatever they think this guy has done.

    I hope they re-consider or offer an explanation.
    Looks like it's just a stiff job for 1.2 BTC. Fairlay scared the player with the claim of illegal activities and requesting a video. Then they save face with other players with the claim of illegal activities including money laundering. Being in CR throws out that defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raiders72001 View Post

    Looks like it's just a stiff job for 1.2 BTC. Fairlay scared the player with the claim of illegal activities and requesting a video. Then they save face with other players with the claim of illegal activities including money laundering. Being in CR throws out that defense.
    CR isn't the wild west. Businesses there must not facilitate money laundering by law same as most countries.

    But grabbing a deposit on the 40th round of the same activity they say they don't like seems opportunistic from what we know.

    To launder dirty money people need to create a trail to a legitimate source. I'm not sure how that is done with a bitcoin only book and no record that can used to say where the funds came from. (I could be wrong, there might be a way, but it doesn't appear like it)

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    One of their e-mails when they was still replying to my e-mails:
    "Re: withdrawall delayWe do require the requested KYC documents and a source of the funds you deposited in order to not violate existing AML laws. Regarding the source of funds, please send us a detailed, well documented report, how you obtained these funds.

    Best,
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    I have sent them KYC but I have told them that second point is impossible plus asked how can I proove the source of the funds in one of my bitcoin addresses when I have used them hundreds and I can't iven find this address now... of course mail without reply... I cannot proove this = I am money laundering... I can give much more points where they are "drift out" with their excuses to not payout or return my deposit or just let me to play X-times until I can withdraw the funds. Asked XX - times about their license, never got any reply as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    CR isn't the wild west. Businesses there must not facilitate money laundering by law same as most countries.

    But grabbing a deposit on the 40th round of the same activity they say they don't like seems opportunistic from what we know.

    To launder dirty money people need to create a trail to a legitimate source. I'm not sure how that is done with a bitcoin only book and no record that can used to say where the funds came from. (I could be wrong, there might be a way, but it doesn't appear like it)
    If an exchange thinks that you are doing something illegal they will ban you and pay all funds owned. They ask the same questions as Fairlay but you don't have to reply as a prerequisite of being paid. We would be up in arms if an exchange confiscated our money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raiders72001 View Post
    If an exchange thinks that you are doing something illegal they will ban you and pay all funds owned. They ask the same questions as Fairlay but you don't have to reply as a prerequisite of being paid. We would be up in arms if an exchange confiscated our money.
    I have seen many High rated books freeze accounts for not providing KYC and other accusations in the SBR forum...Add the fact that Betg behavior and explanations can be considered suspicious and not what a normal punter would do and or say esp with 1.2 BTC just adds to case against him...Now if there was anyone else out there that ever had an issue with funds at Fairlay then there may be a worry..But thats not The case Betg is the only one I have ever seen in any forum with a issue..have you guys ever heard of another funds issue with fairlay? raiders you are very respected here for BTC knowledge maybe you can contact fairlay support get a direct response and maybe even try the site I personally like the old.fairlay site better which is still open

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    Appreciate if someone can help as they have stopped answering to my e-mails few months ago...
    @littlekona kyc is sent few months ago... just no video (they have gave me 24h for doing this) also I can't send "detailed, well documented report, how I obtained funds into my bitcoin address" - those points are on irrational level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by littlekona View Post
    I have seen many High rated books freeze accounts for not providing KYC and other accusations in the SBR forum...Add the fact that Betg behavior and explanations can be considered suspicious and not what a normal punter would do and or say esp with 1.2 BTC just adds to case against him...Now if there was anyone else out there that ever had an issue with funds at Fairlay then there may be a worry..But thats not The case Betg is the only one I have ever seen in any forum with a issue..have you guys ever heard of another funds issue with fairlay? raiders you are very respected here for BTC knowledge maybe you can contact fairlay support get a direct response and maybe even try the site I personally like the old.fairlay site better which is still open
    littlekona - thanks for the props. I drop in now and then and place a bet at Fairlay. I started close to day 1 when they site wasn't as pleasing to the eyes. It's still tough to navigate for the amount of plays that I make so I stick to other books.
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    Quote Originally Posted by betg View Post
    Appreciate if someone can help as they have stopped answering to my e-mails few months ago...
    @littlekona kyc is sent few months ago... just no video (they have gave me 24h for doing this) also I can't send "detailed, well documented report, how I obtained funds into my bitcoin address" - those points are on irrational level.
    You should file a complaint with SBR. I don't want to intercede when SBR is your best bet.

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    Thanks I have done file complaint but waiting few weeks with no response still patience. Thank You.

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