All Youwager and Betpop Issues

[fedex11204]

For those of you who private messaged me asking if I have gotten any resolution, the answer is no as of yet they have stiffed me for the full 18 K and there is no update

[fedex11204]

Honestly moving forward I would probably stay clear from almost every offshore sports book, maybe except bookmaker and obviously pinnacle. Other than that they seem to be very much in trouble first because sports books had a very bad year this year and in addition the competition from the legal books is real and not sure how much longer is offshore books can compete. I have a pretty big balance at another book as well and they are also making issues. They are paying me but slow paying me so like I said stay clear from these offshore sports books

[Crusherrr]

I never really fully trusted First Fidelity, just always seemed shady. The poker room seemed suspect with numerous claims of employee play, casino is one of the worst in the entire industry, too many stipulations on bonuses, CS never on the same page, ETC. but I never thought they wouldn't pay out...this is a new low even for them.

LMAO. The poker room is/has been the softest site I've ever played on in my life. Just not enough action as of late to really play there. If you suspect employee play there anytime in the last like 7 years you have no clue what you're talking about. If there was employee play, they're trying to dump money they're so bad.

[Thefix13]

Honestly moving forward I would probably stay clear from almost every offshore sports book, maybe except bookmaker and obviously pinnacle. Other than that they seem to be very much in trouble first because sports books had a very bad year this year and in addition the competition from the legal books is real and not sure how much longer is offshore books can compete. I have a pretty big balance at another book as well and they are also making issues. They are paying me but slow paying me so like I said stay clear from these offshore sports books

off-shore will do just fine as their odds are notably better and they still offer some perks, even if not as good as they used to be. A bad year might hurt some lower books but the need to gamble by average Joe gamblers will line their pockets again during NBA and March Madness. Still a license to print money for books.

[Yupitzem]

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[Yupitzem]

YouWager Review

For outstanding service, transparent rules, multiple payout options, and professionalism visit YouWager. I’ve had the best results when using YouWager.

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[Steelers05]

+150 limit and straight wagers only on free plays compared to other offshore books with +200 cutoffs and pars up to 3 teams allowed. That’s one of the main gripes I have with YW. Plus they think their bonus offers are unreal when in reality they kind of suck compared to other shops.

[2Sweeet]

+150 limit and straight wagers only on free plays compared to other offshore books with +200 cutoffs and pars up to 3 teams allowed. That’s one of the main gripes I have with YW. Plus they think their bonus offers are unreal when in reality they kind of suck compared to other shops.

The only good thing about YW and BP bonuses back in the day before I got the boot was that they did allow you to cash out winnings, before the rollover was met on most bonuses. No other books did that. Again it's the 2020's of sports gambling. Books offshore have taken a big hit since things became legal. If u put up with it you can't bitch.

[2Sweeet]

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LOL how much did they pay you to post this? A $15 Free play? Is there any update on the Fedex situation?

[fedex11204]

There is no update unfortunately

[stake1]

+150 limit and straight wagers only on free plays compared to other offshore books with +200 cutoffs and pars up to 3 teams allowed. That’s one of the main gripes I have with YW. Plus they think their bonus offers are unreal when in reality they kind of suck compared to other shops.

sure, but if you push a free play at you wager? ya get the damn free play back. Unlike betBotOnline those fukkers if you push on the free play? its a loss
Plus you can very rarely use the free play ay BotOnline on anything less than -$107

[stake1]

There is no update unfortunately

Basically you wager invented a heist, a bs multi account, bs scam concept, in order to get out of paying you the five figure winnings.

This is one of the greatest thefts in offshore history. avoid you wager like the plague fukkk them How in their mind could they be accepting your crypto and zell dep's for eight years, with not a single cc dep, and all of a sudden when your balance hits a high five figs well you are a scammer

[2Sweeet]

Opti has given no update? If this guy didn't do anything wrong I know I can get him paid. Why has no1 updated this case?

[Optional]

Opti has given no update? If this guy didn't do anything wrong I know I can get him paid. Why has no1 updated this case?

I will make a post about this today. Sorry for the delay.

[2Sweeet]

Not a problem sir just don't want anyone getting ripped off if we can prevent it and they are being honest. I trust u more than anyone on these forums.

[Steelers05]

sure, but if you push a free play at you wager? ya get the damn free play back. Unlike betBotOnline those fukkers if you push on the free play? its a loss
Plus you can very rarely use the free play ay BotOnline on anything less than -$107

That's a good point. I think we have all learned the hard way on betting a FP that should be a push/refund only to learn the site's rules after and realizing you got hosed. I make it a point anymore to never even bet something that could result in a push (no 1H ml's, 1Q ml's, etc.).

[Steelers05]

The only good thing about YW and BP bonuses back in the day before I got the boot was that they did allow you to cash out winnings, before the rollover was met on most bonuses. No other books did that. Again it's the 2020's of sports gambling. Books offshore have taken a big hit since things became legal. If u put up with it you can't bitch.

That's a fair point and I think we all anticipated bonus offers would be lowered with the competition from US books. Just wish US books still gave decent bonuses, now we get watered down offers all over ($5 max bets on promos, 25% deposit bonus, max $50, etc.). I realize there are some good perks with US books but honestly I wish they never came onboard, I was perfectly fine with offshore; just my opinion.

[Steelers05]

Another knock on YW is the casino. We all know all offshore casinos are a little suspect but YW takes it to a whole new level. That POS Dante who runs the casino is a real piece of work, may karma find him.

[captrobey]

Another knock on YW is the casino. We all know all offshore casinos are a little suspect but YW takes it to a whole new level. That POS Dante who runs the casino is a real piece of work, may karma find him.

Yea i have both blocked and you are right they are one of the worst. I came to realize if you get a bonus for casino it will let you win even make you think wow i may get a good amount out of this in the end. But remember there is a high roll. At one point when you get to the point about half way of what you need you will all of a sudden start losing nonstop. This is on purpose so you cannot reach the rollover. I had the casino blocked and made the mistake once of taking the bonus again. Worst mistake i could have done. Wasted an hour of my life to get nothing in the end after being up again at first. I blocked it again after that and it has been blocked ever since.

[stake1]

That's a good point. I think we have all learned the hard way on betting a FP that should be a push/refund only to learn the site's rules after and realizing you got hosed. I make it a point anymore to never even bet something that could result in a push (no 1H ml's, 1Q ml's, etc.).

botOnline also has strict rollover rules. Best to educate yourself on them

For example, lets say you took a bonus on $100 with a 6x roll. well then, Mlb bets count 10%, hoket pokey hockey? 5%, and soccer? 2% towards your roll

BotOnline is one of the greatest fraud shops there is. No reputable book reduces rollover requirements on sports like those frazzledrips do

also note, you must personally read that rule its on like page 1,904 of addendum 5c on the sub title 1882 A

[stake1]

Yea i have both blocked and you are right they are one of the worst. I came to realize if you get a bonus for casino it will let you win even make you think wow i may get a good amount out of this in the end. But remember there is a high roll. At one point when you get to the point about half way of what you need you will all of a sudden start losing nonstop. This is on purpose so you cannot reach the rollover. I had the casino blocked and made the mistake once of taking the bonus again. Worst mistake i could have done. Wasted an hour of my life to get nothing in the end after being up again at first. I blocked it again after that and it has been blocked ever since.

man! you dont say! did You Wager steal five figures from you too?

[stake1]

I will make a post about this today. Sorry for the delay.

[2Sweeet]

That's a fair point and I think we all anticipated bonus offers would be lowered with the competition from US books. Just wish US books still gave decent bonuses, now we get watered down offers all over ($5 max bets on promos, 25% deposit bonus, max $50, etc.). I realize there are some good perks with US books but honestly I wish they never came onboard, I was perfectly fine with offshore; just my opinion.

Agree with the watered down USA Bonuses now but I have no clue how they made money at the start? I doubt they did. Remember the bonuses would pay u for the stake also. That was crazy. So a 2k bonus if u bet even money you got 4k back if you won. USA books have gone dry for bonuses if you aren't a new customer. If u do get a decent bonus at least there isn't some crazy rollover only 1X at most shops. USA books are unplayable though when MLB comes around. They really need to fix that , they deal 40 cent lines at points in MLB, that's criminal. Again, agents are the way to go if you no someone. It's all the perks of offshore without any of the bs. I have an agent who has a Heritage skin and it's great. Better lines than Heritage and I don't have to deal with Gabe or any of the bs.

[captrobey]

man! you dont say! did You Wager steal five figures from you too?

Easily if you count everything they did before i ended up blocking them. Now i just stick to sports at BP and YW . I do have to say i have always been paid though . Now if i take a bonus it is always just Sports . Since i blocked casino a ways back i do not have to worry about wasting time in a casino you have no chance in trying to roll over a casino bonus or worse yet winning a nice sports bet and losing it in there.

[2Sweeet]

botOnline also has strict rollover rules. Best to educate yourself on them

For example, lets say you took a bonus on $100 with a 6x roll. well then, Mlb bets count 10%, hoket pokey hockey? 5%, and soccer? 2% towards your roll

BotOnline is one of the greatest fraud shops there is. No reputable book reduces rollover requirements on sports like those frazzledrips do

also note, you must personally read that rule its on like page 1,904 of addendum 5c on the sub title 1882 A

Bet Online pays but the bonuses are laughable and how they calculate them. They do deal a dime line in baseball though. Something most offshore books don't do and no USA book will ever do.

[fedex11204]

For all the guys that are private messaging me as optional said there will be an update when he updates us. I have not gotten paid and so if I did, I obviously would’ve posted it on the thread.

[stake1]

good luck fedex. hoping yw-ff does the right thing

[BigBlueNYG]

Youwager has the worst customer service by a longshot.

Their bonuses are absolute ass, they used to lef you cash out winnings early making that the only reason worth playing there. Haven’t used them in years , when Covid started I made a deposit when I was off work and bored to bet on one of the Madden Live Streams (I know, degen action) and during the first half of the stream the feed went black . I called Wagering to report the issue so they could check it out to, they confirmed stream was out , but said they couldn’t cancel the wager. They also didn’t handle their removal of the loyalty points program correctly, hope you get paid but they are some rude assholes

[captrobey]

Youwager has the worst customer service by a longshot.

Their bonuses are absolute ass, they used to lef you cash out winnings early making that the only reason worth playing there. Haven’t used them in years , when Covid started I made a deposit when I was off work and bored to bet on one of the Madden Live Streams (I know, degen action) and during the first half of the stream the feed went black . I called Wagering to report the issue so they could check it out to, they confirmed stream was out , but said they couldn’t cancel the wager. They also didn’t handle their removal of the loyalty points program correctly, hope you get paid but they are some rude assholes

I have had better luck with my rep at times going on live chat is a pain. But i have been paid all the times i have done a cashout the last one i did was for $4000 so they do pay. And i know i have gotten some bonuses with no hold or still able to cash out winnings. There is one on there now at 80% FP no hold that is not too bad .

[ErwinTym]

I deposited 900$ placed a few bets and won like 800$,got my account suspended and was asked to upload ID+selfie with Id+ selfie with id and the date,then they asked for another selfie with id and another selfie with date and selfie.Spoke to them 4 times,only for that manager Kevin to tell me:Yea we are not paying you out you know why.Stay away from these crooks!

[GreatestGatsby]

I deposited 900$ placed a few bets and won like 800$,got my account suspended and was asked to upload ID+selfie with Id+ selfie with id and the date,then they asked for another selfie with id and another selfie with date and selfie.Spoke to them 4 times,only for that manager Kevin to tell me:Yea we are not paying you out you know why.Stay away from these crooks!

this sounds made up

[Optional]

I will make a post about this today. Sorry for the delay.

Again, apologies for the delay. I was waiting on some info.



Just to reiterate, SBR does not offer mediation services for non US/CA licensed bookmakers. So my interest here was to backup our long time poster and question if Youwager should be allowed to be continued to be posted about on SBR.


I believe that Fedex has initiated at least four different charge back incidents, involving a dozen or more different card deposits, against at least 3 different books. Others are alleged but I believe that is what can be reasonably confirmed. Where this involves Youwager, the total is close to $8000 owed.

I am willing to accept that most, or all, of these were made for "reasonable" reasons and are not proof positive of a pattern of intentional scamming. But there are more than enough for that suspicion to not be out of line as well.

Fedex can make a good argument that only this confirmed amount should be deducted from his balance.


I now accept that Youwager genuinely believe this is malicious and intentional activity and have valid reasons for suspecting that. Youwager believe this is far more widespread. I am not convinced of that, I still think Youwager are probably mistaken about the extra 10+ accounts, but do acknowledge that VCO is not just making up allegations.

Youwager's position is that Fedex has been caught defrauding them and has been paid out more than he has deposited over the accounts lives, therefore they owe him no more.

I understand this reaction but do not consider it completely justifiable when much of it remains suspicion.


I hope that VCO will reach out to Fedex privately and come up with a mutually satisfactory solution but prefer to have no more involvement in this matter ongoing.

[teacher10]

Thanks Optional for your work. " at least four different charge back incidents". Damn.

It seems like Fedex was finally caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

[Optional]

Thanks Optional for your work. " at least four different charge back incidents". Damn.

It seems like Fedex was finally caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

I did mean what I said about accepting they could all be reasonable. Some are for sure.

You do need to have a very open mind to accept that about them all. But it is a genuine possibility.

[2Sweeet]

Hmmmm?