BetPhoenix... I wish...

[moonbeam]

[quote=Justin7;2979960] and I have no worries about my money here /quote]

Excuse me, but I´m still interested in this

[johncrud]

Thought they could make money booking everyone, learned they can't? Risk management, kicking out winning players, has kept a lot of books very profitable that otherwise would have no chance of staying in business.

Your right.. But I have an army of friends with each having a different household ip address that would bet for me. I can profit several folds from a single desired company before I am fully restricted.

[JELLYBEAN]

Once fernie passed away they lost a big part of there organization. As far as justin bitching I think it is hilarious. Since when is it the players choice of how a book should book? You are a dime a dozen in this business. I am sure they are not losing any sleep that you will not play in there book anymore. Maybe you should offer your services to them as a bookmaker. I know they need one.

[KGambler]

Here's the problem I have...

In lieu of a larger bonus, I chose the "discount lines option". How come I am staring at dime lines now???

I have a $46K wagering requirement to fulfill. Is it fair that I was promised discount lines, and now I don't appear to be getting them, but I still have the same wagering requirement???

What about the fact that the bulk of my deposit came from a Matchbook transfer, and I now can't transfer back any amount to MB? Admittedly I don't care much about this second problem, since I can still withdraw using other methods. It is kind of annoying though.

[Chuck Sims]

KGambler, If you have a rollover requirement to receive reduced juice, then its taken away from you, you no longer have a rollover requirement. What am I missing here?

[dmtrader]

In lieu of a larger bonus, I chose the "discount lines option". How come I am staring at dime lines now???

What about the fact that the bulk of my deposit came from a Matchbook transfer, and I now can't transfer back any amount to MB? Admittedly I don't care much about this second problem, since I can still withdraw using other methods. It is kind of annoying though.

I have the same problem. Transferred over from MB and took the discount juice in lieu of a bonus.

What can I do? I should have been wiser than to chase unrealistic lines outside of an exchange like MB. BP would have to more than double it's revenues just to recapture the lost gross profit by cutting it's juice in half. it was inevitable that they would return to 110 lines.

They told me they would return to 105 juice for college hoops in March. We will see about that.

[moonbeam]

You would let me play unhindered. When I used to play at your site daily, I watched your management improvements closely. I could see improvements in CS, risk management, and other areas.

Sadly, I have had the "sharp axe" drop on my neck. Lower limits, -110 pricing, delays. I understand the need to do this from a profitability point of view. The secondary consequence though is that I no longer shop at BP. It's not worth my time to probe for weaknesses, and identify improvements or shortcomings.

BP's business model is a mixed bag. It allows high limits for new players with low juice. This is the equivalent of an RSVP invitation to pro players to join. When BP identifies these players, BP eventually takes countermeasures to discourage these players. If BP wants to be a recreational book, why does it do things to draw professionals? If it wants to be a professional book, why does it toss its core playeres?

I hope I can play at BP again. Any reliable shop (and I have no worries about my money here) offering -105 lines is a huge asset for pro players. But why, or why have you forsaken me when other pros come back again and again?

looks like you are no longer interested in your posting Justin

[Cookie Monster]

KGambler, If you have a rollover requirement to receive reduced juice, then its taken away from you, you no longer have a rollover requirement. What am I missing here?

Of course, after completing the rollover, if you show that you have a clue you will be limited and the low price would be worthless.

Worse still, for rollover calculations they use the lower of risk and win. If you bet a lot of moneylines favs that means many extra bets.

[moonbeam]

Maximum payout at Phoenix is $4000 every 2 weeks.

That´s not so good.

[Thremp]

They're slowpaying e-wallets like a pro.

[shrek82]

Maximum payout at Phoenix is $4000 every 2 weeks.

That´s not so good.

Where did you hear?
To me yesterday said that was 4000$ weekly!

[Ruifgalmeida]

justin if you want i can make you bets at pinnacle, i dont have and account in phoenix but I dont see the point of betting there if they give so much trouble.
Bookies must accept pros because they normaly balance money of the squares.
pinnacle lives with(and encourages) pros and they make milions each year.

[WileOut]

Maximum payout at Phoenix is $4000 every 2 weeks.

That´s not so good.

Its 4k per week which is good.

[moonbeam]

[quote=WileOut;3224486]Its 4k per week which is good.[/quote

For me it was 12 days.

I requested the payout via moneybookers at Mondays and they send it Fridays.

They told me I have to wait until next Saturday before I can request another withdrawal.

That´s are 12 days.

That´s the math of Phoenix

[Thremp]

Haha. I've brought this up with other books. Bookmaker now has an extremely clear withdrawal page, which IIRC I'm directly responsible for a good portion of the verbiage on the page. Perhaps enough whining will eventually get BetPhoenix to espouse clarity as well. (Too bad no one can get Bookmaker to use a single time zone. Open a 10 Pacific and close at 1 Eastern IMO)

[Smurf71]

The overall idea that you can not win cause you will be kicked out is sick. Pro status should be determined by size of bets, not by how sharp the player is. After all no player makes a deposit so he can lose his money faster than rabbit gets ****ed! How many good books out there used to like pro business do not accept it anymore? Many and BP has never been a pro book. I call them "4 losers only" books and there are so many out there. Well let's look... Good A+ book that used to accept pro business VIP Sports have turned completley soft , looks like even Viagra won't help it. Lot of this has to do with worldwide economical depression. Also with the fact that markets getting smaller as several good books have cut off US market- the biggest market on planet Earth. But I see as the main reason here the fact that pro player has gotten very sharp! With computers and special software involved that has all the stats from all the games played in last 10 years winning gets easier. Computer can make million operations per second and it will find winning edge if it does exist lot faster than human brain. That is up to the point when in college basketball for example people are finishing seasons with 100+ net wins. That kind of records will pick books apart. They don't have liquidity to put up with this. Even 5 years ago things were different. So for pros there are few pro books and then exchanges-way of a future. I just wish we would live in the world without the walls where we all could have a freedom to play where ever we want, US residents would not have to wear the sign that says "****ed for life" . And BP should change it's structure and turn into exchange. US players need few more good Matchbook type of establishments.

[Snowball]

VIP recently paid out a $102,000 progressive parlay.
I still use them although they no longer take bets over the telephone, internet only.
The customer service is fast on phone and live chat.
Rewards and bonuses are adequate, when you lose they don't count that in a rollover as some do.
Although no longer taking US/Canada customers I have no prob with payout moneygram or check. They will process a wire although do not recommend it.
there are no free withdrawals. The best feature they offer in my opinion is "favorite teams"
where you receive an extra point edge on every game that team plays in its regular season.
You choose 2 favorites per league per season in only NBA,NFL,NCAA Basketball and NCAA Football.
I've considered BetJamaica and Greek but so far really don't have enough reason to change.
There are thousands of grandfathered-in US and Canada players still with active accounts..including posters here who just don't post about them anymore.. Pinnacle won't take new US either.

[Frogger]

Your right.. But I have an army of friends with each having a different household ip address that would bet for me. I can profit several folds from a single desired company before I am fully restricted.

I'm sure when they see 17 wagers coming in all for $500 bet and all from Wacanuunu, Oregon, and all in the same 5 minute span they won't put two and two together.

[pokerplayer22]

I normally come to the rescue when people bash BP but I am so pissed right now at Phil that I almost closed my accounts at BP,BetMania, and WagerChief. Richard tries hard to build relationships and Phil pisses on them.

Its good to know that Phil doesnt discriminate against certain people. I was beginning to think i was just special. He might just be the biggest prick in this industry.

[robertg]

So you're saying you wish a recreational book would conduct it's business like a professional book?

Tomato doesn't understand the point of this thread.

i'm pretty sure the point of the thread is to allow justin7 yet another opportunity to tell everyone how sharp he is!