RebateWager

[RebateWager]

Where is it stated that the player was paid that amount, and how is that relevant? Are you implying that you only attempt to cheat winning players?

Its relevant because this has nothing to do with paying players and everything to do with posted rules. In the dispute that you bring up we provided SBR with tapes confirming that this player was made aware of our rules prior to placing those wagers and choose to ignore them.

In jrods case our rules clearly state that if a player provides false information when creating an account we can at our discretion cancel his wagers and winnings.

Its players like jrods that ultimately costs those players that play buy the rules.

[Jrod124]

Look this is so stupid, What exactly is the case here. I asked to get a Western Union under my fathers name. Ok, u guys can't do it ok. Alot of books will let u do it if its under the same last name. Jazz Bet about a week ago let me do it no problems as long as it was the same last name. So if its against policy fine, but to suspend the account?

The Fake Phone number? When I sign up for books that I don't have a account for the Beat the Prick I always provide a fake number. I don't want people calling me. And I am sure others have done this. I gave a fake number at Jazz, did they care no? I won so they paid me.

The point is if u don't want to send the Western Union fine. I will take a check to the name and address on the account. I wanted to keep betting there but I guess u don't want my action. Send a check to the name on the account, if it truely isn't indeed me then I guess I won't be getting paid anyway. I have read of some things on SBR, but wow

[big joe 1212]

Its relevant because this has nothing to do with paying players and everything to do with posted rules. In the dispute that you bring up we provided SBR with tapes confirming that this player was made aware of our rules prior to placing those wagers and choose to ignore them.

In jrods case our rules clearly state that if a player provides false information when creating an account we can at our discretion cancel his wagers and winnings.

Its players like jrods that ultimately costs those players that play buy the rules.

[Jrod124]

Big Joe, how am I ghost if I sent them my old DL with my address on it? I mean come on. I had some problems speeding if u know what I mean and got my DL taken away. So if I get a western union I get it under a different name. Not uncommon. If this place doesn't want to that fine. A check to the NAME ON THE ACCOUNT works

[big joe 1212]

Look this is so stupid, What exactly is the case here. I asked to get a Western Union under my fathers name. Ok, u guys can't do it ok. Alot of books will let u do it if its under the same last name. Jazz Bet about a week ago let me do it no problems as long as it was the same last name. So if its against policy fine, but to suspend the account?

The Fake Phone number? When I sign up for books that I don't have a account for the Beat the Prick I always provide a fake number. I don't want people calling me. And I am sure others have done this. I gave a fake number at Jazz, did they care no? I won so they paid me.

The point is if u don't want to send the Western Union fine. I will take a check to the name and address on the account. I wanted to keep betting there but I guess u don't want my action. Send a check to the name on the account, if it truely isn't indeed me then I guess I won't be getting paid anyway. I have read of some things on SBR, but wow

You said you didnt have an ID. What happened to that story?

Of course you dont mind a check in anothers name! You can sign whatever name and cash it in your account!

[big joe 1212]

Where is it stated that the player was paid that amount, and how is that relevant? Are you implying that you only attempt to cheat winning players?

Rebatewager ended up paying this person for the teaser!

If they have it on tape where they warned the guy, then RW is very kind to pay it out in the end!

[Jrod124]

Bro read the next post. I had my ID from my I had to send it to 5dimes in my email. And I pretty sure u have to be the account holder to the cash a check in your bank account.

[JerseyShop101]

Big Joe, how am I ghost if I sent them my old DL with my address on it? I mean come on. I had some problems speeding if u know what I mean and got my DL taken away. So if I get a western union I get it under a different name. Not uncommon. If this place doesn't want to that fine. A check to the NAME ON THE ACCOUNT works

Just go to the local DMV and get a regular state ID. Takes just a few minutes if the lines not long. Thats what everyone else does that loses their drivers license to points.

[RiverRaid]

They paid me in about 15 minutes this morning. Got a withdrawal to my debit card and the best part is it is free. I like the book and will continue playing there.

[Jrod124]

Thats thing I like the book too, RiverRaid. I would like to keep playing here. I hope this getsresolved and I just go back to making picks. As I have said I have nothing bad to say about this shop at this time

[RebateWager]

Jrod ,

We are leaving the decision entirely up to SBR on this one. If they tell us to pay out a player who has set up a contest account with fake info we will gladly do so. What you have to understand is that we met our obligation to you under the BTP contest. We credited your winnings which you lost. We then gave you a rebate as part of our bonus and when you signed up for the contest and opened an account you were bound by our rules. It's not about a payout it's about players respecting the rules. All you had to do was give us your real phone and real email address and we could have verified your identity and had you paid but you choose to provide false information and you should except the blame here not post make a post questioning our integrity.

[Jrod124]

I accepting blame, I provided a fake phone number. My bad, I am sure I am not the only one. But to not pay someone because of it, seems wrong. I not questioning your intergrity. I like your shop, I wanna keep playing there I have made that clear. But I gave u my name and address, where was shown on my ID. If u refused to pay everyone for providing a false phone number, I am sure I wouldn't be the only one complaining.

When I want a payout I will get in my name, I get it. Thats what this all about isn't it? Why can't my account get un suspended and I keep playing. This thing is really going on longer than I expected. I am going to miss 2 days of action now

[RebateWager]

As per Blackie we will process a Moneygram payout for 1600 tomorrow. The moneygram will be sent to the name that was used to open up the account. Its free money so it shouldn't be to much trouble for you to get a state id and collect your winnings. We will have a control number for you by noon. Should we email to the address you used to open your ccount or will you be providing us with a real one?

[Jrod124]

no way I can keep playing, RW? I understand the rules now. But yes if this the only way, the email on the account is fine. Thank you

[HedgeHog]

Ricky lets not forget to tell everyone how this player in question was payed over 28,000 and that his bet was nullified after repeated violations of our open betting rules with the final outcome below.



REBATEWAGER rule: "Open parlays and teasers must be closed in the same calendar week that they are opened. Failure to do so will result in the wager being scored as a loss. You cannot bet opposite sides of the same game in an open parlay if you have a pending parlay involving that game."

11/4/2009 11:53 AM
REBATEWAGER pays player in open teaser dispute
REBATEWAGER (SBR rating B-) has paid the player whose winning open teaser was graded as a loss. REBATEWAGER's posted rule on open teasers is that all teaser legs must be filled within one week. However, REBATEWAGER has stated its standard procedure is to honor all accepted wagers and legs of open teasers. REBATEWAGER paid the first three legs of the teaser which were placed in the allowed time-frame. The book cites multiple warnings to this player as for honoring only the teaser legs within the 1 week stated period.

How does open betting violate anything? You're still filling opens with fair lines. Sounds like a convenient way for RW to steal money.

PS You basically stole a client's money and paid SBR some ad money to raise your Book rating to the B level.

[acarmelo1]

At this point we have confirmed that the player requested a payout to a name other then the one he used on his sign up. In addition he provided a fake phone number and email address when opening the account. We are waiting to hear back from SBR as to what the specific BTP rules are.

rebate wager guy

you got to know that soem people dont put real phone numbers in sportsbooks account cuz they just call you all the time offering stuff.

And its ANNOYING

Betpheonix has called me 2 times while I am at work offering stuff I dont want.

its ANNOYING its ANNOYING
its ANNOYING

If I want to see the promo I will go to the site!!!

[BigDaddy]

this looks like a shit book. they seem to want to make excuses not to pay

i see why i haven't deposited into them yet and i'm glad i didn't.


what a mickey mouse operation you guys run.

if i had funds in this book i would take them out and play at a book that has a clue.

[big joe 1212]

It sounded like Jrod provided a lot of false information, not just a phone #.

I understand giving a false phone # since the cold calls are ridiculous.

I have thought about doing this too, but do not want any hassles when it comes to cashing out.

[BigDaddy]

look the guy said send the check in the account holders name.


what he asked for was not that uncommon and rebatewager just wants to find an excuse not to pay.

play offshore long enough you will not be able to pick up ** or ** in your name.

it sucks but we have the US government to thank for that

[RebateWager]

How does open betting violate anything? You're still filling opens with fair lines. Sounds like a convenient way for RW to steal money.

PS You basically stole a client's money and paid SBR some ad money to raise your Book rating to the B level.

Each book treats open wageris differently with different time limits on when they should be closed. There is no standard. In our case open plays needed to be closed within the same calendar week that they are opened.

If you don't like the rule don't place the bet.

In this particular dispute we did not take the bet and attempt to cancel it afterwards by bringing up some obscure rule.

The player was made aware of the rules, the player agreed to the rules but did not abide by them.

Yet you think we are stealing?

We give so much to our players and altimetely it's players like these that will ruin for evryone else.

[shantystar]

I won money on BTP, ran it up to 1600 bucks and now they won't pay me because I provided the wrong phone number? They say "SBR is investgating" Am I out of luck here? I provided the correct address and sent them proof of that

they cannt pay you as they are stiff bookie.

[HedgeHog]

RW:

Yes you did steal $2000 from that player:

Player comments:
I opened a $500 4-team teaser with 2 open spots on Sunday Oct 18th. The 2nd leg, DEN +10 won on Monday night, the 19th. I closed the last two spots on Sunday Oct 25th, NO pk and PHI -1. After the last selection won, they graded it a win and then later took $2000 from my account claiming "open spots must be filled within one week, graded as loss." This is a BS rule in any case, but regardless I did not break it since I filled all of the spots within that week! They're just outright stealing $2000 from me.

[RebateWager]

they cannt pay you as they are stiff bookie.

A ** was sent out this morning for 1600 to the name that was used to open the account not the alternate name the player privided. If he is who he says he is he will be able to pick up his winnings.

[HedgeHog]

When does the winner of the four-team teaser get his $2000?

[RebateWager]

RW:

Yes you did steal $2000 from that player:

Player comments:
I opened a $500 4-team teaser with 2 open spots on Sunday Oct 18th. The 2nd leg, DEN +10 won on Monday night, the 19th. I closed the last two spots on Sunday Oct 25th, NO pk and PHI -1. After the last selection won, they graded it a win and then later took $2000 from my account claiming "open spots must be filled within one week, graded as loss." This is a BS rule in any case, but regardless I did not break it since I filled all of the spots within that week! They're just outright stealing $2000 from me.

You actually placed the wager on the 14th with your first two spots playing on the 18th. Based on our rules you needed to close all your spots by the 18th, the same calender week that they were open.

Youmake think it is a bs rule but it's our rule and if you didn't like our rules you shouldn't have made the wager.

We provided SBR with tapes where you agreed to our rules. In addition we gave them a copy of the time stamp from DGS that cleary shows that the wager was placed on the 14th and not the 18th.

[RebateWager]

When does the winner of the four-team teaser get his $2000?

Put your money where your mouth is Big shoot. We have all the proof on our end that you were aware of our rules and did not open your wager on the date you are stating and did not close it within the timeframe of our rules.

[RebateWager]

When does the winner of the four-team teaser get his $2000?

11/4/2009 11:53 AM
REBATEWAGER pays player in open teaser dispute
REBATEWAGER (SBR rating B-) has paid the player whose winning open teaser was graded as a loss. REBATEWAGER's posted rule on open teasers is that all teaser legs must be filled within one week. However, REBATEWAGER has stated its standard procedure is to honor all accepted wagers and legs of open teasers. REBATEWAGER paid the first three legs of the teaser which were placed in the allowed time-frame. The book cites multiple warnings to this player as for honoring only the teaser legs within the 1 week stated period. | View initial report

[BigDaddy]

"REBATEWAGER paid the first three legs of the teaser which were placed in the allowed time-frame. The book cites multiple warnings to this player as for honoring only the teaser legs within the 1 week stated period"


did you pay him for a 3 team teaser or 4 team?

if it was a 3 team teaser please explain how the 3rd team was placed in the time frame allowed but not the 4th?

if the player closed the last 2 spots on the same date?

"I closed the last two spots on Sunday Oct 25th, NO pk and PHI -1."

[RebateWager]

11/4/2009 11:53 AM
REBATEWAGER pays player in open teaser dispute
REBATEWAGER (SBR rating B-) has paid the player whose winning open teaser was graded as a loss. REBATEWAGER's posted rule on open teasers is that all teaser legs must be filled within one week. However, REBATEWAGER has stated its standard procedure is to honor all accepted wagers and legs of open teasers. REBATEWAGER paid the first three legs of the teaser which were placed in the allowed time-frame. The book cites multiple warnings to this player as for honoring only the teaser legs within the 1 week stated period. | View initial report

[HedgeHog]

Put your money where your mouth is Big shoot. We have all the proof on our end that you were aware of our rules and did not open your wager on the date you are stating and did not close it within the timeframe of our rules.

I'm not the one who made the bet, moron. Care to bet on that? Your calendar week rule sucks and is just an excuse for you to steal. The guy won his bet and you stole it back after it won. You guys are no better than Sportsbook.com in that respect.

BTW, what happens when a filled open bet goes past midnight on the 7th day. The bet gets graded on day eight, so are you justified in stealing in this situation, too?

PS I just read that you paid the guy for a 3-teamer instead of four. So I guess you're just smaller thieves.

[BigDaddy]

11/4/2009 11:53 AM
REBATEWAGER pays player in open teaser dispute
REBATEWAGER (SBR rating B-) has paid the player whose winning open teaser was graded as a loss. REBATEWAGER's posted rule on open teasers is that all teaser legs must be filled within one week. However, REBATEWAGER has stated its standard procedure is to honor all accepted wagers and legs of open teasers. REBATEWAGER paid the first three legs of the teaser which were placed in the allowed time-frame. The book cites multiple warnings to this player as for honoring only the teaser legs within the 1 week stated period. | View initial report

yes i read that.

how does that answer my question

please tell us when the last 2 legs were filled and if they were filled at the same time like the player stated?

[big joe 1212]

This is all simple. While I'm usually on the player sides, I have to side with RW here!

The player was warned several times about the rule, but kept breaking the rule. They have the tapes to prove that they warned him.

I agree that it's a crappy rule, but if the players do not like the rule, simply just don't place the bets!

I think they may have this rule in place because of accounting rules/issues at their book, but I'm only guessing here! Maybe they have to close out bets at week end.

[vitalyo]

I would have to agree with big joe1212

It sounded like Jrod provided a lot of false information, not just a phone #.

I understand giving a false phone # since the cold calls are ridiculous.

I have thought about doing this too, but do not want any hassles when it comes to cashing out.

My self i hardly defend any book .

they cannt pay you as they are stiff bookie.

I had never had an account with them . I am about to open one .
The whole trend is a bit out of hand . The way i see it almost every book had a dispute here .
What ever the rules are for one week teaser .Read the rules and avoid been close to break them .(my theory ).

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play offshore long enough you will not be able to pick up ** or ** in your name.

it sucks but we have the US government to thank for that

Call the book before you open an account ,ask them if you can deposit in one name and withdraw in the other . (tell them you do that many transactions via ** and you don't wanna use your real name for withdrawals . Most likely they will ask you for your ID at the time of the deposit (UK books would hang up on you). And the problem solved ).
Most of the UK books if not 100% wouldn't even talk to Jrod124 account closed .Bye .
Harsh but it's true .


According Jrod124 all he did ,provided rebatewager with false phone # .
Rebatewager should pay 100% I agree .
But somehow i feel there is more to this story .


Look Rebatewager came out clean on this one . They said what ever SBR rules on this case they will go with that . Sweet .

No need to bush them (for now) . Lets see first who tried to play one for a "donkey " .

GL.

[RiverRaid]

I don't know anything about previous situations, only what i have read in this thread. Its seems that if you have a case of wrongdoing Rebatewager gives SBR the right to judge the situation, which i think is an excellent decision.

So just follow the rules, pick winners and you get paid.

[RiverRaid]

I will say they have some strange rules, but its up to the player to play there or not.