Wagerweb Theft of almost 10K

[trixtrix]

pls read the original wagerweb theft write-up here: http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbook...ure-theft.html

cliff notes: i deposited at wagerweb and bet several parlays that were accepted and graded.

for the first 1.5 months, i lost almost 2k in those parlays. on early october 2009, i reloaded my account via moneygram for 2k (and was given a reload bonus on top presumably b/c i was losing in their sportsbook). subsequently, in the next 1+ week, i won for the first time. those wagers were accepted/graded and winnings credited to my acct.

they then limited my account in mid october to 100$ limits, at which time i stopped placing wagers with them. then last week, early december (nearly 2 month later! from the last time i placed a wager), they stole/confiscated almost 10k from my account.

pls read SBR subsequent investigation and opinion here: http://www.sportsbookreview.com/sbr/wagerweb/

i will go on official record and state that they have NEVER given me any warning on that subject PRIOR to limiting me, if they can provide an authentic proof of such a warning was received by me as they state, i will not only vacate my claim but also give a matching amount to charity.

they stole almost 5 figures to me, w/ no warning and retroactively, if they can do that to me then they can do that to ANY/ALL players who play there and win big. this is pure theft and as a book collectively they should hang their head in shame!

[trixtrix]

below is the email that was sent to me the day after i had emailed them to ask what happend, after noticing the balance taken out of my account. (w/ obv personal info removed)



pls note there were no mention of any warnings given to me (for the obv reason that there were not any)



the reason given for them to justify their confiscation that i was a professional gambler, lol i can provide w-2's upon request to show that i am a full-time professional civic servant to society (at least to u.s)


i'm not a professional gambler, and as anyone can tell by their actions, neither are they..

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Good Morning,

Mr. xxx, the reason why your payout was not processed was because your account was under investigation, and since that day you have not contact us back for another payout request or for any kind of information.

As you should have done already, we advice you to read our Sportsbook rules & Terms and Conditions.

http://www.wagerweb.com/terms-and-conditions/
http://www.wagerweb.com/sportsbook/general-rules/
·WagerWeb is for recreational players only. (Syndicates, Professional Players and bonus abusers not allowed)
·WagerWeb is not responsible for any misrepresentation by any client of any rule or regulation.
·Customers who are found abusing promotions or rules are subject to having any bonuses earned removed.
·Customers who are found circumnavigating limits are subject to having their accounts shut down and investigated.
·Correlated Bets: WagerWeb does not accept any bet that is considered a correlated multiple, or parlay; even if it was a system error or a clerks mistake, it will be considered no action win or lose.

The amount deducted from the account is the net win/loss of all your correlated parlays.
As you can read on the last rule that I quoted, all correlated bets will be considered no action win or lose.
It is clear that you are a professional gambler therefore we would like you to visit our banking page and request a payout for remaining balance.

http://www.wagerweb.com/banking.php

Thank you for your understanding,

xxx
WagerWeb.com

[michael777]

not surprised,they stole 3,000 from me in 2006,i hit a horse race,they credited my account correctly,next day they cancelled the play,i called and was told that i could not bet horses there,problem is they never told me that,cancelled the bet for no reason,they will rot in hell

[durito]

·Correlated Bets: WagerWeb does not accept any bet that is considered a correlated multiple, or parlay; even if it was a system error or a clerks mistake, it will be considered no action win or lose.

This rule pretty much lets them void any winning parlay they would like.

[Thremp]

Some of you folks need to keep up with the News Feed on SBR. Wagerweb has done some pretty loltastic stuff for a while now.

[trixtrix]

this was never a correlated parlay issue, they jacked my funds b/c i won BIG, as is mo of wagerweb

[Dunder]

Whilst I believe, strongly, that they should pay - I ask whether you were aware of their stated rules on correlated plays and just how high is the degree of correlation we are talking about?

[BubbleBobble]

People need to stay away from those crap books...
they have so many shady rules, they can do whatever they want with your money.
And the sad thing is, nothing can prolly be done against it.

[Mudcat]

This has been WagerWeb's style for a number of years now. I have been reporting similar cases to this forum for quite awhile - often against resistance from SBR people defending them and of course robmpink.

Weasel-book.

[BubbleBobble]

This has been WagerWeb's style for a number of years now. I have been reporting it to this forum for quite awhile (often against the resistance of SBR people defending them).

Weasel-book.

Yea i remember, i used them many years ago when they still were a pretty good B book.
But it was very clear that they changed, listen to peeps like Mudcat...they know their stuff about bookies.

[robmpink]

As stated, this is a rec book. You had to have bet a decent amount of correlated parlays for them to have taken almost 10k. The funds they won't pay are what you earned playing correlated parlays.

Yeah it sucks, but you knew what you were doing. You played the averages, but this is not the book to consistantly do this.

[UV82]

Submit a complaint form and let SBR downgrade them to D if they dont respond

[trixtrix]

Whilst I believe, strongly, that they should pay - I ask whether you were aware of their stated rules on correlated plays and just how high is the degree of correlation we are talking about?

as i stated in the previous thread, this is what makes this situation so grievious

1.) wagerweb have correlated parlay stipulation in rules, however many other books have the same rules in affect, and then they config their software to disallow those parlays.
2.) wagerweb software DISALLOWS/RESTRICTS high correlated parlays, (ie 1st half fav -20/ over 28), their software restricts any parlays where the spread/total ratio exceeds 50%.
3.) so by the fact that they restricted highly correlated parlays, and their software ACCEPTED my plays which i consider to be loosely correlated (1st H: C Mich -9.5 parlayed w/ 1st H: total over 23. another example: 1st H: Kansas -11.5 parlayed w/ 1st H: total over 28.5.)

what can any reasonable/logical man conclude from this except these accepted parlays would be considered FAIR consider they have the ability and did block out those cps that the book believed to be unfair.

that and their admitted selective use of this rule (where they will steal from winner who won these parlays, but NOT refund the losers who lost the parlays) is why this theft is injustifiable

[robmpink]

[QUOTE=Mudcat;2752643]This has been WagerWeb's style for a number of years now. I have been reporting similar cases to this forum for quite awhile - often against resistance from SBR people defending them and of course robmpink.

Weasel-book.[/QU

Yeah I remember when your ghost sources weren't getting paid. What ever happened? Seems like they were nothing but your imagination Mudbundle.

[BubbleBobble]

[quote=robmpink;2752752]

This has been WagerWeb's style for a number of years now. I have been reporting similar cases to this forum for quite awhile - often against resistance from SBR people defending them and of course robmpink.

Weasel-book.[/QU

Yeah I remember when your ghost sources weren't getting paid. What ever happened? Seems like they were nothing but your imagination Mudbundle.

Stop defending those crooks, will you? Geez....some posters should simply be banned.

[robmpink]

It you consistantly do it, they have every right to do what they did. If you have Joe Blow betting a parlay here and there that is considered correlated, no problem.

Rec book. What you did is not the actions of a rec bettor. Therefore you drew attention to yourself. From what is reported here, 9k something, you got really greedy with the correlated parlays. Really, what did you expect?

[trixtrix]

As stated, this is a rec book. You had to have bet a decent amount of correlated parlays for them to have taken almost 10k. The funds they won't pay are what you earned playing correlated parlays.

Yeah it sucks, but you knew what you were doing. You played the averages, but this is not the book to consistantly do this.

again this is a OUTRIGHT LIE from the sportsbook, I already sent my entire parlay wagering history to justin7 and he can verify.

my net winning from all parlays played was 4.3k, i have my full wagering log to back up this number. so they're just making up random large numbers to steal from my account. to date they have not provided justin with the calculation they used to reach the confiscation number.

additionally during the first 2 months that I played the parlays, i LOST 1.8k playing them. so much so that i had to call them and ask for a reload, they even offered me a reload bonus on top, you think they do that b/c they were unhappy w/ my plays at the time when i was losing?

w/ my reload and remaining balance i went on almost exactly 1 week run, but being limited and stopped playing.

so to answer you question: NO, the amount they STOLE was NOT THE SAME amount I won from the parlays

please dont' just the book's side on this b/c you're vip there.

[trixtrix]

It you consistantly do it, they have every right to do what they did. If you have Joe Blow betting a parlay here and there that is considered correlated, no problem.

Rec book. What you did is not the actions of a rec bettor. Therefore you drew attention to yourself. From what is reported here, 9k something, you got really greedy with the correlated parlays. Really, what did you expect?

wtf? nice get an "un-biased" opinion here, read my previous post: i won 4k+ w/ my parlays net, they STOLE 9k+, what i expect? for shills like you to stop defending them

[robmpink]

[QUOTE=BubbleBobble;2752761]

Stop defending those crooks, will you? Geez....some posters should simply be banned.

Yeah, be banned. Please ban me at the suggestion of Bubble Booble, Bubble Booble?

[BubbleBobble]

Yep you got that right. Bubble Booble. Great game.
Better than lameass shills or just clueless monkeys like yourself, anyway.

[robmpink]

wtf? nice get an "un-biased" opinion here, read my previous post: i won 4k+ w/ my parlays net, they STOLE 9k+, what i expect? for shills like you to stop defending them

With the 4k you won on correlated parlays, did you win more money? If you didn't have the correlated parlay winnings, how would you have won the extra money?

Most likely that is how they figured the anount to freeze.

[trixtrix]

With the 4k you won on correlated parlays, did you win more money? If you didn't have the correlated parlay winnings, how would you have won the extra money?

Most likely that is how they figured the anount to freeze.

is this a serious question or are you just looking to find an out for them to steal so you can feel self-justified to keep playing there?

the remaining amount they took out from my balance, remember how i redeposited 2k, plus i had 2-3k left in my balance prior to the reload.

[robmpink]

If Joe Nimnuts made 3 $100 correlated parlays in a month who knows if it would have raised a flag?

If Trix made 10 correlated big parlays in 2 weeks, what do you expect?

[trixtrix]

I got a better idea, robmpink, since you're a vip there, why don't you call them and ASK them how they arrived at the theft amount? that would be far easier the questioning someone who looking in from the outside

[Dunder]

as i stated in the previous thread, this is what makes this situation so grievious

1.) wagerweb have correlated parlay stipulation in rules, however many other books have the same rules in affect, and then they config their software to disallow those parlays.
2.) wagerweb software DISALLOWS/RESTRICTS high correlated parlays, (ie 1st half fav -20/ over 28), their software restricts any parlays where the spread/total ratio exceeds 50%.
3.) so by the fact that they restricted highly correlated parlays, and their software ACCEPTED my plays which i consider to be loosely correlated (1st H: C Mich -9.5 parlayed w/ 1st H: total over 23. another example: 1st H: Kansas -11.5 parlayed w/ 1st H: total over 28.5.)

what can any reasonable/logical man conclude from this except these accepted parlays would be considered FAIR consider they have the ability and did block out those cps that the book believed to be unfair.

that and their admitted selective use of this rule (where they will steal from winner who won these parlays, but NOT refund the losers who lost the parlays) is why this theft is injustifiable

Those are not what I would term as "loosely correlated". I am guessing that you were playing these at Wagerweb for a reason (not accepted by software elsewhere perhaps).

This doesn´t change the fact that I think they should pay you, but given their reputation it is not a total shock that they have chosen to steal from you.

[trixtrix]

If Joe Nimnuts made 3 $100 correlated parlays in a month who knows if it would have raised a flag?

If Trix made 10 correlated big parlays in 2 weeks, what do you expect?

this is so off base that i can only imagine you have not even tried to read the whole story,

i have been placing these parlays for 2 MONTHS, they did nothing except to offer me a reload bonus when I needed to re-up my account b/c i incured at almost 2k loss. then when i finally won in that one week immediately after my reload i was cut off.

if they think these parlays i play are evil, how come they didnt warn me when i called to reload, how come they offered me a reload bonus instead?

people who play there and won gets flagged, no matter what they do, its not the plays its the BOOK

[trixtrix]

Those are not what I would term as "loosely correlated". I am guessing that you were playing these at Wagerweb for a reason (not accepted by software elsewhere perhaps).

This doesn´t change the fact that I think they should pay you, but given their reputation it is not a total shock that they have chosen to steal from you.

as i told justin, about 60% of the parlays i made there i could've made else at b rated books or better, the reason why i did it there was b/c i have a bonus rollover requirement to meet.

[robmpink]

is this a serious question or are you just looking to find an out for them to steal so you can feel self-justified to keep playing there?

the remaining amount they took out from my balance, remember how i redeposited 2k, plus i had 2-3k left in my balance prior to the reload.

I actually am on a WagerWeb break for a bit since I went on a very good run there the last 3 weeks and had just about fizzled out. I can't get reloads within reason, understandably so.


Let me guess. You redeposited 2k, even with 2/3k in your account since you knew you can gauge them. This would have raised a flag.

Bud, maybe after reading more I will admit I'm wrong. I'm not a shill. I'm being objective in the matter. What is listed in their rules, in my opinion, addresses situations such as this.

[robmpink]

this is so off base that i can only imagine you have not even tried to read the whole story,

i have been placing these parlays for 2 MONTHS, they did nothing except to offer me a reload bonus when I needed to re-up my account b/c i incured at almost 2k loss. then when i finally won in that one week immediately after my reload i was cut off.

if they think these parlays i play are evil, how come they didnt warn me when i called to reload, how come they offered me a reload bonus instead?

people who play there and won gets flagged, no matter what they do, its not the plays its the BOOK

I would guess that if you are losing, your account wouldn't be reviwed as much as if you were winning. When you started to win betting multiple correlated parlays, it drew attention. I don't find this odd.

[Dunder]

as i told justin, about 60% of the parlays i made there i could've made else at b rated books or better, the reason why i did it there was b/c i have a bonus rollover requirement to meet.

OK, understood.
Are SBR able to do anything else (aside from the downgrade) on your behalf?

[robmpink]

as i told justin, about 60% of the parlays i made there i could've made else at b rated books or better, the reason why i did it there was b/c i have a bonus rollover requirement to meet.

From my experiences with them, they have been nothing but fair to me.They don't like people taking advantage of them. I see you posting here somewhat often, and you have replied in some WW threads. I'm sure you were fully aware that they don't like sharp play, hence rec book. Why would you think making a move, going on a streak would go unoticed? If you won 4k betting uncorrelated parlay, do you think they wouldn't pay you? Of course they would.

If you had a question, you should have asked when you just started winning playing these parlays.

[BubbleBobble]

No, what he actually should do is stop wasting his time with peeps like you Rob. Just go away.

[robmpink]

Did you ever notice how either the shot takers or non rec bettors are the only ones to have a dispute with Wagerweb?

Night night!

[robmpink]

No, what he actually should do is stop wasting his time with peeps like you Rob. Just go away.

Booblehubble, glad you joined sbr for the points! Maybe you could step up and order a pizza or two for your family x-mas dinner this year.

[trixtrix]

Did you ever notice how either the shot takers or non rec bettors are the only ones to have a dispute with Wagerweb?

Night night!

robmpink the lone defender of wagerweb, stronger than bullet and more illogical than a concrete building.. if that's the best wagerweb can have to defend them immoral actions then it does not bother me that much

so you do you determine whos pro and whos rec in wagerweb? it easy, the guy who wins duh (no wonder robmpink is still on the rec classifcation there)