Anyone playing at BETAGAME currently?

**Optional** · 02-28-23, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by Fishhead

Never encountered any issues when playing with BAG......and customer service was very good.

Having said that, been awhile since played at BAG.....guessing at least 4 months or so, not sure exactly without looking it up.

Doesn't the Betagame rep LYING about them not closing Ksherm's account and stealing their funds not concern you??

Scroll back in this thread for absolute proof Betagame lied before you question it again Fishhead.

DONT BE PROMOTING NON_PAYING AND SCAM BOOKS ON SBR. JUST BLOODY STOP IT WITH PROVEN BAD ONES LIKE BETAGAME HERE AND CASHBET IN THE OTHER THREAD.

**Fishhead** · 02-28-23, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by Optional

Doesn't the Betagame rep LYING about them not closing Ksherm's account and stealing their funds not concern you??

Scroll back in this thread for absolute proof Betagame lied before you question it again Fishhead.

DONT BE PROMOTING NON_PAYING AND SCAM BOOKS ON SBR. JUST BLOODY STOP IT WITH PROVEN BAD ONES LIKE BETAGAME HERE AND CASHBET IN THE OTHER THREAD.

I didn't reup at BAG because of this thread sir.............that's why started it, to hear current comments.

**Optional** · 02-28-23, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by Fishhead

I didn't reup at BAG because of this thread sir.............that's why started it, to hear current comments.

Then why do you have the need to bump both threads with positive comments in the midst of victimized players trying to get their messages out there?

Anyway, each time you do it I will come back with a loud warning so if your intent is to help these two books it is not going to work.

**Ksherm** · 03-02-23, 10:16 AM

The Bookie.. since you still wont answer any emails.. WHAT KYC DO YOU NEED TO OPEN THE ACCOUNT? You have had the money locked up for 4 months now for no reason!!!

**Ksherm** · 03-05-23, 10:42 AM

Hello? What more KYC do you possibly need? "The Bookie" ??

**ace7550** · 03-05-23, 11:06 AM

They're not going to pay you. Very small shop. Not the place you want to run up a balance. Sorry Sherm

**Ksherm** · 03-11-23, 06:34 AM

The Bookie. Why won’t you answer me on what KYC you need?

**thebookie** · 03-11-23, 11:01 AM

Because you ( Ksherm ) do NOT have an active account with Betagame.ag

**Ksherm** · 03-12-23, 10:39 AM

Well you dont answer any emails from the account owner.. Explain that.

And you blocked her chat.. Great customer service over there!

**Ksherm** · 03-16-23, 11:35 AM

Boycott BETAGAME.ag

Soon as you start to win.. . They will close your account and steal your money.. Even though they make you verify your account before depositing they will ask you again for everything but your first born.. and still not reopen your account..

Stay away from these SCAMMERS!

**MadJack** · 03-18-23, 08:41 AM

Maybe SHERMAN is the *SCAMMER*I've been following this thread as Betagame is one of my main sponsors. I have sent them many hundreds if not thousands of players over the last 8 years or so and I have NEVER had a complaint about them not paying people.SHERMAN seems to have a history of the same issues with multiple books over the years. Check his history.That's if from me but if I had to bet, my money would be on BAG as the innocent party in this dispute.I hate seeing a good book get raked over the coals like Betagame is in this thread.

(Betagame has no idea I am posting this here. I guess they will know soon enough.)

**Woyha** · 03-18-23, 08:51 AM

Only deposit there if you know you can lose .. Thats the only way you can be happy there .. Well u would be better off asking a friend to flip coins and post money up .. They limit you if you win a little like if tou get up 2 -3 k you will probably be limited .. Tic tac book well red and white peppermint candy book .. the one thats free everywhere

**Ksherm** · 03-18-23, 11:04 AM

Its not even my account. I was posting for a friend. Betagame is totally in the wrong here. Even Optimal agrees.. If you dont know the details dont chime in. Thanks though MadJACK with your 4 posts..

**HedgeHog** · 03-19-23, 08:13 PM

Originally posted by MadJack

Maybe SHERMAN is the *SCAMMER*I've been following this thread as Betagame is one of my main sponsors. I have sent them many hundreds if not thousands of players over the last 8 years or so and I have NEVER had a complaint about them not paying people.SHERMAN seems to have a history of the same issues with multiple books over the years. Check his history.That's if from me but if I had to bet, my money would be on BAG as the innocent party in this dispute.I hate seeing a good book get raked over the coals like Betagame is in this thread.

(Betagame has no idea I am posting this here. I guess they will know soon enough.)

You're a real piece of shiit Jack. I signed up with Betagame several years ago and ran into a no-pay problem with them. I knew they were a sponsor of yours and contacted you personally. I also posted my grievance at your website, and did so respectfully given your relationship with the Book. You then contacted me via email asking me if I gave your site a referral. How could I because I didn't even know about your forum at the time I signed up. So I got no help at at all from you at the time--plus you banned me from your site for posting a legitimate complaint. Now you have the nerve to post here in support of your shiit sponsor. It should not be allowed and I'm asking SBR to ban your sorry ass too.

Note: This is MadJacks business model. They get advertising revenue from a handful of books, some of which are not that good--like Betagame. Then they get revenue from their posters that sign up with their iffy sponsor Books and give MadJack credit for the referral. Without the referral, you're on your own and you get booted if you complain. BAG is a Crap Book and MadJacks is a Crap forum.

**MadJack** · 03-20-23, 08:35 AM

I signed up with Betagame several years ago and ran into a no-pay problem with them. I knew they were a sponsor of yours and contacted you personally. I also posted my grievance at your website, and did so respectfully given your relationship with the Book.

Your beef was with Griffin, not Betagame, and I did help you out with the problem you had with him. If you want a link to that thread, email me and I'll send it to you. I thought I had a bad memory but I'm glad it's not as bad as yours.

Despite my obvious frustration, I have no problem with Jack. I've heard nothing but good things about him. I know for a fact he reached out to 1V, but I have no record of Griff calling me back. Instead, the partner Zack did, so apparently he received the message.

**Optional** · 03-20-23, 08:55 AM

Originally posted by MadJack

Maybe SHERMAN is the *SCAMMER*I've been following this thread as Betagame is one of my main sponsors. I have sent them many hundreds if not thousands of players over the last 8 years or so and I have NEVER had a complaint about them not paying people.SHERMAN seems to have a history of the same issues with multiple books over the years. Check his history.That's if from me but if I had to bet, my money would be on BAG as the innocent party in this dispute.I hate seeing a good book get raked over the coals like Betagame is in this thread.

(Betagame has no idea I am posting this here. I guess they will know soon enough.)

Madjack, Ksherm and "friends" do act suspiciously and have come under scrutiny from multiple books over the years.

But just because a couple of them are women, and Ksherm has a habit of winning, is not a fair reason to confiscate her funds.

If you have a good relationship with Betagame, how about having a chat with them and ask this question; "What activities have these accounts been up to that can be seen as giving them any joint advantage?"

Having tried to mediate other complaints by Ksherm I know of no allegation ever that suggests she cheats to win. Abuses bonuses. Circumvents limits. Or anything else that could justify taking her money. If there had been any proof of that Ksherm would have been banned from SBR. We don't support scammers.

Again, I do understand why Thebookie is suspicious. And I do think Ksherm is not easy to deal with, mainly because she is fairly open and does not try to hide her connection to friends and insists she does nothing wrong and should be able to talk for others on here. But Betagame appear to be simply using more and more KYC requests to simply bully and delay paying her.

This is one where Betagame should Put Up Some Evidence, or shut up and pay what is owed now.

You sound like you are in a good spot to help make that happen?

**Ksherm** · 03-20-23, 10:37 AM

Exactally. Been 4 months now. And Betagame has shown no proof of any wrongdoing.. How do they justify stealing over $9000?????

**HedgeHog** · 03-20-23, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by MadJack

Your beef was with Griffin, not Betagame, and I did help you out with the problem you had with him. If you want a link to that thread, email me and I'll send it to you. I thought I had a bad memory but I'm glad it's not as bad as yours.

I had beefs with both 1-Vice (Griffin) and Betagame some 7 years ago or so (can't be more exact with my faulty memory--LOL). The Betagame dispute I was left to resolve on my own. And to be fair to your questionable sponsor, I was eventually paid in full by Betagame--no thanks to you. I'm not surprised you don't remember our Betagame discussion. Easy enough to forget after you deleted my posts about them. That's your MO, delete posts that are unfavorable about your sponsor Books and permanently ban the ones that do so.

Note: Odd that you didn't mention 1-Vice by name, instead referring to the long gone "Griffin". Probably just a coincidence that 1-Vice is still a sponsor of yours and you might not want to bring up an ugly incident involving them and several clients like me. Some great books you're promoting Jack...1-Vice, Betagame and so on. As long as your palm is greased, you continue to back their crooked actions.

**HedgeHog** · 03-20-23, 01:17 PM

"If betagame.ag considers that a player is part of a betting syndicate or it has used any type of software or service to gain an advantage and maximize earnings, we reserve the right to withhold any payment(s) as well as to disable the account at any given time."

How convenient that Betagame has a clause that gives them the "right" to confiscate funds if they just "consider" that you are part of a syndicate. Apparently no proof is required, just close the account and take the balance. Seems like this is what happened to Ksherm. She reached the 5-figure mark which allowed BAG to "consider" stealing her funds.

**Optional** · 03-20-23, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by HedgeHog

"If betagame.ag considers that a player is part of a betting syndicate or it has used any type of software or service to gain an advantage and maximize earnings, we reserve the right to withhold any payment(s) as well as to disable the account at any given time."

I'm not disputing their right to have a rule like that.

As long as the RED WORDS can be shown to be true.

And it is administered fairly.

It appears that Betagame are not doing it fairly here as I do not believe they can even come up with a plausible theory about how Ksherm is gaining any advantage. Let alone some sort of proof of it.

Boot her if you don't like her, but without the "gaining an advantage" angle, Betagame are the ones cheating/stealing with this confiscation. Not Ksherm.

**Ksherm** · 03-20-23, 07:54 PM

Agreed Optional. Where was the advantage? If they say multiple acts.. Sherman last played there in 2019.. I dont see how that helps at all.. The connection with her is their reason to steal $9000 i guess.. I guess u cant have friends that tell you about a sportsbook anymore.. The Bookie has been awful quiet..

**TheMoneyShot** · 03-20-23, 11:53 PM

Wow. I don't think I've ever seen a customer and someone from that said sportsbook arguing about KYC. Had to blink twice.

Clearly if anyone reads this thread... they are going to stay away from BETAGAME. Classless on their part. Once I heard 1. Customer needs to supply us with copy of most recent payslip from employer. AND 2. Recent bank statement copy that shows salary being paid... HA HA HA! I'd tell you TO GET FU##ED! What kind of POS sportsbook are you running pal? Running a G Damn circus over there.

**Ksherm** · 03-21-23, 08:07 AM

Thats not even the worst. Now they want me and my friend together in a picture with id's. Never heard of such a thing.. Just because she got the word out on here after Betagame blocked chat and stopped answering emails and phone calls.. When asked if that would make them open my account and his exact words were .. It cant hurt.. So they are just playing games and dont want to pay the 9k.. SHADY !!!

**garyking** · 03-21-23, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by TheMoneyShot

Wow. I don't think I've ever seen a customer and someone from that said sportsbook arguing about KYC. Had to blink twice.

Clearly if anyone reads this thread... they are going to stay away from BETAGAME. Classless on their part. Once I heard 1. Customer needs to supply us with copy of most recent payslip from employer. AND 2. Recent bank statement copy that shows salary being paid... HA HA HA! I'd tell you TO GET FU##ED! What kind of POS sportsbook are you running pal? Running a G Damn circus over there.

Funny how things have changed over the last year and a half. I joined both Betagame and Youbetonit about a year and a half ago based on the POSITIVE threads here at SBR. Now there's a bunch of negative threads for both.

Fortunately I went bust at YBOI but still have about a $500 balance at Betagame which I haven't finished the rollover yet.

So I can't speak as to whether they pay or not.

Would like to hear from someone who has been paid there to see if this is just an isolated incident.

But I certainly wouldn't have joined either book if the threads hadn't been overwhelmingly positive at the time.

**KS1986** · 03-21-23, 03:43 PM

Was one account cut from promos and the other opened afterwards?

**TheMoneyShot** · 03-21-23, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by Ksherm

Thats not even the worst. Now they want me and my friend together in a picture with id's. Never heard of such a thing.. Just because she got the word out on here after Betagame blocked chat and stopped answering emails and phone calls.. When asked if that would make them open my account and his exact words were .. It cant hurt.. So they are just playing games and dont want to pay the 9k.. SHADY !!!

If this sportsbook had any brains whatsoever.... they'd square you up on the 9k.... if they wanted consistent future business with other possible clients. This thread isn't going away.... and you can even GOOGLE it now. So it's extremely bad publicity on their part.

This KYC is a stall tactic... and nothing more. If a book accepts a deposit.... GAME ON! Pay the client. After paying the 9k... if they wish to say goodbye to you.... that's being professional.

**Ksherm** · 03-22-23, 09:00 AM

Funny part is they had to call before the first deposit to verify the account and speak to the account owner.. Which they did and everything was fine.. Then a week later after the account was at 11k had to do more verifications (about 15 different things they wanted) selfies, video selfies, proof of funds, paychecks, bank statements, phone bills. Just crazy!! when the rollover was only half way done. Just BS!

**Ksherm** · 03-25-23, 06:38 AM

Guess BETAGAME doesn’t care about their shady reputation. Add them to the list with Cashbet and Bettheline. 👎👎👎

**KS1986** · 03-25-23, 07:05 AM

Originally posted by Ksherm

Guess BETAGAME doesn’t care about their shady reputation. Add them to the list with Cashbet and Bettheline. 

Don't think they are the same as those 2 books, you are the only one with a payout complaint AFAIK. Do you know of other nonpayment complaints?

**Ksherm** · 03-25-23, 10:05 AM

Ya read the thread...

**KS1986** · 03-25-23, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by Ksherm

Ya read the thread...

I didn't see anyone else post about non payment.

**KS1986** · 03-25-23, 10:19 AM

I just reread it, I see Ace has a friend that didn't get paid.

**Ksherm** · 03-27-23, 01:52 PM

Betagame must be broke. Closing accounts half way thru the rollover and asking for ridiculous KYC info.

**Ksherm** · 04-05-23, 12:02 PM

Latest update.. Got in touch with "Lisa" via email. She said Zach would call Asap.. To try to get this rectified Been 4 days now no phone call.. The bookie... Are you the Zach thats supposed to call and never did?

**HedgeHog** · 04-15-23, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by Ksherm

Latest update.. Got in touch with "Lisa" via email. She said Zach would call Asap.. To try to get this rectified Been 4 days now no phone call.. The bookie... Are you the Zach thats supposed to call and never did?

It would make sense that "the bookie" is "Zach". Zach is actually Robbie M\*\*\*\*\*\* , a name that many older bettors will recognize as the owner of Apex Sportsbook --an F rated book from the early 2000's. He is appropriately nicknamed "McFail". Since his epic fail with Apex, Robbie has inserted himself in other faltering sportsbooks--like 1Vice in 2016 when I first encountered him. He comes to the "rescue" of these underfunded books, but doesn't do a full bailout. Instead, he keeps the squares and boots the ones he thinks are pros--but doesn't pay them the full value of their accounts. He'll either stiff these clients or try to settle for pennies on the dollar. If Zach/Robbie is now involved with Betagame, as it appears, I don't like your chances at a full recovery. He may just avoid you altogether and offer you nothing.

Note that Betagame and 1Vice are both sponsor books at Mad Jack Sports Forum. And prior to this thread, Mad Jack had only 3 posts on SBR since he signed up in 2007. He obviously chimed in to support "the bookie" who has been outspoken in support of Betagame this entire thread. Thus it makes perfect sense that Zach/Robbie is the the poster known as "The Bookie". Kind of feels like a Masked Singer moment--"I know exactly who this is" (LOL!).

What's even worse about Zach/Robbie is that he owns RDG Corp, a business that provides software for would-be bookies. Unfortunately, many of these sites are seriously underfunded and doomed to failure---not that he cares. Because that's when he swoops in to rescue most of that book's clients--but just the ones that are net losers. So he invests some capital to take partial ownership in a book that is now 100% comprised of squares. It's a win-win for him. The only losers are people like you and me that get stiffed or partially stiffed. Hopefully you get something from Zach/Robbie but it won't be out of the goodness of his heart. He wants this thread to go away with as little damage to Betagame as possible,